Does that mean I'll get checks in the mail for work I don't do?
Do we get to have all the stuff that the wealthy have? Or do we take so much from them that they must live like us?
What do I care?
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Does that mean I'll get checks in the mail for work I don't do?
Do we get to have all the stuff that the wealthy have? Or do we take so much from them that they must live like us?
What do I care?
Where did I say I was in favor of giving people money? I am against giving poor people money, because you give them a choice on how to spend it. Read what I wrote.
I support giving everyone free food, clothing, shelter, health care and free but merit based access to post secondary education.
Free food = enough to meet nutritional/dietary requirements. Want to eat in a restaurant or buy junk food? Get a job that pays money
Free Clothing = government issued underwear, shorts, pants, shirts, sweaters and coats. Want designer clothes with a logo on it? Get a job that pays money
Free shelter = 1 bedroom per occupant, a kitchen and a bathroom. Want a nice home with a living room and a pool? Get a job that pays money.
Free health care means basic needs. If you loose a tooth, you get dentures. You want caps or a titanium implant? Get a job that pays money.
If the above was free, then why does anyone need money? If you want to drink, gamble, use drugs or the freeedom to spend money anyway you like, then get a job that pays money. I oppose giving poor people money, because then they have a choice to spend money on necessities or on smokes, drugs and gambling and letting their children go hungry. That's why the current social welfare system is ineffective at ending poverty.
Also, if basic necessities are free, then a minimum wage isn't required and companies like Walmart and Starbucks can pay their employees are low as the market allows. But no one should have to work to survive. Working is a means to improive your living standard. If you are lazy SOB who doesn't want to work, then you won't be able to buy alcohal or cigareetes like you can now. If you are registered drug addict, you can get your fix through a doctor after attending the mandatory group therapy session. You want to do hard drugs, then the government has a building for you and your peers. You can walk in, but you can't get out until you pee drug fee. I don't want desperate drug addicts in my face like we do know under the current war on drug user system we have now.
The above system would be far cheaper than the current system and less prone to abuse.
wealth and money are not the same thing. money is a form of wealth. But wealth can come from other objects and materials. Food, clothing, shelter, medical care and merit based access to post secondary education are other forms of wealth and they are free, then they don't require.. Everyone should have a minimum standard of living and the wealthy people should pay enough in taxes so that the government can provide the poor a minimum standard of living.
Our poverty problem isn't because people don't make enough money, but because basic necessities aren't free or are too expensive. Necessities can be made less expensive by taxing the wealthy and subsidizing basic necessities, ideally to the point where all basic needs are free. If you want to raise your living standard above this minimum, then get a job that pays money...
Our poverty problem isn't because people don't make enough money, but because basic necessities aren't free or are too expensive. Necessities can be made less expensive by taxing the wealthy and subsidizing basic necessities, ideally to the point where all basic needs are free. If you want to raise your living standard above this minimum, then get a job that pays money...
Oh please. Talk about getting caught in one of your nonsensical babbles yet again.
Dude the basic necessities have been provided for decades now. No longer is it acceptable for poor in the US to just have 3 squares, a roof, and access to primary education. The poor MUST live on the same standards of the middle class here in the US. That means FREE EVERYTHING. Up till recently the poor could use their welfare cards for a day at the spa in Massachusetts. That's right... welfare money Spa Treatments.
Yet you want to take more from wealthy and give to layabouts.
And believe me... the middle class gets the shaft.
Dude the basic necessities have been provided for decades now. No longer is it acceptable for poor in the US to just have 3 squares, a roof, and access to primary education. The poor MUST live on the same standards of the middle class here in the US. That means FREE EVERYTHING. Up till recently the poor could use their welfare cards for a day at the spa in Massachusetts. That's right... welfare money Spa Treatments.
Yet you want to take more from wealthy and give to layabouts.
And believe me... the middle class gets the shaft.
Dude, 1 in 6 Americans face food insecurity.
Child Hunger in America: Childhood Hunger Facts | Feeding America
You've been fed lies.
BTW, the same problem is as big if not bigger here in Canada. That's why I support free nutritious food in schools.
