Chavez... tick tick tick
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Being at deaths door, depending upon belief, why some even find God then, does have a way of causing a person (some not all)to look for forgiveness.
8 1/2 years in India.
Rotating back and forth on various contracts.
Interspersed with a few trips to Thailand and China.
Had an apartment in Mumbai.
Spent time in Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore , Surat, Pune, Rajasthan and so forth.
Walked the alleys of Dharavi, talked to the locals.
Unless you are a national of India eao, which BTW I am not, I suspect there is not much for you to tell me about India.
I believe I have answered your questions, why have you answered none of mine?
Why not walk the talk?
Go hang out in a casa in Cuba, and no, not Varadero.
Hang with the locals, attend a few neighborhood "struggle sessions".
Walk with the locals to try and pick up their non-available food rations.
Learn how your Cuban friends cannot even leave their village without the correct Carnet (internal passport).
Heck I have done it.
Why dont you?
Your the Socialist after all.
From an April 8 Bloomberg.come article :
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez wiped tears from his face as he pleaded for life in his fight against an undisclosed cancer at a Catholic mass in his home state of Barinas.
Chavez, speaking yesterday at the mass held for his health and broadcast on state television, said cancer is a “real threat” that takes many lives and that he has faith that he will win the fight against the disease.
Chavez, who returned April 4 from Cuba where he underwent a second round of radiation therapy, said he shed tears when he felt the hands of his parents, Hugo and Elena, touch him during the mass. His siblings also attended the service.
“If this was necessary, may it be welcome,” Chavez said, who wore a white T-shirt under a blue and white track suit. “But I ask God to give me life, however painful. I can carry 100 crosses, your crown of thorns, but don’t take me yet. I still have things to do.”
Seems devout to me...
I have never been to India. But I have been to about 50% of the First Nation Communities in Northern Ontario, Nunavut and Northern Manitoba with a population over 500 and seen poverty in Canada first hand.
I've been to Cuba. Most people seemed happy and people seemed genuinely friendly and helpful. Cubans are poor, but I never saw desperate poverty like I did in Mexico and the Dominican Republic. I saw some poverty on the train from Shanghai to Beijing.
I saw little sign of communism during the time I spent in Shanghai. At the street level I only saw rampant capitalism. Most of Shanhai at street level are store, shops, restaurants... all crammed togther with people trying to sell everything from deep fried silkworms to Lamborghinis.. You could buy beer in one store and drink it in a restaurant down the street. Later I walked down the street to ride the metro, drinking and belching loudly. Test your freedom to drink in public in Ontario and see what happens...
Costa Rica probably was the wealthiest and best educated country I've visited in Central America.
Education in Costa Rica: The Exception in Central America
Costa Ricans are a highly literate people. The country boasts of 96% literacy in citizens 15 years or older, the most literate population in Central America. Many of the countryÕs early leaders like the first president, Jose Maria Castro, were former teachers who were concerned about the education in Costa Rica. In 1869, the country became one of the first in the world to make the education both free and obligatory, funded by the state's share of the great coffee wealth. In those days only one in ten Costa Ricans could read and write.
Costa Ricans feel that their high education level sets them apart from many less fortunate countries in Central America and around the world. In the 1970s only 45 to 60 percent of adults in El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua could read and write as compared to approximately 90 percent in Costa Rica (Skidmore 327). Many of Costa Rica's rulers have been educators as well, and have placed great importance in the expansion of primary and secondary education, even in the most remote areas of the country.
Costa Ricans are extremely proud of their education level, and they strongly believe that the key to a good life is schooling and continued training.
Education in Costa Rica
I agree. Education is key to a high standard of living. Which is why a person's level of education shouldn't be limited by poverty.
Public education is an example of socialism. We pay for it with our taxes and it generates no direct revenue. But it increases our productivity and increases our wealthy and standard of living indirectly. which is why under funding it is a bad idea.
Other examples of socialism are public health care, old age security, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, fire fighting, public highways, .... anything which is funded by tax dollars for the benefit of society.
so I admit to be a socialist.
At the same time, i recognize the benefits of regulated and taxed capitalism...
I've been to Cuba. Most people seemed happy and people seemed genuinely friendly and helpful. Cubans are poor, but I never saw desperate poverty like I did in Mexico and the Dominican Republic. I saw some poverty on the train from Shanghai to Beijing.
I saw little sign of communism during the time I spent in Shanghai. At the street level I only saw rampant capitalism. Most of Shanhai at street level are store, shops, restaurants... all crammed togther with people trying to sell everything from deep fried silkworms to Lamborghinis.. You could buy beer in one store and drink it in a restaurant down the street. Later I walked down the street to ride the metro, drinking and belching loudly. Test your freedom to drink in public in Ontario and see what happens...
