Dump these turkeys: tougher drug stance

[Nuggler]

What Creepy Clement is proposing is a "War on Drugs" a la USA.

Great stuff.

It's worked so well there...................


I smell an election:roll:

.:banghead:

 

[TomG]

It might be good for some to brush up on some old fashion social contract philosophy for some fresh old ideas. Governments exist to administer the contract. Laws are administrative mechanic, and laws don’t possess any inherent moral or ethical worthy. A GOVERNMENT ADMINISTERS THE CONTRACT, IT DOESN’T CREATE RIGHT AND WRONG.

The system isn’t on anybody’s side. Nobody’s wants, desires or values have any particular worth except to themselves. In particular, nobody owns their tax payments or has any call to influence how taxes used. Taxes are a payment to maintain the contract. The only thing we do own in the system is that single puny (and largely illusionary) claim to freedom known as the vote. Nobody has claim on the use of my physical person.

Contracts are at least two sided, and can be broken by bad behaviour by any party. For example, the contract may be broken by too many people who cheer on our cowardly bullying leaders who promise to recreate the world in their own images. The contract in effect becomes null and void for any person who considers the terms are broken beyond repair. Social order then is maintained by the violence of police state operatives. That is in fact the conditions under which much of the world lives: Rights and freedom only exist when the dictator isn’t paying attention.

Go ahead mr/ms anyperson, confuse personal values and fashion with right and wrong, and then elect politicians who tell you they’ll do everything you want and make things right. Forget about live and let live. Get greedy with your personal tastes and impose them on everybody else. If I find, for example, that the contract is broken, then I am the one that has freedom since then abiding by society’s rules and laws offers me no advantage. In such circumstances everybody else can pay the bills to police how I choose to exercise my freedom. Go ahead, elect a such a government, try it, you’ll like it. You'll have coast to coast prisons and the para-military industry will become the largest employer. Me, in the example, might love it. I could dispense with the pretenses required of supposed civilized persons.

Maybe, before I die, I want to be an outlaw when I grow up. Whoopy hi ki oh. Then, I won’t even have to use advebs when I talk. Ah freedom! No adverbs! If I can’t be an outlaw when I grow up then maybe I could be a communist and do unto others as I wish done to me. Electing thugs to recreate the world in my image isn’t the do unto others bit as I imagine it. The contract may be stressed to the breaking point. This being a citizen business can be the pits. Cause I now know that:



Buffalo Bill's
defunct
who used to
ride a watersmooth-silver
stallion
and break onetwothreefourfive pigeons justlikethat
Jesus
he was a handsome man
and what I want to know is
how do you like your blue-eyed boy
Mister Death

ee cummings

 

[darkbeaver]

*shrug* the economics and mafia stuff doesnt enter the equation for me actually, although Im sure you are correct. For me, it's just a matter of "do we need these things?" and the answer is no. Nobody needs alcohol, tobacco or non-medicinal marijuana.

The fastest path to anarchy would begin with the elimination by the pure of my life-support web. While there are those who advocate abstinance over the course of several tens of thousands of years thier opinion has been debunked definativly and demonstratably, in fact it's a body of science,a vindication of evolution. If I wish to form a molecular bond with cannibis against the wishes of a facsist government, I will.:smile:

 

[darkbeaver]

*shrug* the economics and mafia stuff doesnt enter the equation for me actually, although Im sure you are correct. For me, it's just a matter of "do we need these things?" and the answer is no. Nobody needs alcohol, tobacco or non-medicinal marijuana.

The fastest path to anarchy would begin with the elimination by the pure of my life-support web. While there are those who advocate abstinance, an idiot idea from the dim past, over the course of several tens of thousands of years thier opinion has been debunked definativly and demonstratably, in fact that body of science now exists as a vindication of evolution. If I wish to form a molecular bond with cannibis against the wishes of a facsist government, I will. Mr. Harper seems to believe his god is stronger than mine. Purple Cobequid Haze will prevail. The acolytes of Friedman will be crushed like a roach.:smile:

 

[Just the Facts]

*shrug* the economics and mafia stuff doesnt enter the equation for me actually, although Im sure you are correct. For me, it's just a matter of "do we need these things?" and the answer is no. Nobody needs alcohol, tobacco or non-medicinal marijuana.