Millions of American children go to bed hungry because Mommy has a coke habit and Daddy is a deadbeat gambler. That's the trouble with giving Mommy and Daddy money. And believe me millions of poor children get the shaft from their Mom and Dad. Yes that's a problem for all children because hungry children can't pay attention in school and hunger explains some of their bad behavior.
Most of the other abuses you describe are a result of giving people money or the equivalent of money. I disagree with that. Make the basic necessities free and no one needs money to survive. Money should only be for improving your lifestyle, not to survive.
Child Hunger in America: Childhood Hunger Facts | Feeding America
You've been fed lies.
BTW, the same problem is as big if not bigger here in Canada. That's why I support free nutritious food in schools.
Millions of American children go to bed hungry because Mommy has a coke habit and Daddy is a deadbeat gambler. That's the trouble with giving Mommy and Daddy money. And believe me millions of poor children get the shaft from their Mom and Dad. Yes that's a problem for all children because hungry children can't pay attention in school and hunger explains some of their bad behavior.
Most of the other abuses you describe are a result of giving people money or the equivalent of money. I disagree with that. Make the basic necessities free and no one needs money to survive. Money should only be for improving your lifestyle, not to survive.
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Well there is statistics enough for all around.
My stats show Venezuelas total debt rising from 35B in 2002 to 76B in 2010
Domestic debt rose from 12B in 2002 to over 37B in 2010.
But your right many western nations have similar or worse debt records.
When I said Chavez looted the treasury what I ment was he seized control of all national assets (including the treasury) for use as he personally saw fit with zero oversight.
Chavez was democratically elected but runs the country like a dictator, he personally controls all the levers of power and commerce.
You admit to being a Socialist and yet you have not addressed my question of living and working in a Socialist nation.
Plane tickets are cheap.
You retain your Canadian passport as a safety net.
If you have not lived and worked in a nation like Cuba or Venezuela why not?
Oil exports provide between 80 and 90% of Venezuelas cash flow.
They have, some say, the largest reserves of oil in the world.
And Chavez with more luck than skill took control of Venezuela just as oil prices skyrocketed.
PDVSA's oil production has plunged under Chavez from 3.3mBPD to around 2mBPD today. Why?
Massive brain drain is ongoing in both Cuba and Venezuela. Why?
Both Cuba and Venezuela try to curb the departure of educated nationals to other countries. Why?
National infrastructure development is down. Why?
O&G exploration and development is down. Why?
Foreign investment in Venezuela has dropped. Why?
Venezuela now needs to go cap in hand to non democratic vested interest nations like China and Russia for investment capital.Why?
Crime is up in Caracas, the capital. Why?
Tourism in Venezuela has not kept pace with gains made by nearby countries. Why?
My friends and aqaintances in Cuba and Venezuela never stop checking out emmigrating, that or they have already left. Why?
And so on.
I liked my time spent in Venezuela, it has some of the friendliest people in SA.
Combine that with unbIelievably hot chicks and whats not to like.
I also enjoyed living in house just off the beach in Cuba.
Like I said I am not really into slagging Socialist nations.
And they do tend to channel greater resources to the poor.
But having said that I do prefer living in Canada.
Again I have to ask, if you are a Socialist advocating Socialism in Canada why on earth would you not go and spend time in the Socialist heartlands?
Planes are cheap, casa's and casa particular's are dirt cheap.
What a load of &%$#. Food Insecurity. We went over this before but you are too dense. There is PLENTY of food and the "poor" have so much F***ing food that they are the most obese class of Americans. Our poor are not only well fed but they can gorge and become morbidly obese.
Food insecurity.... Some liberal does a survey asking our tubby "poor" people if they are afraid of going hungry and they say yes knowing by saying yes they'll get more money for KFC.
There is no lack of food here in the U.S and a negligent parent that refuses to feed his/her kids properly is not indicative of "Childhood Hunger". It is having a low life parent(s) that would rather do something other than cook.
I doubt it.
I am sure you do. More handouts.
Then THAT is mommy and daddy's fault and not the government.
Millions go to bed hungry huh? Why because they didn't get their fourth meal from Taco Bell? I bet they go into a classroom in NYC and ask who went to bed hungry last night and the obese kids raise their hands.
