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countryboy

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I would like to but I don't want to get ridiculed or incite a riot as that is not what i'm about or trying to do but you know how sarcastic and defensive people can get in this forum. I'm just trying to inspire conversation about what we think is a democracy and what can we do as 'the People' to express ourselves and be heard, and how can we be active as a democratic people in a way that doesn't break any laws or get anyone hurt.

Ridiculed? Here? Nah, you must be thinkin' of some other place! :lol:

OK, you might run into the odd disparaging remark but as my Granny used to say, "Consider the source." If it's downright rude, crude, and mean, ignore it. Ain't worth nuthin', and most especially not your time to reply to it.

For what it's worth, I think you're talking good sense here and I would like to see it blossom into a basket of bountiful ideas that could benefit all of us. And don't forget, some of the one-liners can be quite entertaining too! A little chuckle now and then is good for the soul.

:canada:
 

Colpy

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I would like to but I don't want to get ridiculed or incite a riot as that is not what i'm about or trying to do but you know how sarcastic and defensive people can get in this forum. I'm just trying to inspire conversation about what we think is a democracy and what can we do as 'the People' to express ourselves and be heard, and how can we be active as a democratic people in a way that doesn't break any laws or get anyone hurt.

Join a political party, attend their meetings, express your concerns, vote on candidates, donate time and money......in short, participate beyond the short strokes on election day..........less than 3% of Canadian voters do..........so your influence is multiplied many times.
 

Nuggler

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Ooh, straight talk like that gets me all excited. You may have summed up our Canadian political problems right there in one mouthful. There may be a few :-? folks that disagree with you, but I'm with ya! Not sayin' everyone is lazy or apathetic, but some folks don't do much to influence election results (work for a candidate, run for office) but have mighty strong opinions after the fact.

Hell, I know some that can't even get off their butt to go and vote but criticize everything between elections. I think they're not entitled to an opinion if they didn't vote (but could have).
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Gotta agree about the non voters...........just shut up!!! :angry3: One freakin day, and they can't cast a ballot...........shame.

Butt: Once the slimy bastards are elected, they are IN for one full term, unless the opposition can heave them. And then THEY get in.......for one full term..............and they trade slime............Really, bending over this barrel is getting tiring.........and painful.
 

Colpy

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Harper in proroguing parliament again so that he can reset everything..

It is simple.. It starts with my Senate Thread I had earlier this month.. If Harper appoints new Senators he cannot control the already running committees that have Liberal Senators as head of them.. After he appoints new Conservative Senators he will have to reset Parliament by proroguing it.. This will permit all Senate committees to be reformed and have Conservative heads to them as well as be bias to ram thru the legislation..

However it means all legislation done in 2009 that was not complete will be null and void and have to be re-done.

One point that should be made from this.. Although Harper will now have control of the Senate, he could well lose control of Parliament as the NDP could well no longer support him in the house..

These are all possibilities..

Exactly.....and so what???

There is absolutely nothing wrong, suspicious, questionable or under-handed about the process....it is completely normal in today's context.

When Parliament returns, there will be a Throne Speech and a budget, and the opposition will have every opportunity to force an election.....if they dare.

I am sorry the Bill kill firearms (long gun) registration will die........we fought hard for 14 years to get some reform to the point it was at today........(sigh)

But there really is no essential matters before the House....time to hit reset.
 

Francis2004

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Exactly.....and so what???

There is absolutely nothing wrong, suspicious, questionable or under-handed about the process....it is completely normal in today's context.

When Parliament returns, there will be a Throne Speech and a budget, and the opposition will have every opportunity to force an election.....if they dare.

I am sorry the Bill kill firearms (long gun) registration will die........we fought hard for 14 years to get some reform to the point it was at today........(sigh)

But there really is no essential matters before the House....time to hit reset.

What's your point ??

I was just stating the facts..
 

Colpy

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OK.. I got scared there.. :-|

Maybe, just maybe..... That long gun registry will get the final axe.. :smile:

And if it doesn't I am driving to your house and ...... :angryfire:

We can discuss a new party to kill it.. OK ?

The Canadian Alternative Reform Party (CARP) No dyslexics allowed. lol
 

Goober

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Harper in proroguing parliament again so that he can reset everything..