We also don't need skiing, potato chips and movies. Lets criminalize those, too. Not to mention posting in online forums....carpal tunnel costs society a bundle!

 

[darkbeaver]

We also don't need skiing, potato chips and movies. Lets criminalize those, too. Not to mention posting in online forums....carpal tunnel costs society a bundle!

Hallow, J.T.of F. Very nice to see you have survived your infirmity.:smile: just kidding ha/hacough/cough

 

[Just the Facts]

Hallow, J.T.of F. Very nice to see you have survived your infirmity.:smile: just kidding ha/hacough/cough

Good word!! You've been doing some reading!

How are things on the dark side? :smile:

 

[darkbeaver]

Good word!! You've been doing some reading!

How are things on the dark side? :smile:

Very nice indeed, the bears have not eaten me and the soil of the eastern Cobequids have bestowed thier abundance once again. The harvest is bountiful, if not in quality but surly in quality. I have been reading, it's fun.:smile:

 

[Colpy]

Colpy

We do offer health care as a benefit in Canada but the costs are something we try to control. Our health care system shouldn't be abused by any of us. The seatbelt laws are perfectly reasonable. If you don't wear your seat belt and as a result you receive an injury that costs a hundred and forty thousand dollars to fix, is that fair to the rest of us who do wear out seat belts? "Liberty" doesn't include making others pay for your mistakes.

I do wear seatbelts, and I did wear them before it became mandatory. The only time I didn't wear them was the four or five years right after the laws came in.

My wife claims getting me to do anything requires much child psychology.

Seriously, though, how far are you willing to take that? Should I have been denied a heart operation because I was overweight and used to smoke heavily?

Should cigarettes be banned?

Should fatty foods be banned?

How about All Terrain vehicles?

Mountain climbing?

Sky diving?

The gov't can not, in any way, make life safe, and they use ANY excuse to accumulate power. I simply don't like the "I'm paying for your healthcare" line. I consider it to be a rather flimsy excuse to tell me what to do with my own body, property, and free time.

The polity already has too much power, thanks.

 

[Colpy]

Very nice indeed, the bears have not eaten me and the soil of the eastern Cobequids have bestowed thier abundance once again. The harvest is bountiful, if not in quality but surly in quality. I have been reading, it's fun.:smile:

What the hell have you been reading, the dictionary???

 

[#juan]

I do wear seatbelts, and I did wear them before it became mandatory. The only time I didn't wear them was the four or five years right after the laws came in.

My wife claims getting me to do anything requires much child psychology.

Seriously, though, how far are you willing to take that? Should I have been denied a heart operation because I was overweight and used to smoke heavily?

Of course not. I smoked for thirty years. In light of the information available today, it is hard to fathom why anyone still smokes.

Should cigarettes be banned?

Likely a good idea but impossible to implement.

Should fatty foods be banned?

How about All Terrain vehicles?

ATVs and snowmobiles need to be used with a lot more responsibility. In Manitoba there are fools who run deer until they collapse.

Mountain climbing?

Sky diving?

The gov't can not, in any way, make life safe, and they use ANY excuse to accumulate power. I simply don't like the "I'm paying for your healthcare" line. I consider it to be a rather flimsy excuse to tell me what to do with my own body, property, and free time.

We all pay for your health care and my health care. We should all be doing what we can to make it work. I know how addictive cigarettes are....Before I managed to quit for good, I must have quit several dozen times.:smile:

 

[darkbeaver]

What the hell have you been reading, the dictionary???

No Comrade Colpy. The Cobiquid connection has expanded my CB2 receptors, and my brain is running on both cylinders for awhile.:smile:

 

[Nuggler]

. In Manitoba there are fools who run deer until they collapse."quote '

I would collapse in about 30 meters (yards); whatever.

