Canadian Generals (ret) Say Peace Keeping No longer Exists

[Curious Cdn]

Farm boys are the best of course. He was a very good man wasn,t he. I hope he came home. Lots of times though they can.t come home even if they survive the carnage. How many really good guys have the pricks who run earth just ground up in thier gears. I can't really get my head arround those millions, but we have the interweb now and no doubt these altercations can be avoided in the future. however the excitment of reconsterution looms on the horizon,

He lived to be 94 with all his marbles still lined up. He'd start to cry when he remembered the war, though, even into his 80's. He was a great and proud Canadian Scot

 

[darkbeaver]

Does peace there have any value? What;s the payoff for introducing peace?

Peace is nice but it dosen't demand enough industry.

Peace is kin to unemplyment.

Peace is the mother of unemployment.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Does peace there have any value? What;s the payoff for introducing peace?

Peace is nice but it dosen't demand enough industry.

Whatever "peace" we try to impose anywhere will just delay the resolution pf the underlying problem that led to the conflict in the first plsce
As harsh as it sounds, you will only get a permanent peace after events have played themselves out.

 

[darkbeaver]

It could be different on some as yet undiscovered planet. Never mind Eienstien, who invented toilet paper?

 

[Curious Cdn]

It could be different on some as yet undiscovered planet. Never mind Eienstien, who invented toilet paper?

Timothy Eaton, who wanted people go actually READ his catalogue

 

[darkbeaver]

Timothy Eaton, who wanted people go actually READ his catalogue

That cost me a mothfull of beer.

How long have you been interested in the history of toilet paper?

Eatons OK I'll follow tht up.

 

[Hoid]

They were thinking about Mali, possibly because we have Francophone troops available
Close your eyes and try to imagine the Vandoos disarming Boko Haram.

For what its worth my opinion is that you will not see Canadians as peace keepers anywhere but white places.

ie) Urkaine - yes // Rwanda - no.

 

[Colpy]

For what its worth my opinion is that you will not see Canadians as peace keepers anywhere but white places.

ie) Urkaine - yes // Rwanda - no.

I don't think you will see military peacekeepers at all.....especially in the Ukraine, as Russia has a veto.

Training, equipment, and a bunch of girls to show the flag. That is what they are talking about.

Much virtue signalling, no action.

Even Trudeau isn't stupid enough (or his advisors are not stupid enough) to send front-line peacemakers to Mali under UN control.

Srebrenica. Rwanda. Bosnia.

We must have learned by now.

 

[Johnnny]

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[Curious Cdn]

I don't think you will see military peacekeepers at all.....especially in the Ukraine, as Russia has a veto.

Training, equipment, and a bunch of girls to show the flag. That is what they are talking about.

Much virtue signalling, no action.

Even Trudeau isn't stupid enough (or his advisors are not stupid enough) to send front-line peacemakers to Mali under UN control.

Srebrenica. Rwanda. Bosnia.

We must have learned by now.

The Liberals are probably looking at it as a good publicity exercise that will help pave the way to a seat on the security Council, for a while ... More good publicity for them.
Optics ... That's why we'll send our sons and daughters into danger.
Optics were a big part of the reason that Chretien sent our army into Afghanistan. It looked good after telling our ally to get stuffed over Iraq.

 

[Hoid]

The most important thing we should have learned is that the people on the ground have to know what the rules of engagement are.

You can't send people into harm's way without giving them the ability to protect themselves whether through avoidance or through superior fire power.


The Liberals are probably looking at it as a good publicity exercise that will help pave the way to a seat on the security Council, for a while ... More good publicity for them.
Optics ... That's why we'll send our sons and daughters into danger.
Optics were a big part of the reason that Chretien sent our army into Afghanistan. It looked good after telling our ally to get stuffed over Iraq.
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Thats why Harper tried to get the seat.

The Liberals are probably looking at it as a good publicity exercise that will help pave the way to a seat on the security Council, for a while ... More good publicity for them.
Optics ... That's why we'll send our sons and daughters into danger.
Optics were a big part of the reason that Chretien sent our army into Afghanistan. It looked good after telling our ally to get stuffed over Iraq.

Afghanistan was before Iraq.

We went into Afghanistan as part of the UN.

We declined to go into Iraq without the UN.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I know exactly who Lew Mackenzie is and was.

He IS a failed conservative candidate for parliament.