Costa Rica probably was the wealthiest and best educated country I've visited in Central America.
Education in Costa Rica: The Exception in Central America
Costa Ricans are a highly literate people. The country boasts of 96% literacy in citizens 15 years or older, the most literate population in Central America. Many of the countryÕs early leaders like the first president, Jose Maria Castro, were former teachers who were concerned about the education in Costa Rica. In 1869, the country became one of the first in the world to make the education both free and obligatory, funded by the state's share of the great coffee wealth. In those days only one in ten Costa Ricans could read and write.
Costa Ricans feel that their high education level sets them apart from many less fortunate countries in Central America and around the world. In the 1970s only 45 to 60 percent of adults in El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua could read and write as compared to approximately 90 percent in Costa Rica (Skidmore 327). Many of Costa Rica's rulers have been educators as well, and have placed great importance in the expansion of primary and secondary education, even in the most remote areas of the country.
Costa Ricans are extremely proud of their education level, and they strongly believe that the key to a good life is schooling and continued training.
Education in Costa Rica
I agree. Education is key to a high standard of living. Which is why a person's level of education shouldn't be limited by poverty.
Public education is an example of socialism. We pay for it with our taxes and it generates no direct revenue. But it increases our productivity and increases our wealthy and standard of living indirectly. which is why under funding it is a bad idea.
Other examples of socialism are public health care, old age security, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, fire fighting, public highways, .... anything which is funded by tax dollars for the benefit of society.
so I admit to be a socialist.
At the same time, i recognize the benefits of regulated and taxed capitalism...
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Let me get this straight. The elected twats enrich the poor above their station all the way up the foodchain to the middle, seemingly threatening the very fabric of the nation, indeed perhaps even had a hand in 9/11, and you being poor, of a sort, decide to fix things by attacking the poor instead of the elected twats. The gaddamned poor always ruin a good country. Of course if you're wealthy you can afford to make art out of laying about, and they do. I would suggest you have your head examined but after these many years I'm sure you must have heard and ignored the advice many times. Maybe you can't afford proper medical help. A herbal remedy perhaps?
More people should listen to George Carlin. He's always been able to see through the BS and tell it as it is.
Our education system has been dumbed down so that fewer of us can figure out that we are getting screwed over. Worse, many people are so mesmerized by the MSM, they support themselves getting screwed over. They believe that everone can be wealthy if they just work hard enough, but that's a lie. No many how hard you work at minimum wage, you'll never rise out of poverty or be able to afford a decent education for yourself or your children. Many people who would see an immediate improvement in their lives from incresed social welfare don't support it. The status quo doesn't just condemn the poorest people to a lifetime of poverty, it also condemns the poor's children and their children's children to a lifetime of poverty.
The status quo isn't necessary. We are far more productive than what we were 30 years ago, yet our poor and middle class are worse off... That's only possible if the increased wealth from increased productivity only went to upper class... The numbers don't lie, the upper class are far wealthier than at any time in human history.
...Over the last three decades, the tables of the rich have overflowed, with barely any scraps falling off. On the contrary, there's been a massive transfer of income and wealth from Canada's middle and lower class to the rich. The result is that Canada has become a highly unequal society...
wealth distribution | rabble.ca
The top 400 billionaires now enjoy a combined net worth equal to the poorest 2.5 billion people on the planet.
Rich vs. Poor Stats
The current situation isn't just unfair, its also cruel and dangerous. Sooner or later the have nots always figure out that they have no stake in the status quo and rise up in revolt.
Hugo Chavez is a socialist, but he didn't get rid of Venezuela's wealthy elite. He just diverted some of the flow of wealth from Venezuela's oil revenues so it would benefit the poor and middle class as well as the upper class. Venezuela's wealthy elite are still wealthy, just not as wealthy as they would have been if they continued to suck the wealth from the poor and middle class.
The trickle down economic theory is a bold faced lie. Wealth has always flowed from the poor to the wealthy. Bypassing the poor (trickle-down economic theory), only made the wealthy wealthier and the poor less educated and less productive in the short term. In the long term, an unproductive uneducated poor and middle class reduces the total amount of overall wealth. Costa Rica's leaders figure this out back in 1859. The reason why Canada has a high standard of living is historical inertia. We still continue to benefit from the excellent education system we used to have. But our future wealth will be based on the crappy out of reach education system we've had since Reaganomics.
The right wing agenda of the Harper Conservatives and Boehner Republicans only benefit the top 1% and screw over the rest of us. If people voted for their self interests, these policitical parties would only get 1% of the vote. Everyone poor and middle class person who votes for right wing agenda is really screwing themselves and the 99% who aren't in the 1%
Our education system has been dumbed down so that fewer of us can figure out that we are getting screwed over. Worse, many people are so mesmerized by the MSM, they support themselves getting screwed over. They believe that everone can be wealthy if they just work hard enough, but that's a lie. No many how hard you work at minimum wage, you'll never rise out of poverty or be able to afford a decent education for yourself or your children. Many people who would see an immediate improvement in their lives from incresed social welfare don't support it. The status quo doesn't just condemn the poorest people to a lifetime of poverty, it also condemns the poor's children and their children's children to a lifetime of poverty.