Juan:::8O?? Why are you choosing to use the autopsy form of posting, heretofor only used by one who has dismayed us all by his leaving, just as he did by his coming.?(second coming) And, we are not referring to Christ.

Those annoying little squares, wherein lie the words of the people you intend to autopsy. (not a complete sentence I know, emotion has taken over:-()

Egad sir, we thought better of you. You who once became unstrained by the surly bounds of earth and yadayadayada, and used full paragraph form of communication.

Next thing we know, you will become a proselyte of the "neokkkkons", and disappear up your own anus in a puff of smoke. This would break our "collective" hearts (sorry for the pun).

Come on Juan, you can do it....................................PARAGRAPHS.

(thank you)

Nuggler:read2:

 

[jwmcq625]

Sweet Jesus but these guys are out of touch with reality!

Our refusal to admit the culture-destroying failure of the prohibition on drugs is bewildering; billions spent, hundreds of thousands of lives destroyed by thuggish policing, pointless prosecutions and unnecessary incarceration, the creation of an entire new criminal class and the corruption of entire countries is unforgivable.

What I want to do with my body is my business.

Pangloss.

Actually no it isn't just your business, especially if you are ingesting a substance that is not only illegal in Canada, but the legalization would make Canada in further in violation of a treaty the Liberals signed with the U.N. on illicit drugs. Having the safe injection site in Vancouver is already in violation of that treaty, and we have the same nutcases who are proponents of expanding it's use to include the provision of crack-cocaine pipes, and the allowability to smoke their crack in this place.

It is the Liberals and the NDP who always haul out the U.N card whenever they want to score some political points against the Conservatives, but it was the Liberals who signed the U.N. Treaty to fight the use of ALL illicit drugs, and marijuana is included as one of those illicit drugs. You can't have it both ways and allow those who don't want to obey the law to break it as they see fit just because they don't happen to like the law as it is written, and expect the rest of us to adhere to the laws the rest of us don't like. For instance I don't like the fact that the CRTC crams mediocre Canadian talent down our throats, I don't like being stopped by the police for speeding, and I especially don't like it that we arrest drunk drivers, while we allow people to operate a motor vehicle stoned on grass.

A society cannot pick and choose which laws they want to obey, because if we allow that we may just as well get rid of the laws, get rid of the police, dismiss the judiciary, close prisons, and just allow the country to go back to a "Wild West" scenario, where there was no law, and people could do pretty much as they pleased. As society developed it became necessary for all of the above to ensure the safety of society. Without is we will need to stay in our houses, and hope that nobody decides to break in and rob us. That is especially scary since the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc want all guns confiscated, and that will mean that the only people who will be armed will be the police, criminals, and the military. The military I'm not so sure of, because if you listen to the above mentioned political parties, they want our troops to go into hostile territory with a white flag, and do construction and humanitarian work, while hoping that the enemy doesn't decide to shoot.

 

[darkbeaver]

While my military is in Afghanistan why can't they use the opium to pay for the war/reconstruction project like everybody else? We must be the only military/crime syndicate that dosen't. Or do we?
How much of Canadas war effort is payed for with my taxes when it could be paid for in drug money and the potholes could be addressed at the same time. Why do we have to win the war in Afghanistan to get the waiting times down for surgery?

 

[#juan]

. In Manitoba there are fools who run deer until they collapse."quote '

I would collapse in about 30 meters (yards); whatever.

Juan:::8O?? Why are you choosing to use the autopsy form of posting, heretofor only used by one who has dismayed us all by his leaving, just as he did by his coming.?(second coming) And, we are not referring to Christ.

Those annoying little squares, wherein lie the words of the people you intend to autopsy. (not a complete sentence I know, emotion has taken over:-()

Egad sir, we thought better of you. You who once became unstrained by the surly bounds of earth and yadayadayada, and used full paragraph form of communication.