Millions of American children are morbidly obese and they are most often in the so called "poor".
You just said the wealth should be given to the poor and middle class and the wealthy taxed more!
You misunderstand... to our libtards in America the basic necessities are what everyone else has whether they work or not.
Trex,
I could ask the same as you. How come you don't move to India where they have unbridaled capitalism and anarchy?
I was born in Canada and I am a patriotic Canadian. Canada is far too capitalist as it is. As a patriotic Canadian, I want Canada to be a better place to live for all Canadians. I would like to see Canada eliminate poverty, desperation that comes with poverty and crimes that comes with desperation. Unfortunately a few wealthy @ssholes have convinced most Canadians that making wealthier people wealthier is good for Canada, when really a small wealthy out of touch elite class and lot of poor desperate people isn't good for anyone including wealthy people who believe that if the poor don't have enough bread, then they should eat cake. Most people are too greedy and self serving to realize that they a certain degree of socialism benefits everyone including the wealthy over the long term.
BTW, I also own my own corporation (1 employee: me, 1 CEO: my wife) and I earn a very good living. I put myself in the top 10% relative to other Canadians. So I am also a capitalist... to a point.
I am a socialist (to a point) for selfish reasons, that on the surface may appear altruistic.
Desperate people do desperate things. In the last two years, I've had two near mugging events. If I was an old man or a woman, I'm sure I would have been mugged for pocket change... but I am intimidating enough in person to make most muggers think twice. If these desperate people had food, clothing, shelter and their drugs of choice, then they would not have been looking for people to mug. I support my tax dollars going towards buying drugs for drug addicts, rather than drug addicts knifing me for pocket change.
I support all children having the opportunity to attain their potential. I want the doctor who operates on me to be the best qualified, not the son of a wealthy person, because only wealthy people can afford to send their children to medical school. The same with the engineers who build the bridges I drive across or design the planes I fly in. I don't want these people to be rich brats who earned mostly D's in university and got their steel ring because Daddy donated a new library to the university. As it is now, most children will never attend university because their parents can't afford it. These potential doctors and engineers end up working a McJob, living at or below the poverty line, because they never got a chance to go to university. As university becomes more expensive, it becomes more out of reach for most people. University students should be focused on their studies and shouldn't have to worry about hodling down a few crappy jobs to pay tuition, rent, food or clothing. The only work they should do are coop jobs related to their education. If post secondary school was free and merit based, far more people would be educated professionals and they'd be paying a lot of taxes, just like me.
I don't have a problem paying my taxes. I want to pay my taxes. I told my accountant to make sure I pay the government every dime I owe them, but not a penny more. My problem with taxes are the way they are collected (I shouldn't need an accountant or a tax specialist) and the way they are spent. (corruption, multibillion dollar fighters and other ridiculous nonsense)
As many as 17 million children nationwide are struggling with what is known as food insecurity. To put it another way, one in four children in the country is living without consistent access to enough nutritious food to live a healthy life, according to the study, "Map the Meal Child Food Insecurity 2011."
HUNGER HURTS: Millions of American Kids Go Hungry - ABC News
Also one can be obese and malnourished at the same time.
The Nutrition Paradox: How Malnutrition and Obesity Rates Grow Simultaneously
Obesity doesn't indicate that a person is well fed. It indicates they are getting too many sugar and starch in their diet and not enough exercise. But it has little bearing on how well nourished a person is.
I could ask the same as you. How come you don't move to India where they have unbridaled capitalism and anarchy?
I was born in Canada and I am a patriotic Canadian. Canada is far too capitalist as it is. As a patriotic Canadian, I want Canada to be a better place to live for all Canadians. I would like to see Canada eliminate poverty, desperation that comes with poverty and crimes that comes with desperation. Unfortunately a few wealthy @ssholes have convinced most Canadians that making wealthier people wealthier is good for Canada, when really a small wealthy out of touch elite class and lot of poor desperate people isn't good for anyone including wealthy people who believe that if the poor don't have enough bread, then they should eat cake. Most people are too greedy and self serving to realize that they a certain degree of socialism benefits everyone including the wealthy over the long term.
