Canada Failing to Put Climate Change Plans in Action

EagleSmack

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Banks, companies turn against coal as leaders seek cash for climate

http://www.yahoo.com/news/leaders-join-frances-macron-discuss-climate-cash-crunch-020349888.html


Absent were the leaders of major polluters China, India, Brazil, Russia and Canada, Germany's Angela Merkel, and European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker.

*snicker*

In case anyone missed the article of Canada missing another Climate Change talk regarding actually doing something to help the Climate and the World.

The United States was there.

When it comes to combating Climate Change... Trump > Trudeau.... FACT
 

darkbeaver

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Amy ideas on how to move magnetic north back south to change the jet stream back to "normal"?

Yes I do and I am actively seeking investors.
 

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I think the carbon tax would do nothing to reduce emissions significantly. Just increase debt.
I think using more land to put up wind mill and solar panel farms is inefficient, wastes land and is only a capitalistic solution so we still buy power.

Instead I think the best solution is to invest in our own production of house style wind mills, solar panels and batteries. And make it available to put these things on everybody's house.
If every house had a windmill and solar panels, most of our power would be met and green. And no extra land is needed to supply power.
This will also create jobs manufacturing, installing and maintaining them at the cost of reducing jobs to the other power sectors. But the net effect, an extremely high reduction in green house gases. Add to this everybody owning an electric car in the near future and our emissions would be negligible.
 

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I think the carbon tax would do nothing to reduce emissions significantly. Just increase debt.
I think using more land to put up wind mill and solar panel farms is inefficient, wastes land and is only a capitalistic solution so we still buy power.

Instead I think the best solution is to invest in our own production of house style wind mills, solar panels and batteries. And make it available to put these things on everybody's house.
If every house had a windmill and solar panels, most of our power would be met and green. And no extra land is needed to supply power.
This will also create jobs manufacturing, installing and maintaining them at the cost of reducing jobs to the other power sectors. But the net effect, an extremely high reduction in green house gases. Add to this everybody owning an electric car in the near future and our emissions would be negligible.

You are right about carbon taxes. Simply a tax grab getting one step closer to taxing the air we breath and the water we drink. Acr=tually most of our drinking water is already taxed.
Windmills are a dead loss in most places. Our little one doesn't run enough to keep a pair of batteries charged. The ones on a blueberry farm near QB were all standing dead still yesterday. The Wind farm at Cape Scott are about 4 years old now and have had all the blades replaced because they couldn't take the wind and salt air.These are just the ones I know of around here without looking. Perhaps they cylindrical ones will work better.
 

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I think the carbon tax would do nothing to reduce emissions significantly. Just increase debt.
I think using more land to put up wind mill and solar panel farms is inefficient, wastes land and is only a capitalistic solution so we still buy power.

Instead I think the best solution is to invest in our own production of house style wind mills, solar panels and batteries. And make it available to put these things on everybody's house.
If every house had a windmill and solar panels, most of our power would be met and green. And no extra land is needed to supply power.
This will also create jobs manufacturing, installing and maintaining them at the cost of reducing jobs to the other power sectors. But the net effect, an extremely high reduction in green house gases. Add to this everybody owning an electric car in the near future and our emissions would be negligible.

$30K a house to go off grid.

CMHA says there are 7,329,150 houses in Canada.

See the problem?

That's only electricity.

Now what are going to do about gas to heat them?

Geothermal is $15K.

Keep in mind a heat pump craps out after 5 years and so do batteries for the solar and wind.

It ain't gonna happen.
 

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The tax is not intended to reduce emissions or reduce temperatures. It is a tax to increase revenue.
Sssh ! don't say anything , the people think it is for carbon reduction . Funny the same people who think it is for carbon reduction are still driving their cars to work every day sitting in traffic gridlock breathing in those polluting carbon emissions . But hey we don't want to build a bridge to reduce traffic gridlock because it is to expensive . Why can't the carbon pricing pay for the bridge if it is to reduce emissions ?
Another circle to square .
 

petros

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Sssh ! don't say anything , the people think it is for carbon reduction . Funny the same people who think it is for carbon reduction are still driving their cars to work every day sitting in traffic gridlock breathing in those polluting carbon emissions . But hey we don't want to build a bridge to reduce traffic gridlock because it is to expensive . Why can't the carbon pricing pay for the bridge if it is to reduce emissions ?
Another circle to square .