Next thing we know, you will become a proselyte of the "neokkkkons", and disappear up your own anus in a puff of smoke. This would break our "collective" hearts (sorry for the pun).

Come on Juan, you can do it....................................PARAGRAPHS.

(thank you)

Nuggler:read2:

First, guilty as charged.

The only case of snowmobiles and ATVs
running deer I knew about personally, was in Manitoba, so that is what you got....Sorry

Re the form of my post: I don't often use that boxy method and it probably shows. I too prefer a nicely written paragraph to sarcastic one liners but some days it isn't there. Sorry.

It has been a few years since I slipped those surly bonds in anything but an Air Canada winged bus. That makes me sorry for me.:smile:

I will try to do better...:smile:....

 

[Unforgiven]

Actually no it isn't just your business, especially if you are ingesting a substance that is not only illegal in Canada, but the legalization would make Canada in further in violation of a treaty the Liberals signed with the U.N. on illicit drugs. Having the safe injection site in Vancouver is already in violation of that treaty, and we have the same nutcases who are proponents of expanding it's use to include the provision of crack-cocaine pipes, and the allowability to smoke their crack in this place.

It is the Liberals and the NDP who always haul out the U.N card whenever they want to score some political points against the Conservatives, but it was the Liberals who signed the U.N. Treaty to fight the use of ALL illicit drugs, and marijuana is included as one of those illicit drugs. You can't have it both ways and allow those who don't want to obey the law to break it as they see fit just because they don't happen to like the law as it is written, and expect the rest of us to adhere to the laws the rest of us don't like. For instance I don't like the fact that the CRTC crams mediocre Canadian talent down our throats, I don't like being stopped by the police for speeding, and I especially don't like it that we arrest drunk drivers, while we allow people to operate a motor vehicle stoned on grass.

A society cannot pick and choose which laws they want to obey, because if we allow that we may just as well get rid of the laws, get rid of the police, dismiss the judiciary, close prisons, and just allow the country to go back to a "Wild West" scenario, where there was no law, and people could do pretty much as they pleased. As society developed it became necessary for all of the above to ensure the safety of society. Without is we will need to stay in our houses, and hope that nobody decides to break in and rob us. That is especially scary since the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc want all guns confiscated, and that will mean that the only people who will be armed will be the police, criminals, and the military. The military I'm not so sure of, because if you listen to the above mentioned political parties, they want our troops to go into hostile territory with a white flag, and do construction and humanitarian work, while hoping that the enemy doesn't decide to shoot.

Again someone who doesn't understand the difference between doing something to yourself and doing something to someone else.

You don't have to watch Canadian television so it's not exactly crammed down your throat. If foreign productions were available but not allowed at all, then that would be forcing Canadian television down your throat. Speeding and drunk drivers kill people. Smoking weed doesn't kill anyone.

While gun violence is out of control in Toronto, the only thing politicians have on their minds is busting high school kids smoking pot. If that doesn't tell you these guys are out of touch and pandering to the radical authoritarian base nothing will.

Responsible behaviour is taught.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

While gun violence is out of control in Toronto, the only thing politicians have on their minds is busting high school kids smoking pot. If that doesn't tell you these guys are out of touch and pandering to the radical authoritarian base nothing will.

this is just not so...i would dare you to show something ..anything ..even like Sun newspaper comic relief pertaining to this statement....

sorry but i can't just let this ride / / /

 

[Nuggler]

Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, ok.


:lol::lol:

Oh, MACHINES doing the running. Thought it was people running till they dropped. As in, the people dropped. ................awww never mind.!!! I know you got it.

Ya, slipped the surly bonds. That;s the word.........slipped...........my bad.........sorry.

Now we're both sorry.

See.

No point to my ramblings at all is there?

Time for bed.

 

[Avro]

One way to see if a war on drugs strategy works is look to the south and see billions poured into something that fills jails while increasing drug use.

Typical con nonsense.:roll: