Canadian Generals (ret) Say Peace Keeping No longer Exists

[Goober]

Yes, Moron.

That is why they award you the Vimy Award and the Order of Canada.



My emphasis.

In other words, he was a scapegoat, same as the Regiment itself.

Now DEAL WITH THE SUBJECT MATTER.

Troll.

To remind you: Is "peacekeeping" possible today,or is the Liberal devotion to the idea their typical idiotic and counter productive virtue signalling?

Trudeau has been promising troops since before the election, but as we have seen in article after article, DND and this Govt cannot get their collective crap together and replace equipment that has been noted as needed for a decade, in many cases decades.
Peace Keeping went the way of the wind with Bosnia.

Unfortunately our troops are poorly equipped, and trained to deploy a full Battalion and I am including rotations. I am not including support troops that would be needed.

JTF2 have been getting resources, men and equipment, while the rest of the Forces are short soldiers, aka, boots on the ground, using out of date equipment from vehicles, to comms and drones. Air support as we have seen in Astan, and the recent events in Niger where 4 US Soldiers died.
What choppers do we have that can take out or provide air support?
CF 18- elderly, but can provide support. We would needless to say need to borrow smart missiles from the US.


Mali/Niger, Chad area of operations it covers is immense and needs a significant number of troops, changes in Govt policies, and infrastructure.
Mali and Niger are at or near the top of the list for corruption.
If troops are sent, it will be like pissing on a fire hoping it goes out or stays under control, and it will not unless specif actions are taken,including rooting out corruption.

Just look at ASTan for corruption.

Yes he was a scapegoat who got promoted.

The scapegoat was the Canadian Airborne Regiment.



Yes he was a scapegoat who got promoted.

The scapegoat was the Canadian Airborne Regiment.

as for the subject matter I agree with every pundit who points out that "peace keeper" is probably an obsolete term. Hardly an Earth-shattering observation.

The CAR was out of control long before the Somalia fiasco.
From Snr NCO's/Warrant Officer to Officers, they let discipline rot.

 

[spilledthebeer]

I find it mildly offensive that you don't even know what the Somalia Inquiry was.

It makes me wonder why you are even here.

Here are some thoughts on the quality and value of LIE-beral peace keeping:


Here is an older article illustrating how badly Our idiot Boy Justin is performing on the serious military part of the world stage. His socialist/anti Imperialist values are infuriating our allies and major trading partners. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Allies grow weary of Liberal waffling over UN peacekeeping mission.

THE CANADIAN PRESS. First posted: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:14 AM EDT | Updated: Friday, May 12, 2017 04:49 PM EDT

Liberals pledge up to 600 soldiers, $450-million for UN peacekeeping operations
Suspected jihadists kill 3 at U.N. base in north Mali

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau shrugged off calls Friday for a decision on whether to send troops to Mali, saying his government will take the “appropriate” time needed to decide on a peacekeeping mission.

Diplomatic sources have expressed growing impatience and frustration with what they call foot-dragging by the government after the Liberals promised last August to make up to 600 troops available for peacekeeping.

(And here it is- 6 months later and idiot Boy is STILL waffling! With the added bonus that his removal of Cdn fighter jets from the fight against Isis and his insistence on training large numbers of Kurds in military methods is backfiring ias well! Removal of the fighters insulted our allies and let the war against Isis drag on longer. The training of large numbers of Kurds is now allowing for civil war in the region as Kurds set up an independent homeland at the expense of Iraq and using military training obtained from Cdns! Now that Isis has gone underground - other regional forces are on the march! I said it lat year that no sensible person would want to see large masses of Muslims trained in military tactics as that training would one day be used against Israel, Turkey and the West!)

The government was leaning toward a deployment to Mali, where the UN has been charged with stabilizing the country after the central government and Tuareg rebels signed a peace agreement in 2015.

(Our idiot Boy is certainly looking for some place to deploy our soldiers as peace keepers since he wants the selfies with smiling villagers relieved that Cdn aid is flowing their way. But the problem is there is NO peace to KEEP in any of the third world pest holes available!)

(Our idiot Boy does not want to see our troops go off to “MAKE PEACE” in some place such as Mali because that would OFFEND his anti imperialist sensibilities! He does not want to admit that western democratic nations can usually manage things better than the third world socialist despots Our idiot Boy admires! Nor does Our idiot Boy wish to admit that hard line socialist govt is too often grossly corrupt and ineffective since Our Boy IS a socialist himself!)

(Our idiot Boy does not want to embarrass Putin and Russia because it would promote Western/Yankee/NATO values and political position. Our idiot Boy does not want to condemn Iranian nuclear bomb makers because it might strengthen the Yankee position against hard line Iranian Mullahs. Our idiot Boy will not speak against the desperately corrupt socialist regime in Venezuela because Our idiot Boy is a hard line socialist himself and will not disparage his friends!)

