We don't need petroleum to make plastics. Any oil will do. Hemp oil makes a far superior plastic. We don't need petroleum to run our vehicles, heat our houses. It is all about power or the illusion of power. That power could be broken if there was any sort of will on the part of the consumer - but there isn't.
B.P.'s Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Thread (it's all here).....
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The problem is that from what I've read of any plant derived oils, they require more energy to farm and harvest than they put forward for fuel, etc, so, you still need petroleum to fuel the farm equipment to get your hemp oil to market in order to create your plastic. So, sure, you can create a computer with a plastic made from some other oil, but it's not free of petroleum consumption.
I'm still waiting for someone to design a computer to run on kerosene/propane so we are not dependent on electricity. :lol::lol:
Fish in a barrell.
Too easy as always.
I missed this post earlier.
So what are you trying to say with these photographs? Are you saying that offshore drilling is bad, must not be done? Well, it is gratifying to know that at least one conservative thinks that offshore drilling has problems associated with it. Or did you have this epiphany only after Obama came out in support of offshore drilling? If Obama supports it, it must be bad, right?
Anyway the difference is that offshore drilling is bad only when things go wrong. The way Republicans wanted to drill in Alaska, it would have resembled Mordor even if nothing went wrong. When you drill oil rigs all over pristine wilderness, defile pristine beauty by putting up ugly rigs all over the place, the damage is already done, even if nothing else goes wrong (like oil spills, rig exploding etc.).
You seem to be arguing that offshore drilling is bad because things may go wrong with it. The problem with drilling in Alaskan wilderness is that damage will be done by drilling alone, even if nothing goes wrong.
efffffing big cap for a 9 inch pipe..........
BP Dome Fails to Stop Oil Leak
Sunday, 09 May 2010 06:27
'British Petroleum (BP) has failed in its first attempt to contain oil leaking into the Gulf of Mexico with a metal box as crystallized gas fills the structure. Engineers from the UK oil giant tried to lower a four-story containment dome on a ruptured oil well in a move seen as the best short-term way to stem the flow from the fissure. But they had to pull up the 98-ton contraption on Saturday as gas hydrates, essentially slushy methane gas, blocked the oil from being siphoned out the top of the box.'
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Is Gulf Oil Rig Disaster Far Worse Than We're Being Told?
Sunday, 09 May 2010 07:14
'Reports about the massive Gulf of Mexico oil spill have been largely underestimated, according to commentators, including Paul Noel, a Software Engineer for the U.S. Army at Redstone Arsenal in Alabama. He believes that the pocket of oil that's been hit is so powerful and under so much pressure that it may be virtually impossible to contain it. And Noel is not the only person questioning the scope of this disaster.
A recent story from the Christian Science Monitor (CSM) reports that many independent scientists believe the leak is spewing far more than the 5,000 barrels, or 210,000 gallons, per day being reported by most media sources. They believe the leak could be discharging up to 25,000 barrels (more than one million gallons) of crude oil a day right now.'
Read more: Is Gulf Oil Rig Disaster Far Worse Than We're Being Told?
Sunday, 09 May 2010 07:14
'Reports about the massive Gulf of Mexico oil spill have been largely underestimated, according to commentators, including Paul Noel, a Software Engineer for the U.S. Army at Redstone Arsenal in Alabama. He believes that the pocket of oil that's been hit is so powerful and under so much pressure that it may be virtually impossible to contain it. And Noel is not the only person questioning the scope of this disaster.
A recent story from the Christian Science Monitor (CSM) reports that many independent scientists believe the leak is spewing far more than the 5,000 barrels, or 210,000 gallons, per day being reported by most media sources. They believe the leak could be discharging up to 25,000 barrels (more than one million gallons) of crude oil a day right now.'
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Million gallons of oil a day gush into Gulf of Mexico
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An extraordinary account of how the Deepwater Horizon disaster occurred emerged yesterday in leaked interviews with surviving workers from the rig. They said that a methane gas bubble had formed, rocketed to the surface and caused a series of fires and explosions which destroyed the rig and began the gushing of millions of gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico, threatening wildlife and coastal livelihoods. Oil-covered birds caught by the outer edges of the 135-mile slick are now being found.