BTW, I also own my own corporation (1 employee: me, 1 CEO: my wife) and I earn a very good living. I put myself in the top 10% relative to other Canadians. So I am also a capitalist... to a point.
I am a socialist (to a point) for selfish reasons, that on the surface may appear altruistic.
Desperate people do desperate things. In the last two years, I've had two near mugging events. If I was an old man or a woman, I'm sure I would have been mugged for pocket change... but I am intimidating enough in person to make most muggers think twice. If these desperate people had food, clothing, shelter and their drugs of choice, then they would not have been looking for people to mug. I support my tax dollars going towards buying drugs for drug addicts, rather than drug addicts knifing me for pocket change.
I support all children having the opportunity to attain their potential. I want the doctor who operates on me to be the best qualified, not the son of a wealthy person, because only wealthy people can afford to send their children to medical school. The same with the engineers who build the bridges I drive across or design the planes I fly in. I don't want these people to be rich brats who earned mostly D's in university and got their steel ring because Daddy donated a new library to the university. As it is now, most children will never attend university because their parents can't afford it. These potential doctors and engineers end up working a McJob, living at or below the poverty line, because they never got a chance to go to university. As university becomes more expensive, it becomes more out of reach for most people. University students should be focused on their studies and shouldn't have to worry about hodling down a few crappy jobs to pay tuition, rent, food or clothing. The only work they should do are coop jobs related to their education. If post secondary school was free and merit based, far more people would be educated professionals and they'd be paying a lot of taxes, just like me.
I don't have a problem paying my taxes. I want to pay my taxes. I told my accountant to make sure I pay the government every dime I owe them, but not a penny more. My problem with taxes are the way they are collected (I shouldn't need an accountant or a tax specialist) and the way they are spent. (corruption, multibillion dollar fighters and other ridiculous nonsense)
As many as 17 million children nationwide are struggling with what is known as food insecurity. To put it another way, one in four children in the country is living without consistent access to enough nutritious food to live a healthy life, according to the study, "Map the Meal Child Food Insecurity 2011."
HUNGER HURTS: Millions of American Kids Go Hungry - ABC News
Also one can be obese and malnourished at the same time.
The Nutrition Paradox: How Malnutrition and Obesity Rates Grow Simultaneously
Obesity doesn't indicate that a person is well fed. It indicates they are getting too many sugar and starch in their diet and not enough exercise. But it has little bearing on how well nourished a person is.
Food Insecurity... it reminded me of that other libtard creation... Food Deserts in America. Areas where people have little or no access to food. So I looked up the City I grew up in and found two Food Deserts...
They are as follows...
1.) D.W Field Park...
Yes, there are no Super Markets or restaurants in the park. You will need to pack a picnic lunch if you would like to eat. Don't forget to bring bread for the ducks.
2.) Thorney Lea Golf Course
Again there are no super markets or access to food stores on the course. But in this exclusive private golf club the beer cart has plenty of snacks, cold drinks, and beer. The Club also has a snack bar for when you are coming around the back 9 and a restaurant when you finish up your round of golf.
Hunger in America... what a joke.
They are as follows...
1.) D.W Field Park...
Yes, there are no Super Markets or restaurants in the park. You will need to pack a picnic lunch if you would like to eat. Don't forget to bring bread for the ducks.
2.) Thorney Lea Golf Course
Again there are no super markets or access to food stores on the course. But in this exclusive private golf club the beer cart has plenty of snacks, cold drinks, and beer. The Club also has a snack bar for when you are coming around the back 9 and a restaurant when you finish up your round of golf.
Hunger in America... what a joke.
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Can't forget about you.
Is dinner, supper?
Or is dinner, lunch?
Or, is dinner, dinner?
LOL. Thanks... I guess.
Depends on where you are.
I use Middle Earth time and my favorite meal is Second Breakfast.
When I was a kid on the bald prairie, I always wanted to go to a drug store to have an ice-cream soda. Never went. City was too far. Didn't ever get over the disappointment.
Keericed, we even had to go down into the valley to pick musk melons. Talk about poor; I thought peas were a snack food!
Keericed, we even had to go down into the valley to pick musk melons. Talk about poor; I thought peas were a snack food!