The UN was hoping Canada would contribute transport helicopters as well as intelligence capabilities and even a force commander to the endeavour, considered the most dangerous peacekeeping mission in the world.

(And there is the heart of it- Our idiot Boy THINKS that benign talk and throwing money at problems will make them go away! He does not believe in shooting people who seek either victory or martyrdom! As he has said in the past: “if we kill our enemies then they win” Just how that works he has not explained- perhaps he is jealous of Jihadists winning those 72 virgins in paradise? The ones he cannot have because he is a Catholic?)

Several cabinet ministers visited the West African country last year, as did military planners, development officials from Global Affairs Canada and others to see how Canada could contribute to the UN mission.

But nine months after touting Canada’s return to peacekeeping, the government still hasn’t decided whether to send Canadian troops to Mali — or anywhere else, for that matter.

Two Western diplomats interviewed by The Canadian Press this week said their countries have not received any explanation for the delay, which they say has caused problems on the ground in Mali.

The UN had hoped Canada would replace a squadron of Dutch transport helicopters that one diplomat said had to be withdrawn from Mali because of technical issues.

(Technical issues? Like maybe the machines are worn out and need replacing and the Dutch cannot afford that due to their HUGE homeland anti Muslim terror security bills? And Our idiot Boy does not want to send our helicopters for that same reason- if they are worn out then he will have to divert gravy away from his civil service Hog supporters to buy more? And Our idiot Boy scorns the military!)

Canadian officials, meanwhile, asked the world body to hold off on announcing a commander for the UN mission, known as Minusma, until they could consult with the Trump administration.

(IN other words- as I have mentioned before- Trump is hitting at Trudope over his NATO slacker and sloppy on terror stance! The squabble over our hardwood and dairy business is a DIRECT result of Trudope indifference to national security and Muslim terror! So Our idiot Boy is seeking to cut deals with Trump- but what sort of trade prize will Trudope win if he does send a few helicopters? Problem is our allies figure we ought to be doing MORE AGAINST MUSLIM TERROR FOR OUR OWN SAFETY! Our allies think Our idiot Boy is a blinkered MORON!)

Germany and Belgium stepped into the breach when the Liberals continued to equivocate, committing both helicopters and a Belgian general to lead the UN mission, until Canada could make a decision.

“They bought time, so to speak,” one of the diplomats said of Germany and Belgium. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to protect the relationship between Canada and their respective countries.

“We hope (Canada) will decide now after assessing all they needed to assess. There is a certain expectation that Canada will come back.”

The other diplomat put it more bluntly, saying: “Just make a decision. Even if it’s a no, we need a decision.”

(Sadly Our idiot Boy is such a publicity hound he enjoys simply having world leaders and military people hanging on his every word- waiting for his choice!)

Complicating matters is the fact the government sent invitations to different countries this week for a major peacekeeping event in Vancouver in November.

(AS previously mentioned- Trudope thinks TALK is a fine substitute for guns- hence his “ major peace keeping event”!)

Asked about the delay Friday, Trudeau reaffirmed his belief that Canada has “a strong role to play around the world in promoting peace, security and stability.”

But he sidestepped questions on whether Canada would send troops to Mali, and insisted the Liberal government would not be rushed into any peacekeeping mission.

“Any time we’re making a decision about sending the extraordinarily brave women and men of the Canadian Forces potentially into harm’s way, we have to make sure that it’s the right approach, that it’s the right mission, that they have the right training and equipment,” Trudeau told a news conference in Brampton, Ont.

(Yes- Trudope and his LIE-berals speak of the bravery of our military- and then quietly and privately sneer at them for being dumb enough to put on the uniform to begin with!)

“We are taking the appropriate amount of time to reflect on how best to engage Canadians in international peacekeeping operations.”

Various reasons have been cited for the government’s indecision, including uncertainty about the Trump administration’s priorities and concerns about the potential dangers to Canadian troops in Mali.

More than 100 peacekeepers have died in the country since 2013, many in terrorist attacks perpetrated by rebel forces as well as extremist groups such as Ansar Dine and al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb.

(IN other words, Mali is a hotbed of Muslim radicals- the ones Our idiot Boy wants to engage in dialogue so he can understand their troubles- just as he wanted to talk to the Boston City bombers so he could tend to their hurt feelings and lack of `inclusion`! Our idiot Boy is a dangerous LOON!)

One senior government official said many Canadians don’t realize the nature of peacekeeping has changed, and that the increased danger is something that has to be publicly explained.

