Enough farting around on Iran & Nukes

[Goober]

Is that their new spin to explain the million+ Palestinian refugees that used to live inside Israel? lol they were all international criminals at heart.

My comment indicated that Israel will never give up an Israeli to any country or any court. They alone are above the Laws the rest of the world are held accountable for.

Doodering Man

How many countries do not extradite their citizens -

I am not positive but Russia for one - Used to be a hell of a lot in South America - France only to a few -

But Israel - Back on that Jew thing again - such a single minded simple minded way to live.

 

[MHz]

WOW I just looked it up, lol, just about everybody has the same policy. It wasn't meant to be a Jewish thing, the reason they were singled out is because it is their politicians being targeted for war-crime warrants. When Israel is after war criminals extradition means squat, deny it and they just kidnap them. Pretty much any country should do the same.

 

[Goober]

WOW I just looked it up, lol, just about everybody has the same policy. It wasn't meant to be a Jewish thing, the reason they were singled out is because it is their politicians being targeted for war-crime warrants. When Israel is after war criminals extradition means squat, deny it and they just kidnap them. Pretty much any country should do the same.

Doodering Man

So what countries do not have extradition treaties -

Please recall the President of Sudan was indicted for War Crimes, Rape, Murder and other foul crimes against humanity -

He promptly went on a tour of Arab countries who stated explicitly that they would not honor the War Crimes warrant for arrest -

Are you that far gone that these do nor register - or is it only Jews that are on your hit list

Could be classed as racist now couldn't it. Waiting for the denial., self denial that is.

 

[Goober]

WOW I just looked it up, lol, just about everybody has the same policy. It wasn't meant to be a Jewish thing, the reason they were singled out is because it is their politicians being targeted for war-crime warrants. When Israel is after war criminals extradition means squat, deny it and they just kidnap them. Pretty much any country should do the same.

Doodering Man

So what countries do not have extradition treaties - Please recall the President of Sudan was indicted for War Crimes, Rape, Murder and other foul crimes against humanity - He promptly went on a tour of Arab countries who stated explicitly that they would not honor the War Crimes warrant for arrest -

Are you that far gone that these do nor register - or is it only Jews that are on your hit list - Could be classed as racist now couldn't it. Witing for the denial., self denial that is.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_countries_have_no_extradition_treaties_with_the_United_States

Which countries have no extradition treaties with the United States?BhutanBotswanaBruneiBurkina FasoBurundiCambodiaCameroonCanada (Canada maintains an extradition treaty with the caveat that any persons extradited will not be subject to the death penalty. The Conservative government under Stephen Harper reversed this position, but the Supreme Court of Canada has placed this reversal in a state of legal uncertainty.) Cape VerdeCentral African RepublicChadChinaComorosDjiboutiEquatorial GuineaEthiopiaGabonGuineaGuinea BissauIndonesiaIranIvory CoastJordanKuwaitLaosLebanonLibyaMadagascarMaliMaldivesMauritaniaMongoliaMoroccoMozambiqueNepalNigerOmanPhilippinesQatarRwandaSamoaSao Tome e PrincipeSaudi ArabiaSenegalSomaliaSudanSyriaTogoTunisiaUgandaSoviet UnionUnited Arab EmiratesVanuatuVietnamYemenYemen SouthZaire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition

The consensus in international law is that a state does not have any obligation to surrender an alleged criminal to a foreign state as one principle of sovereignty is that every state has legal authority over the people within its borders. Such absence of international obligation and the desire of the right to demand such criminals of other countries have caused a web of extradition treaties or agreements to evolve; most countries in the world have signed bilateral extradition treaties with most other countries. No country in the world has an extradition treaty with all other countries; for example, the United States lacks extradition treaties with several nations, including the People's Republic of China, Namibia, and North Korea.


http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Archive/Communiques/1995/EXTRADITION%20IN%20ISRAEL
Irit Kohn, DirectorDept. of International Affairs,Ministry of Justice

Extradition in Israel is governed by the Extradition Law, regulations and court decisions. International customary law applies only insofar as it is compatible with Israeli law and insofar as it has been incorporated into the body of that law.Israel is signatory to one multilateral extradition treaty, the European Convention on Extradition, having signed in September, 1967. Israel has concluded seven bilateral treaties including treaties with Australia, Belgium, Canada, Fiji, South Africa, Swaziland and the United States.Passive Extradition: Extradition from Israel Requested by a Foreign CountrySection 1 of the Extradition Law lays down the general principle that a person found in Israel shall not be extradited to another country except under the provisions of the Extradition Law. In order to institute extradition proceedings, the first step is to secure the presence of the person sought, either by provisional or full arrest.