The status quo isn't necessary. We are far more productive than what we were 30 years ago, yet our poor and middle class are worse off... That's only possible if the increased wealth from increased productivity only went to upper class... The numbers don't lie, the upper class are far wealthier than at any time in human history.
...Over the last three decades, the tables of the rich have overflowed, with barely any scraps falling off. On the contrary, there's been a massive transfer of income and wealth from Canada's middle and lower class to the rich. The result is that Canada has become a highly unequal society...
wealth distribution | rabble.ca
The top 400 billionaires now enjoy a combined net worth equal to the poorest 2.5 billion people on the planet.
Rich vs. Poor Stats
The current situation isn't just unfair, its also cruel and dangerous. Sooner or later the have nots always figure out that they have no stake in the status quo and rise up in revolt.
Hugo Chavez is a socialist, but he didn't get rid of Venezuela's wealthy elite. He just diverted some of the flow of wealth from Venezuela's oil revenues so it would benefit the poor and middle class as well as the upper class. Venezuela's wealthy elite are still wealthy, just not as wealthy as they would have been if they continued to suck the wealth from the poor and middle class.
The trickle down economic theory is a bold faced lie. Wealth has always flowed from the poor to the wealthy. Bypassing the poor (trickle-down economic theory), only made the wealthy wealthier and the poor less educated and less productive in the short term. In the long term, an unproductive uneducated poor and middle class reduces the total amount of overall wealth. Costa Rica's leaders figure this out back in 1859. The reason why Canada has a high standard of living is historical inertia. We still continue to benefit from the excellent education system we used to have. But our future wealth will be based on the crappy out of reach education system we've had since Reaganomics.
The right wing agenda of the Harper Conservatives and Boehner Republicans only benefit the top 1% and screw over the rest of us. If people voted for their self interests, these policitical parties would only get 1% of the vote. Everyone poor and middle class person who votes for right wing agenda is really screwing themselves and the 99% who aren't in the 1%
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Feeding them their Fourth Meal from Taco Bell?
Hugo is on life support. I doubt he knows what is going on in his hospital room. lol
Big dummy... subsidized subsidized subsidized. That $800 apartment is subsidized by Section 8... plus food stamps... plus free medical... plus free oil.... etc.
Plus the Obama Phone!
Original Obamaphone Lady: Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube
That's our poor! Right there. Free Phones and it looks like she has PLENTY to eat as does her friends behind her. They b*tch because they don't have a second house on the waterfront like the wealthy do. THAT makes them poor in their eyes.
the meek shall inherit, what the hells your problem smack they're inheriting, they'll get your boat some day, maybe even eat you on the beach hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Chavez's dismal economic record can be layed on his inability to develop a comprehensive national industrial strategy.. Relying on oil as its only export.. and importing virtually everything else it consumed.
His domestic policy was based on redistribution rather than creation of wealth by way of industrial development. That's similar to the situation Canada is facing with the disintegration of its industrial potential through Free Trade. Globalism is something that is shared by both Free Market Capitalism and Socialism.. and in both cases it has profoundly failed.
As for the future for Venezuela.. the country in polarized now into pro Chavez and anti Chavez camps.. with the Chavez group representing a modest majority. But the only way forward is to reject both the radical socialist and capitalist models.. and find that Third Way within a national economic system. I don't see any of the current contenders proposing a viable future for Venezuela.
His domestic policy was based on redistribution rather than creation of wealth by way of industrial development. That's similar to the situation Canada is facing with the disintegration of its industrial potential through Free Trade. Globalism is something that is shared by both Free Market Capitalism and Socialism.. and in both cases it has profoundly failed.
As for the future for Venezuela.. the country in polarized now into pro Chavez and anti Chavez camps.. with the Chavez group representing a modest majority. But the only way forward is to reject both the radical socialist and capitalist models.. and find that Third Way within a national economic system. I don't see any of the current contenders proposing a viable future for Venezuela.
Oh... that is devout? Pleading for his life in the face of death?
Devout Catholics don't do the things he's done. Catholics who are devout... meaning they follow the rules.
There is nothing devout about that. That is fear.
I have a boat?
They'll be zombies?
Chavez looks pretty dead here.. ? What'cha think?
LEAKED VIDEO Hugo chaves muere ( hugo chavez dead ) died 4 january 2013
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LEAKED VIDEO Hugo chaves muere ( hugo chavez dead ) died 4 january 2013
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