(If you are sending volunteers who genuinely believe they are doing a dangerous but useful job then there is not so much trouble! Many Cdns were distressed by the spectacle of 250 school girls kidnaped by Muslim terror group Boko Haram and turned into sex slaves and forcibly impregnated!)

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, also linked the delay to the fact the Liberals’ new policies on both defence and international assistance are still under wraps.

(LIE-beral `defense policy`- such as it is- is still under wraps because they are hoping Trump will be dumped out of office BEFORE he can hold LIE-beral feet to the fire and force them to be more serious about national security and Muslim terror!)

 

[Angstrom]

Peace keeping never really existed in the first place :laughing3:
Its just what the kool kids where drinking at the time.

 

[petros]

From what I gathered after watching Sanginh meet with Ukrainians, even more troops and arms are heading to the Steppes.

 

[TenPenny]

I find it mildly offensive that you don't even know what the Somalia Inquiry was.

It makes me wonder why you are even here.

I find it mildly offensive that you don't know what you're talking about, but it's okay for you to be here. Unlike you, I believe people should be able to say whatever they wish.

 

[spilledthebeer]

From what I gathered after watching Sanginh meet with Ukrainians, even more troops and arms are heading to the Steppes.

Maybe you ought to consider that Our idiot Boy Justin really has NO CLUE- and certainly has NO troops to send to Ukraine!


Is it not sad and silly that Lie-berals should claim to be so proud of their political record and their moral values and yet they are UTTERLY determined NOT to discuss the record of Pierre Trudeau and REFUSE to discuss the family influences that shaped our new prime minister-the son of Our idiot Boy Justin! Consider this:

Those who guess that our not so clever prime minister-Our idiot Boy, knows nothing of geography and military history are correct! Firstly, he is a product of our child centred school system and thus knows very little about much of anything. And likely could not find any Baltic state on a map....nor tell you how many of them there are!

And he certainly would not have learned much of real use from his viciously irresponsible father-Our PET-the closet COMMIE who spent the year 1942 in Montreal trying to organize a dock workers strike so he could interfere with the flow of vital war supplies to Britain and hamper what Our Pet saw as “Britains Imperialistic war against Nazi Germany”!

The acorn does not fall far from the Asshole family tree! As for the mother of the idiot Boy, she was, by her own admission mentally ill and while it is not appropriate to mock such a thing, it is not hard to suggest she would not be giving good parental advice either. With that sort of family standard in place it is unlikely Our idiot Boy would even be concerned about those Baltic sort of places- under threat from Putin.....in the Trudope view they are probably more or less Russian anyway and with his family legacy he probably figures that the mischievous scamp Vladimir Putin will look after them well enough!

We know that the Trudope family has Commie leanings since his father was welcomed by chairman Mao and the Red Guard into China in 1948 when Our Pet went for a visit. Our Pet dropped in and simply roamed the country at will-at a time when ordinary westerners could not get out of Beijing unless a squad of security people went along to ensure that only `suitable` sights were seen and no `unsanctioned` contact with ordinary Chinese people was made. That Our Pet was simply turned loose to wander at will says much about international recognition of his mind set and beliefs.

And of course the idiot Boy has publicly stated that he “admires the way the Chinese Communist party gets things done” -by which he means they don’t have to bother seeking public permission-the grand poobahs in charge do as they see fit and punish anybody who doesn’t like it!

After his return from China, Our Pet unwisely gave a media interview in which he described in glowing terms all the great things the Red Guard was doing for the people-but no mention of re-education camps or people beaten to death or deprived of land and property and liberty-Our Pet did not like to speak of sad subjects and he had no time or patience for those who defied `authority`-meaning anybody who disagreed with HIM!

Our Pet DID state-during that long ago interview- that if he ever became prime minister “he would want to take Canada from the past into the future via the route of radical socialism”! Later when Our Pet got interested in politics, he banned any reporter from any media scrum if the reporter had the temerity to mention that long ago interview.

From all this we may conclude that it is Trudope family tradition to admire thugs and dictators and to speak first and then consider the political ramifications a little later.

Also, it was Our Pet who conspired with rogue elements in the RCMP security service to blow up barns and open mail and otherwise harass and annoy political opponents-mostly in Quebec. Trudope family tradition runs towards a certain....impatience..... with the tedious details and responsibilities of a modern and honest democracy-its just HARD to be the Boss if you have to keep stopping and explaining yourself to people who think you are a jerk! And if you disagree well then FUDDLE DUDDLE!