 

[Cliffy]

Are you that far gone that these do nor register - or is it only Jews that are on your hit list - Could be classed as racist now couldn't it.

Most comments aimed at Iran could be considered racist buy that logic. Supporting Jews against all others, putting them above the law, can also be considered racism. I think most people calling for Israel to held accountable are just trying to counter ballance the hate being spewed at Iran.

 

[Goober]

Most comments aimed at Iran could be considered racist buy that logic. Supporting Jews against all others, putting them above the law, can also be considered racism. I think most people calling for Israel to held accountable are just trying to counter ballance the hate being spewed at Iran.

Cliffy

Only those that support Israel blindly - then you may have a point -

What we have here in a number of posts is how some overlook the mass murders, executions, rapes, torture of the Theological Thugs in Iran -

Then those that always condemn one for less than the other who has murdered more is or could be classed as a racist

 

[Cliffy]

I would also include the CIA and the Pentagon as the world's greatest thugs. I'm sure you wouldn't have to look too far to include the FBI and some members of the RCMP. I have really seen no credible evidence that Iran is any worse than the US or Israel, Russia, China or any number of other countries we are ignoring. When Iran is singled out I see red flags. It is selective and therefore hateful. I rail against all injustice, violence and war. But it would seem that is what it is to be human - barbarians. I think Mamma is starting to set the record straight. The meek shall inherit the earth.

 

[petros]

Petros
I wonder how many member of Hamas and Hezbollah also should have warrant for war crimes - Funny how they only single out Jews -

Makes a man wonder, it do makes a man wonder.

They aren't being singled out Goobs. A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist whether Heeb or Muzzie.

If the 6.3 million a day in aid that goes to Israel went to help Palestine rebuild all the bulldozed homes on stolen land would there be 18 dead over 8 years from those evil Hamas rockets?

 

[petros]

Goobs. When they aren't arrested at the airport but snuck into a nation does that make the nation that aids the war criminals guilty of obstructing justice? Does that show total disregard for the laws and people of that nation or is it okay because they are helping Zionists who are obviously criminals if a judge feels a warrant is justified and issued it?

 

[petros]

I would also include the CIA and the Pentagon as the world's greatest thugs. I'm sure you wouldn't have to look too far to include the FBI and some members of the RCMP. I have really seen no credible evidence that Iran is any worse than the US or Israel, Russia, China or any number of other countries we are ignoring. When Iran is singled out I see red flags. It is selective and therefore hateful. I rail against all injustice, violence and war. But it would seem that is what it is to be human - barbarians. I think Mamma is starting to set the record straight. The meek shall inherit the earth.

Cliffy it's a sad sad reality when the worst possible thing for the US economy is peace. They'd never be able to manage on oranges and porn as chief exports if there were no arms.

 

[Cliffy]

Cliffy it's a sad sad reality when the worst possible thing for the US economy is peace. They'd never be able to manage on oranges and porn as chief exports if there were no arms.

Without war the entire world economy would collapse. I may rail against it but am resigned to human stupidity not changing any time soon.

 

[MHz]

The good news is that when you have nothing to do you only need one mean a day, that's about it for that side of the coin. The other side is a multi-page post and you need a security clearance. No matter what you will read FEMA camps do not have broadband in every room.

 

[Cliffy]

The good news is that when you have nothing to do you only need one mean a day, that's about it for that side of the coin. The other side is a multi-page post and you need a security clearance. No matter what you will read FEMA camps do not have broadband in every room.

Do you have your reservation booked? I hear if you book early you might get preferential treatment. The ones who are forced to go will suffer the most.

 

[petros]

Do you have your reservation booked? I hear if you book early you might get preferential treatment. The ones who are forced to go will suffer the most.

We've all got one booked Cliffy. You'll get your information package with your local mustering station shortly.

 

[Spade]

We've all got one booked Cliffy. You'll get your information package with your local mustering station shortly.

Love mustarding stations!

 

[petros]

Love mustard? Sounds pretty kinky.

 

[Francis2004]

Cliffy it's a sad sad reality when the worst possible thing for the US economy is peace. They'd never be able to manage on oranges and porn as chief exports if there were no arms.

You got that right..

Bit which segment of the population would suffer most ? Isn't a great part of the porn industry from the US and it biggest market ?

 

[earth_as_one]

EAO
Welcome back - Iran has not occupied any countries - correct -

How many people has Iran executed since MHZ's Theological Thugs came to power - I

Isreal aquired them in a rather covert way - To late to turn that back.

Do you trust Iran with Nuclear weapons - think about the fanatics and divisions within the Govt - and how hard would it be to make a couple of really dirty bombs - then what the West's reaction would be.