He WAS the main reason the Somalia mission ended in a fiasco.

Holy fukk you're an idiot.

Take off your partisan frilly bloomers and grab a fukking book.

 

[Hoid]

 

[Curious Cdn]

The most important thing we should have learned is that the people on the ground have to know what the rules of engagement are.

You can't send people into harm's way without giving them the ability to protect themselves whether through avoidance or through superior fire power.


The Liberals are probably looking at it as a good publicity exercise that will help pave the way to a seat on the security Council, for a while ... More good publicity for them.
Optics ... That's why we'll send our sons and daughters into danger.
Optics were a big part of the reason that Chretien sent our army into Afghanistan. It looked good after telling our ally to get stuffed over Iraq.
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Thats why Harper tried to get the seat.



Afghanistan was before Iraq.

We went into Afghanistan as part of the UN.

We declined to go into Iraq without the UN.

Canada went to Afghanistan after Iraq with the exception of us entering JTF-2 into the special forces Olympics that occurred when everybody was running around hunting down al Qaida and Bin Laden

 

[justlooking]

For what its worth my opinion is that you will not see Canadians as peace keepers anywhere but white places.

ie) Urkaine - yes // Rwanda - no.

Protecting White people doesn't allow a lot of virtue signaling, and thus will not be applied.

Even Trudeau isn't stupid enough (or his advisors are not stupid enough) to send front-line peacemakers to Mali under UN control.

Srebrenica. Rwanda. Bosnia.

We must have learned by now.

You're kidding, right ?
I wouldn't bet 5 dollars on Tater's levels of stupidity.
They have learned...... nothing

I can't see Canada simply saying no to the UN if they want us as peace keepers.

On the other hand I can't see Canada ever getting itself into another Somalia situation. Surely to God we learned our lesson.

You seem unwilling to see the truth.

 

[Dixie Cup]

How about all the past PMs that 'considered' peace keeping, and even worse, sent troops to do so?

In the past, there was peace to keep. I know because my husband and my two brothers went on "peace keeping" tours many times. But now, there is no such thing which is why I said that Trudeau is being an idiot for even considering it. Somalia was a good example of "peace keeping" under UN auspices; don't you dare shoot bad guys or defend civilians even if they're under attack! There was no "peace" to keep there.


JMHO

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

In the past, there was peace to keep. I know because my husband and my two brothers went on "peace keeping" tours many times. But now, there is no such thing which is why I said that Trudeau is being an idiot for even considering it. Somalia was a good example of "peace keeping" under UN auspices; don't you dare shoot bad guys or defend civilians even if they're under attack! There was no "peace" to keep there.


JMHO

Were your husband's and brothers' missions UN missions as well?

 

[Goober]

Rubbish. That was the Canadian Airborne's first deployment as "Un Peacekeepers" like that as a complete unit. So, why wasn't MARCOM in the "big rotation"? A ship's company of say, Protecteur had the total skill set for a sucessful peacekeeping mission. They have all of the technical skills, medical expertise, logisical experience and the just-getting-along-with-each-other-in-a-confined-space sort of covnviviality that would make for a successful diplomatic mission


Instead, they sent men who were highly trained to jump out of helicopters and Hercs and kill as effectively as possible, all the while surviving

What an idiotic thing to do, giving a turn to your shock troops in the "big rotation".

Truth is, they'd plum run out of soldiers to deploy

No, the CAR was out of control. Leadership had failed in the Unit. When someone puts a round into the RSM's office, you have a problem. All those problems were covered up and buried. And there were mnay problem soldiers, and the leadership knew who they were and failed to act.
That kids screams as he was tortured was heard by many, and not 1, not 1 soldier, Snr NCO/Warrant of Officer investigated.

That leadership failure went all the way to the CDS.
And Chretien shut the inquiry down, 1st time a Royal Commission had that happen as it was getting to close to the Generals and powerful civil servants.

 

[Angstrom]

Holy fuk its goober

Haven’t seen you in a while

 

[EagleSmack]

Canada offering 200 ground troops for future UN peacekeeping operations - Politics - CBC News

But not to worry...

The UN has regularly bombarded the Liberal government with specific mission and equipment requests and all of them have — to this point — been turned down or left under consideration.

... the Trudeau government is about as committed to Peace Keeping as they are to their obligations to the Paris Deal.