Driving an 07 Honda that puts out more emissions than an 17 F150.
 

darkbeaver

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I think the carbon tax would do nothing to reduce emissions significantly. Just increase debt.
I think using more land to put up wind mill and solar panel farms is inefficient, wastes land and is only a capitalistic solution so we still buy power.

Instead I think the best solution is to invest in our own production of house style wind mills, solar panels and batteries. And make it available to put these things on everybody's house.
If every house had a windmill and solar panels, most of our power would be met and green. And no extra land is needed to supply power.
This will also create jobs manufacturing, installing and maintaining them at the cost of reducing jobs to the other power sectors. But the net effect, an extremely high reduction in green house gases. Add to this everybody owning an electric car in the near future and our emissions would be negligible.

Neither solar nor wind will do much of anything to curtail the continued use of petro or bio fuels, combined both solar and wind provide to date .04 percent of the total required I believe. That is quite close to zero.

Power to the People.

All these Eco-Nuts worried about coal while the volcanoes get a free ride, and as a side note volcanic emmisions are definitely on the rise for the next few decades and that's pollution humans can do ZIP about.
 

OmegaOm

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The tax is not intended to reduce emissions or reduce temperatures. It is a tax to increase revenue.

I understand that. It was my point. Just a tax grab. But this idea is making more anti global warming people because of it. It has nothing to do with the fact of global warming. Just capitalistic governments way of saying they are dealing with it by getting more money from you.

$30K a house to go off grid.

CMHA says there are 7,329,150 houses in Canada.

See the problem?

That's only electricity.

Now what are going to do about gas to heat them?

Geothermal is $15K.

Keep in mind a heat pump craps out after 5 years and so do batteries for the solar and wind.

It ain't gonna happen.


I see the problem... But possible solution is to invest in our own way to make and manufacture them more cheaply. And I know people who have done it it for $15 grand.

Government can help us get the stuff on our houses and we can pay like a hydro bill till its paid off.
As of now, it takes 8 years to pay off the solar system in regards to paying a normal hydro bill. These panels last 25 years so its like 15 years without a bill.

As for heating there are many ways to heat your house with the day time sun and even store this heat. Add a really insulated house and electric heat to compensate through the night and you are good.

Already the average southern Ontario solar house supplies 1.5 to 2 houses of power. So the high power houses help the low power ones. All connected to the grid. Even now there is a surplus of power from our windmill farms. IF every house absorbed power we all would be good. We just need Niagara Falls to pick up the slack.
 
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EagleSmack

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I understand that. It was my point. Just a tax grab. But this idea is making more anti global warming people because of it. It has nothing to do with the fact of global warming. Just capitalistic governments way of saying they are dealing with it by getting more money from you.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the lefty flock. They are as gullible as they come.
 

petros

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I understand that. It was my point. Just a tax grab. But this idea is making more anti global warming people because of it. It has nothing to do with the fact of global warming. Just capitalistic governments way of saying they are dealing with it by getting more money from you.




I see the problem... But possible solution is to invest in our own way to make and manufacture them more cheaply. And I know people who have done it it for $15 grand.

Is that by using Energy grants and was it pre 122% tariff on solar panels?

I made money from the EcoEnergy grants but thanks to the short life of geothermal heat pumps I'm sitting at par. When the next one craps out within the next 2 years, I'll be in the red.

And it sucks quite frankly. When the temperature swings rapidly, out come the space heaters because geothermal can't keep up.
 
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darkbeaver

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Arctic Alarmists Facing Imminent Meltdown



Even as climate alarmists lie to the public about Polar Bears, Arctic sea ice extent is growing very rapidly and closing in fast on the 1981-2010 mean.
The volume of sea ice is up 15% from ten years ago.
The summer minimum extent is up from ten years ago.
Greenland’s surface has been gaining ice at near record rates for the last two years.


( And the Co2 warming is on track to result in record ice production.)