It is simple.. It starts with my Senate Thread I had earlier this month.. If Harper appoints new Senators he cannot control the already running committees that have Liberal Senators as head of them.. After he appoints new Conservative Senators he will have to reset Parliament by proroguing it.. This will permit all Senate committees to be reformed and have Conservative heads to them as well as be bias to ram thru the legislation..

However it means all legislation done in 2009 that was not complete will be null and void and have to be re-done.

One point that should be made from this.. Although Harper will now have control of the Senate, he could well lose control of Parliament as the NDP could well no longer support him in the house..

These are all possibilities..

No election in 2010 - the left is divided and Jack is picking up support in Liberal ridings - iggy the King is around 24 % -

Bill can be again passed and mve quickly thru the Senate - the last hold up in the Senate was about protecting Candainas form goods that pose a threat to the young an old - the Senate wanted to gut that bill, No wonder he wants to change the furniture -
 

VanIsle

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OK.. I got scared there.. :-|

Maybe, just maybe..... That long gun registry will get the final axe.. :smile:

And if it doesn't I am driving to your house and ...... :angryfire:

We can discuss a new party to kill it.. OK ?
I picked up our mail today Francis. Amongst the many things that were there, was an envelope telling my hubby to renew his licence for his guns. The final axe doesn't appear to be falling yet.
 

FiveParadox

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Exactly.....and so what?
The Right Honourable Stephen Harper P.C., M.P. (Calgary Southwest), the Prime Minister of Canada, seems to be declaring that the priorities that were expressed in the last throne speech — and indeed, the entire agenda of Her Majesty’s Government for Canada — is misguided and should be cancelled. The intention of prorogation is for a completed session to be ended so that a new one can begin — this session is far from completed.

There is absolutely nothing wrong, suspicious, questionable or under-handed about the process....it is completely normal in today's context.
We should also consider the fact that the prime minister was in vehement opposition to the idea of the House of Commons discussing the Afghan torture issue — and lo! and behold, as soon as a special committee is prepared to discuss the matter, we have prorogation on the table. It sounds to me as though the prime minister and the Government have something that they don’t wanat brought to light. It is not the process that is suspect — prorogations are entirely constitutional and, when used appropriately, something that shouldn’t be given a second thought. The prime minister isn’t using it appropriately — but is he allowed to use it anyway? Absolutely, it’s his prerogative as prime minister, and it’s an essential component of our flexible constitutional arrangements that he has that prerogative.

When Parliament returns, there will be a Throne Speech and a budget, and the opposition will have every opportunity to force an election.....if they dare.
The opposition parties cannot force an election — only the prime minister can force an election. Whether this is through presenting a clearly unacceptable motion to the House, pushing an unsatisfactory budget, or declaring some benign issue a matter of confidence, it will be the prime minister visiting Rideau Hall. The opposition parties aren’t invited.

I am sorry the Bill kill firearms (long gun) registration will die........we fought hard for 14 years to get some reform to the point it was at today........(sigh)
You’re mistaken.

Per s. 86.1 of the Standing Orders of the House of Commons, private members’ business continues uninterrupted through prorogations. Bill C-391, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act (repeal of the long-gun registry) will be carried over into the next session, and returned to the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security for comprehensive review. This was one advantage to moving this issue as private members’ business, instead of as Government business (as all Government business dies upon prorogation).

But there really is no essential matters before the House....time to hit reset.
I’m glad you and I can agree that the Government’s agenda is completely unneeded.