Iran with nukes will begin another arms race for nuke capability with other Arab countries. And that is the reality -

A Nuke Arms race in the Mid East - scares the bejesus out of me and a lot of people - and a lot of Sunni's.

I don't trust any country with nuclear weapons, least of all countries with clear records of committing war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Perhaps you can list Iran's recent war crimes and crimes against humanity? I'll list recent Israeli and US war crimes and crimes against humanity for comparison.

For the last 60 years, Israel has persecuted millions of people. Claims regarding Iran's alleged nuclear program remain unproven and this is just a diversion from reporting and taking action against real crimes committed by Israel with the unshakable support of Canada's Prime Minister.

Thanks to the concerted efforts of the world community, Palestinians have no nationality and as a result... no rights. For over 60 years now, Israel has abused these people, denied them basic human rights and its only getting worse.

Everyone should read this report and take a look in the mirror.

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/docs/UNFFMGC_Report.pdf

An excerpt:

...Attacks on the foundations of civilian life in Gaza: destruction of industrial
infrastructure, food production, water installations, sewage treatment and housing

50. The Mission investigated several incidents involving the destruction of industrial
infrastructure, food production, water installations, sewage treatment and housing (Chapter
XIII). Already at the beginning of the military operations, the Al Bader flour mill was the only
flour mill in the Gaza Strip still operating. The flour mill was hit by a series of air strikes on 9
January 2009 after several false warnings had been issued on previous days. The Mission finds
that its destruction had no military justification. The nature of the strikes, in particular the precise
targeting of crucial machinery, suggests that the intention was to disable the factory in terms of
its productive capacity. From the facts it ascertained, the Mission finds that there has been a
violation of the grave breaches provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Unlawful and
wanton destruction which is not justified by military necessity amounts to a war crime. The
Mission also finds that the destruction of the mill was carried out for the purposes of denying
sustenance to the civilian population, which is a violation of customary international law and

A/HRC/12/48
page 18

may constitute a war crime. The strike on the flour mill further constitutes a violation of human
rights provisions regarding the right to adequate food and means of subsistence.

51. The chicken farms of Mr. Sameh Sawafeary in the Zeitoun neighbourhood south of Gaza
City reportedly supplied over 10 per cent of the Gaza egg market. Armoured bulldozers of the
Israeli forces systematically flattened the chicken coops, killing all 31,000 chickens inside, and
destroyed the plant and material necessary for the business. The Mission concludes that this was
a deliberate act of wanton destruction not justified by any military necessity and draws the same
legal conclusions as in the case of the destruction of the flour mill.

52. Israeli forces also carried out a strike against a wall of one of the raw sewage lagoons of the
Gaza Waste Water Treatment Plant, which caused the outflow of more than 200,000 cubic
metres of raw sewage into neighbouring farmland. The circumstances of the strike on the lagoon
suggest that it was deliberate and premeditated. The Namar Wells complex in Jabalya consisted
of two water wells, pumping machines, a generator, fuel storage, a reservoir chlorination unit,
buildings and related equipment. All were destroyed by multiple air strikes on the first day of the
Israeli aerial attack. The Mission considers it unlikely that a target the size of the Namar Wells
could have been hit by multiple strikes in error. It found no grounds to suggest that there was any
military advantage to be had by hitting the wells and noted that there was no suggestion that
Palestinian armed groups had used the wells for any purpose. Considering that the right to
drinking water is part of the right to adequate food, the Mission makes the same legal findings as
in the case of the Al Bader flour mill.

53. During its visits to the Gaza Strip, the Mission witnessed the extent of the destruction of
residential housing caused by air strikes, mortar and artillery shelling, missile strikes, the
operation of bulldozers and demolition charges. In some cases, residential neighbourhoods were
subjected to air-launched bombing and to intensive shelling apparently in the context of the
advance of Israeli ground forces. In other cases, the facts gathered by the Mission strongly
suggest that the destruction of housing was carried out in the absence of any link to combat
engagements with Palestinian armed groups or any other effective contribution to military action.
Combining the results of its own fact finding on the ground with UNOSAT imagery and the
published testimonies of Israeli soldiers, the Mission concludes that, in addition to the extensive
destruction of housing for so-called “operational necessity” during their advance, the Israeli

A/HRC/12/48
page 19

forces engaged in another wave of systematic destruction of civilian buildings during the last
three days of their presence in Gaza, aware of the imminence of withdrawal. The conduct of the
Israeli forces in this respect violated the principle of distinction between civilian and military
objects and amounted to the grave breach of “extensive destruction … of property, not justified
by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly”. Israeli forces further violated the
right to adequate housing of the families concerned.