Let's do the math:
...the official poverty line was an annual income of $23,021 for a family of four. By total numbers, roughly 46.2 million people remained below the poverty line, unchanged from 2010. That figure was the highest in more than half a century when records were kept. The 15 percent poverty rate was basically unchanged from 1993 and was the highest since 1983.
U.S. Poverty: Census Finds 46.2 Million Impoverished As Median Income Drops
A family of 4 earns $23,021 a year. They pay $800/month for a crappy appartment in a trashy neighborhood.
$800x12months=$9600
Lets assume they eat all their meals at crappy fast food restaurants like Taco Bell. They might be able to get away with about $2.50 per person per meal, which translates to $40/day for the family x 365 days = $14,600 in food. (BTW, I can't remember the last time I paid $2.50 for a meal anywhere.)
$9600 + $14,600 = $24,200
By my estimate, they run out of money in December and that's not even taking into account clothing, bus fare to get to work, medicine, heat and utlities...
So if this family cannot even afford Taco Bell value meals ES, what do you suggest? Do you think they should eat cake instead?
Poverty isn't a joke. Its a problem here in Canada, just like it is in the US.
How to end child poverty: Tax the rich - The Globe and Mail
I suggest people try living on $10 a day in food, bus fare and clothing and see just how unpleasant poverty really is. Hunger, cold and an out of reach post secondary education is the reality for hundreds of thousands of Canadian children and millions of American children.
BTW, a 5% increase on the top 1% of Americans would probably feed every hungry child in the US.
I'm pretty sure Hugo Chavez would not be as ambivalent to the suffering of Hurricane Sandy victims as Republicans are:
New York's victims of Hurricane Sandy face ‘dire, dire situation’ as House stalls on $60 billion storm aid bill
Residents in devastated neighborhoods like Coney Island and the Rockaways suffer as Washington leaders 'play politics with people's livelihoods,' small business owners say.
New York's victims of Hurricane Sandy face*
Nothing wrong in the US, except obese people milking the system. There is no poverty or desperation in the US...
...the official poverty line was an annual income of $23,021 for a family of four. By total numbers, roughly 46.2 million people remained below the poverty line, unchanged from 2010. That figure was the highest in more than half a century when records were kept. The 15 percent poverty rate was basically unchanged from 1993 and was the highest since 1983.
U.S. Poverty: Census Finds 46.2 Million Impoverished As Median Income Drops
A family of 4 earns $23,021 a year. They pay $800/month for a crappy appartment in a trashy neighborhood.
$800x12months=$9600
Lets assume they eat all their meals at crappy fast food restaurants like Taco Bell. They might be able to get away with about $2.50 per person per meal, which translates to $40/day for the family x 365 days = $14,600 in food. (BTW, I can't remember the last time I paid $2.50 for a meal anywhere.)
$9600 + $14,600 = $24,200
By my estimate, they run out of money in December and that's not even taking into account clothing, bus fare to get to work, medicine, heat and utlities...
So if this family cannot even afford Taco Bell value meals ES, what do you suggest? Do you think they should eat cake instead?
Poverty isn't a joke. Its a problem here in Canada, just like it is in the US.
How to end child poverty: Tax the rich - The Globe and Mail
I suggest people try living on $10 a day in food, bus fare and clothing and see just how unpleasant poverty really is. Hunger, cold and an out of reach post secondary education is the reality for hundreds of thousands of Canadian children and millions of American children.
BTW, a 5% increase on the top 1% of Americans would probably feed every hungry child in the US.
I'm pretty sure Hugo Chavez would not be as ambivalent to the suffering of Hurricane Sandy victims as Republicans are:
New York's victims of Hurricane Sandy face ‘dire, dire situation’ as House stalls on $60 billion storm aid bill
Residents in devastated neighborhoods like Coney Island and the Rockaways suffer as Washington leaders 'play politics with people's livelihoods,' small business owners say.
New York's victims of Hurricane Sandy face*
Nothing wrong in the US, except obese people milking the system. There is no poverty or desperation in the US...
Not quite. But wait and see what happens after he kicks off. The infighting for the Crown will be bloody.