These bills are being abandoned by the prime minister and the Government through prorogation:
  • Bill S-5 — the Long-gun Registry Repeal Act
  • Bill S-6An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (accountability with respect to political loans)
  • Bill S-7 — the Constitution Act, 2009 (Senate term limits)
  • Bill S-8 — the Tax Conventions Implementation Act, 2009
  • Bill C-6 — the Canada Consumer Product Safety Act
  • Bill C-8 — the Family Homes on Reserves and Matrimonial Interests of Rights Act
  • Bill C-13An Act to amend the Canada Grain Act, chapter 22 of the Statutes of Canada, 1998 and chapter 25 of the Statutes of Canada, 2004
  • Bill C-15An Act to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts
  • Bill C-19An Act to amend the Criminal Code (investigative hearings and recognizance with conditions)
  • Bill C-20 — the Nuclear Liability and Compensation Act
  • Bill C-23 — the Canada–Columbia Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
  • Bill C-26An Act to amend the Criminal Code (auto theft and trafficking in property obtained by crime)
  • Bill C-27 — the Electronic Commerce Protection Act
  • Bill C-30 — the Senate Ethics Act
  • Bill C-31An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act and the Identification of Criminals Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act
  • Bill C-34 — the Protecting Victims from Sex Offenders Act
  • Bill C-35 — the Justice for Victims of Terrorism Act
  • Bill C-36 — the Serious Time for the Most Serious Crime Act
  • Bill C-37An Action Plan for the National Capital Commission
  • Bill C-40 — the Expanded Voting Opportunities Act
  • Bill C-42 — the Ending Conditional Sentences for Property and Other Serious Crimes Act
  • Bill C-43 — the Strengthening Canada’s Corrections System Act
  • Bill C-44An Act to amend the Canada Post Corporation Act
  • Bill C-45An Act to amend the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
  • Bill C-46 — the Investigative Powers for the 21st Century Act
  • Bill C-47 — the Technical Assistance for Law Enforcement in the 21st Century Act
  • Bill C-52 — the Retribution on Behalf of Victims of White Collar Crime Act
  • Bill C-53 — the Protecting Canadians by Ending Early Release for Criminals Act
  • Bill C-54 — the Canadians by Ending Sentence Discounts for Multiple Murders Act
  • Bill C-55 — the Response to the Supreme Court of Canada Decision in R. v. Shoker Act
  • Bill C-57 — the Canada–Jordan Free Trade Act
  • Bill C-58 — the Child Protection Act (Online Sexual Exploitation)
  • Bill C-59 — the Keeping Canadians Safe (International Transfer of Offenders) Act
  • Bill C-60 — the Keeping Canadians Safe (Protecting Borders) Act
  • Bill C-61 — the Railway Continuation Act, 2009
  • Bill C-63 — the First Nations Certainty of Land Title Act
These are all Government bills introduced during the current session that have not yet been passed. So, the Government very clearly hasn’t completed what it set out to do, and there are lots of ‘essential’ bills on the order paper, at least according to the Government’s agenda. So, why prorogue Parliament? Something is very clearly amiss.
 
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Goober

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The Right Honourable Stephen Harper P.C., M.P. (Calgary Southwest), the Prime Minister of Canada, seems to be declaring that the priorities that were expressed in the last throne speech — and indeed, the entire agenda of Her Majesty’s Government for Canada — is misguided and should be cancelled. The intention of prorogation is for a completed session to be ended so that a new one can begin — this session is far from completed.


We should also consider the fact that the prime minister was in vehement opposition to the idea of the House of Commons discussing the Afghan torture issue — and lo! and behold, as soon as a special committee is prepared to discuss the matter, we have prorogation on the table. It sounds to me as though the prime minister and the Government have something that they don’t wanat brought to light. It is not the process that is suspect — prorogations are entirely constitutional and, when used appropriately, something that shouldn’t be given a second thought. The prime minister isn’t using it appropriately — but is he allowed to use it anyway? Absolutely, it’s his prerogative as prime minister, and it’s an essential component of our flexible constitutional arrangements that he has that prerogative.


The opposition parties cannot force an election — only the prime minister can force an election. Whether this is through presenting a clearly unacceptable motion to the House, pushing an unsatisfactory budget, or declaring some benign issue a matter of confidence, it will be the prime minister visiting Rideau Hall. The opposition parties aren’t invited.


You’re mistaken.

Per s. 86.1 of the Standing Orders of the House of Commons, private members’ business continues uninterrupted through prorogations. Bill C-391, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Firearms Act (repeal of the long-gun registry) will be carried over into the next session, and returned to the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security for comprehensive review. This was one advantage to moving this issue as private members’ business, instead of as Government business (as all Government business dies upon prorogation).


I’m glad you and I can agree that the Government’s agenda is completely unneeded.