54. The attacks on industrial facilities, food production and water infrastructure investigated by
the Mission are part of a broader pattern of destruction, which includes the destruction of the
only cement packaging plant in Gaza (the Atta Abu Jubbah plant), the Abu Eida factories for
ready-mix concrete, further chicken farms and the Al Wadia Group’s foods and drinks factories.
The facts ascertained by the Mission indicate that there was a deliberate and systematic policy on
the part of the Israeli armed forces to target industrial sites and water installations.

10. The use of Palestinian civilians as human shields

55. The Mission investigated four incidents in which Israeli forces coerced Palestinian civilian
men at gun point to take part in house searches during the military operations (Chapter XIV).
The Palestinian men were blindfolded and handcuffed as they were forced to enter houses ahead
of the Israeli soldiers. In one of the incidents, Israeli forces repeatedly forced a man to enter a
house in which Palestinian combatants were hiding. Published testimonies of Israeli soldiers who
took part in the military operations confirm the continued use of this practice, in spite of clear
orders from Israel’s High Court to the armed forces to put an end to it and repeated public
assurances from the armed forces that the practice had been discontinued. The Mission
concludes that this practice amounts to the use of Palestinian civilians as human shields and is
therefore prohibited by international humanitarian law. It puts the right to life of the civilians at
risk in an arbitrary and unlawful manner and constitutes cruel and inhuman treatment. The use of
human shields also is a war crime. The Palestinian men used as human shields were questioned
under threat of death or injury to extract information about Hamas, Palestinian combatants and
tunnels. This constitutes a further violation of international humanitarian law....

...the Mission believes that Israel has
violated its obligation to allow free passage of all consignments of medical and hospital objects,
food and clothing (article 23 of the Fourth Geneva Convention). The Mission also finds that
Israel violated specific obligations it has as Occupying Power spelled out in the Fourth Geneva
Convention, such as the duty to maintain medical and hospital establishments and services and to
agree to relief schemes if the occupied territory is not well supplied.

73. The Mission also concludes that in the destruction by Israeli armed forces of private
residential houses, water wells, water tanks, agricultural land and greenhouses there was a
specific purpose of denying them for their sustenance to the population of the Gaza Strip. The
Mission finds that Israel violated its duty to respect the right of the Gaza population to an
adequate standard of living, including access to adequate food, water and housing. The Mission
moreover finds violations of specific human rights provisions protecting the rights of children,
particularly those who are victims of armed conflict, women and the disabled.

74. The conditions of life in Gaza, resulting from deliberate actions of the Israeli forces and the
declared policies of the Government of Israel – as they were presented by its authorized and
legitimate representatives - with regard to the Gaza Strip before, during and after the military
operation, cumulatively indicate the intention to inflict collective punishment on the people of
the Gaza Strip in violation of international humanitarian law.

75. Finally, the Mission considered whether the series of acts that deprive Palestinians in the
Gaza Strip of their means of sustenance, employment, housing and water, that deny their
freedom of movement and their right to leave and enter their own country, that limit their access
a court of law and an effective remedy, could amount to persecution, a crime against humanity.

A/HRC/12/48
page 25

From the facts available to it, the Mission is of the view that some of the actions of the
Government of Israel might justify a competent court finding that crimes against humanity have
been committed....

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/docs/UNFFMGC_Report.pdf

Israel has persecuted the people who had the misfortune of living on land they claim God gave to Jews for 60 years now.

Hardly a peep in the news about Israel's ongoing crime against humanity. Instead our news tries to divert our attention, with holocaust stories from over 60 years ago. Even a stolen sign gets far more coverage than Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Canadians turned their backs on Jews fleeing Nazi Europe in the 1930's and 40's, because we were blatantly anti-Semitic back then. But we haven't changed much. We are just as guilty now of ignoring injustice and oppression as we were back then. The only difference is the persecuted call themselves Palestinians.

Goober, please explain why you support the persecution of Palestinians as well as Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity...

 

[MHz]

Love mustard? Sounds pretty kinky.

I believe they liberally rub the mustard into your eyes, that way water-boarding is a relief rather than a stress inducer.

 

[petros]

and how hard would it be to make a couple of really dirty bombs

2 parts mud 1 part TNT

Goober dirty bombs are NOT a threat. Radioactive materials aren't exactly pyrophoric unless in a friable state.

Mr Peanut on the other hand has killed 141 X more Zionists than Hamas rockets in the same time frame. If peanut allergies kill 141 times more than rockets then I'd have to say the rocket thing is really really a pathetic excuse to blatantly slaughter children in school.

Apparently the easiest and most effective way to kill Zionists is to throw peanuts at them. Rockets don't even come close to the peanut threat.