 

[Curious Cdn]

I have another take on the Somalia mission and It tells us about the inadvisibility of Canada sending soldiers into "peacekeeping" where there is no civil authority, no peace and no local desire for peace. The old Imperial troops of the past managed to do it but without the constraints of goofy UN committee decisions and the nicities of the social democratic world trying to share their peace and love message with really vicious people. It ain't going to work and don't spend our young people promoting the lie that there is peace to keep.

Now, the Airborne ..They were sent to Somalia because our empaupered army that was seriously debilitated after the non-stop destruction of their ranks and capabilities during the Trudeau years was already deployed to dozens of peacekeeping missions and they were just plain wrung out. The Airborne Regiment was sent because there was no one else to send. It was a poor choice to send our special forces commandos to be some sort of diplomatic corp in the middle of a country that had succumbed to total and violent anarchy. The Airborne were not meant to do that sort of thing. They were and are trained and "designed" to do the nasty military dirtywork that dare not speak It's name to the genteel folk of Canada (our soldiers do THAT!?) and they do it at the behest of the civilian leadership of this country and no one else. Sending them as peacekeepers is like sending the police swat team into an elementary school to control an incident of bullying.

It was a ridiculous choice to send The Airborne in the cirst place but the army had just plain run out of human resources

Here we go again. Another generation of Liberals wants to engage our little boutique army because the optics are good to do so and it makes the Canadian public feel good and smug

 

[Hoid]

First of all the Airborne went in because it was their turn, and second the mission was no different than any other.

You get orders - you follow orders.As per your training.

 

[Curious Cdn]

First of all the Airborne went in because it was their turn, and second the mission was no different than any other.

You get orders - you follow orders.As per your training.

"Their turn", eh? Where did they go to the previous time that it was "their turn" ? There must be some sort of rotation to those missions if they took turns.

 

[Hoid]

Yes there is some sort of rotation.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Yes there is some sort of rotation.

Rubbish. That was the Canadian Airborne's first deployment as "Un Peacekeepers" like that as a complete unit. So, why wasn't MARCOM in the "big rotation"? A ship's company of say, Protecteur had the total skill set for a sucessful peacekeeping mission. They have all of the technical skills, medical expertise, logisical experience and the just-getting-along-with-each-other-in-a-confined-space sort of covnviviality that would make for a successful diplomatic mission


Instead, they sent men who were highly trained to jump out of helicopters and Hercs and kill as effectively as possible, all the while surviving

What an idiotic thing to do, giving a turn to your shock troops in the "big rotation".

Truth is, they'd plum run out of soldiers to deploy

 

[WLDB]

Well that has been obvious for awhile. People probably just like the term for nostalgias sake even though it isn’t really relevant anymore.

 

[Hoid]

There are only so many infantry regiments in Canada. Picking one for a deployment isn't rocket science.

This whole idea that they were somehow unsuited for the duty is ridiculous. They are no different than any other unit except they have a jump coarse.

 

[Curious Cdn]

There are only so many infantry regiments in Canada. Picking one for a deployment isn't rocket science.

This whole idea that they were somehow unsuited for the duty is ridiculous. They are no different than any other unit except they have a jump coarse.

They were very different as the members of the Airborne were specially selected from the regular infantry regiments for certain characteristics that they had that were lacking in the many soldiets that were passed by.

I suppose thst if one isn't so special themselves, one takes a dim view of elite formations

 

[darkbeaver]

Sounds like something you'd use to cover your goolies during a hockey game.

Yer not frum this country are you?

There's no money in peace keepin everybody knows competition is good.

 

[Hoid]

They were very different as the members of the Airborne were specially selected from the regular infantry regiments for certain characteristics that they had that were lacking in the many soldiets that were passed by.

I suppose thst if one isn't so special themselves, one takes a dim view of elite formations

you're being ridiculous.

they were selected based on whether they wanted a jump coarse.

the fact is that the Regiment performed that deployment with distinction, and were wrongly punished for the actions of a few idiots.

 

[Curious Cdn]

you're being ridiculous.

they were selected based on whether they wanted a jump coarse.

the fact is that the Regiment performed that deployment with distinction, and were wrongly punished for the actions of a few idiots.

They shouldn't have been there nor should any other Western soldiers (see; Amercan deployment to Somalia)

 

[lone wolf]

"Cheeking" and other mischief had nothing to do with pissing off war-trained guys. These weren't Boy Scouts. As elite shock troops, they were ill suited for baby-sitting service ... and that particular company has always had attitude.

Common joke of the Home Regiment: "Halt!..." pap "...Who was there?"

 

[Cannuck]

The Airborne was a shyte show and anbody that knew anything about them knew Somalia was a disaster waiting to happen

 

[Johnnny]

Of course there is no more peacekeeping. We just give the bad guys money and take in their refugees which leaves the bad people the run of the country which pretty leaves the country a shit hole.