These bills are being abandoned by the prime minister and the Government through prorogation:
  • Bill S-5 — the Long-gun Registry Repeal Act
  • Bill S-6An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (accountability with respect to political loans)
  • Bill S-7 — the Constitution Act, 2009 (Senate term limits)
  • Bill S-8 — the Tax Conventions Implementation Act, 2009
  • Bill C-6 — the Canada Consumer Product Safety Act
  • Bill C-8 — the Family Homes on Reserves and Matrimonial Interests of Rights Act
  • Bill C-13An Act to amend the Canada Grain Act, chapter 22 of the Statutes of Canada, 1998 and chapter 25 of the Statutes of Canada, 2004
  • Bill C-15An Act to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts
  • Bill C-19An Act to amend the Criminal Code (investigative hearings and recognizance with conditions)
  • Bill C-20 — the Nuclear Liability and Compensation Act
  • Bill C-23 — the Canada–Columbia Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
  • Bill C-26An Act to amend the Criminal Code (auto theft and trafficking in property obtained by crime)
  • Bill C-27 — the Electronic Commerce Protection Act
  • Bill C-30 — the Senate Ethics Act
  • Bill C-31An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act and the Identification of Criminals Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act
  • Bill C-34 — the Protecting Victims from Sex Offenders Act
  • Bill C-35 — the Justice for Victims of Terrorism Act
  • Bill C-36 — the Serious Time for the Most Serious Crime Act
  • Bill C-37An Action Plan for the National Capital Commission
  • Bill C-40 — the Expanded Voting Opportunities Act
  • Bill C-42 — the Ending Conditional Sentences for Property and Other Serious Crimes Act
  • Bill C-43 — the Strengthening Canada’s Corrections System Act
  • Bill C-44An Act to amend the Canada Post Corporation Act
  • Bill C-45An Act to amend the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
  • Bill C-46 — the Investigative Powers for the 21st Century Act
  • Bill C-47 — the Technical Assistance for Law Enforcement in the 21st Century Act
  • Bill C-52 — the Retribution on Behalf of Victims of White Collar Crime Act
  • Bill C-53 — the Protecting Canadians by Ending Early Release for Criminals Act
  • Bill C-54 — the Canadians by Ending Sentence Discounts for Multiple Murders Act
  • Bill C-55 — the Response to the Supreme Court of Canada Decision in R. v. Shoker Act
  • Bill C-57 — the Canada–Jordan Free Trade Act
  • Bill C-58 — the Child Protection Act (Online Sexual Exploitation)
  • Bill C-59 — the Keeping Canadians Safe (International Transfer of Offenders) Act
  • Bill C-60 — the Keeping Canadians Safe (Protecting Borders) Act
  • Bill C-61 — the Railway Continuation Act, 2009
  • Bill C-63 — the First Nations Certainty of Land Title Act
These are all Government bills introduced during the current session that have not yet been passed. So, the Government very clearly hasn’t completed what it set out to do, and there are lots of ‘essential’ bills on the order paper, at least according to the Government’s agenda. So, why prorogue Parliament? Something is very clearly amiss.

And they can all be introduced again in their original format - Loved how the Senate delayed the Keeping Canadians Safe Act - they attempted to gut that bill after all parties gave unanmiuos support - The Senate Committees will now change - and then we will see. Chretien or Martin or any PM would have done the same thing - so get of the high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

Anyhow
Wishing you and yours a Happy New Year and all the best is 2010.
 

relic

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My opinion is that harper is hoping everyone will forget about the abused prisoner thing,I don't for a second believe this "reset"crap.He ran on a promise of accountability,and one of the first trhings he did was break his own freshly minted law regarding the timing of elections,things went downhill after that.
harper dared the oposition to call his bluff by making everything a confidence thing,then when they did call him he pulled the prorouge trick.
Trouble is,what would replace him?I really dislike harper because I don't think he's honest,but I don't have much faith in the competition either.
 

JLM

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So what do you think of your "leader"now,anybody that would vote for harper or any of his lackys has got serious problems.Me,I'm disgusted!
In case you haven't seen the news,harper has run and hid,again,I'd like to hear some arguements for this cowardly display.

First of all at risk of being off topic, I hesitate to discuss threads when the opener has also expressed his/her own opinion (if you've already made up your mind why bother asking?- unless of course you enjoy trolling!!! :lol:)

There's a hundred ways you can look at this (if you are talking about peroging). To me it's not a big deal- all politicians are a little sleazy. He's probably shirking some responsibilities, but at the same time he's probably saving the taxpayer a wad of money. These guys will be able to fly to Whistler from their home riding rather than all of them running up a bill from Ottawa airport. I guess both Ignatieff and Rae will no doubt be in high dudgeon- oh and Layton too I would imagine. That's tough! Anyway there's bigger fish to fry than what the lunatics in Ottawa do. When they are not there they are not doing any harm.