Word also came yesterday that the oil spill may be five times worse than previously thought.
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An extraordinary account of how the Deepwater Horizon disaster occurred emerged yesterday in leaked interviews with surviving workers from the rig. They said that a methane gas bubble had formed, rocketed to the surface and caused a series of fires and explosions which destroyed the rig and began the gushing of millions of gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico, threatening wildlife and coastal livelihoods. Oil-covered birds caught by the outer edges of the 135-mile slick are now being found.
Word also came yesterday that the oil spill may be five times worse than previously thought.
I hope they are collecting the carcasses and burning them.
Wonder what will happen to the birds taht use the Gulf as part of their migration route, the slick should help that adaptation/eveolution machine kick into higher gears. Carbon burning Geese that can fly at 220MPH?
Is that straw thing being deployed in the meantime?
Just because it's a similar theme........old but similar.
How many men does it take to pilot a super tanker?
1 and 1/5th.
Who gets to be this episodes Hazelwood?
How many men does it take to pilot a super tanker?
1 and 1/5th.
Who gets to be this episodes Hazelwood?
The Cover-up: BP's Crude Politics and the Looming Environmental Mega-Disaster
Monday, 10 May 2010 06:52
'Obama and his senior White House staff, as well as Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, are working with BP's chief executive officer Tony Hayward on legislation that would raise the cap on liability for damage claims from those affected by the oil disaster from $75 million to $10 billion. However, WMR's federal and Gulf state sources are reporting the disaster has the real potential cost of at least $1 trillion.
Critics of the deal being worked out between Obama and Hayward point out that $10 billion is a mere drop in the bucket for a trillion dollar disaster but also note that BP, if its assets were nationalized, could fetch almost a trillion dollars for compensation purposes. There is talk in some government circles, including FEMA, of the need to nationalize BP in order to compensate those who will ultimately be affected by the worst oil disaster in the history of the world.'
Read more: The Cover-up: BP's Crude Politics and the Looming Environmental Mega-Disaster
Monday, 10 May 2010 06:52
'Obama and his senior White House staff, as well as Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, are working with BP's chief executive officer Tony Hayward on legislation that would raise the cap on liability for damage claims from those affected by the oil disaster from $75 million to $10 billion. However, WMR's federal and Gulf state sources are reporting the disaster has the real potential cost of at least $1 trillion.
Critics of the deal being worked out between Obama and Hayward point out that $10 billion is a mere drop in the bucket for a trillion dollar disaster but also note that BP, if its assets were nationalized, could fetch almost a trillion dollars for compensation purposes. There is talk in some government circles, including FEMA, of the need to nationalize BP in order to compensate those who will ultimately be affected by the worst oil disaster in the history of the world.'
Read more: The Cover-up: BP's Crude Politics and the Looming Environmental Mega-Disaster
The only incompetence shown here has been by British Petroleum, just another proof that facts mean nothing to a few of you.
In case you need facts, BP is not the company that owned the rig or did the actual drilling.
Incidentally, I was flipping around last night and caught part of that show on Discovery, about the oil drillers in the artic; they'd just had a 'methane bump', where a bubble of methane bursts up the casing, and one guy was standing looking down the well, explaining that they aren't supposed to do that, because if another bubble comes up, it'll blast you off your ass...interesting to note that this breaking of safety procedures was shown in such a casual way...just emphasizes that, despite procedures, the guys on the rigs do things their way, and usually get away with it, but not always.
I don't see anyone going after Exxon or any other oil company. BP owns it, may have contracted someone else to build and install it. But they are responsible.
Exactly; however, you claim that the only incompetence shown was by BP. I doubt that there were many, if any, BP employees on the rig, so I'd venture that the actual 'incompetence' wasn't by BP. But certainly, BP are responsible, yes.
They don't own a thing above their casing. They rent everything from the BOP's up. You don't build a drilling rig for one well.
The Obama administration also conspired with BP to fudge the extent of the oil leak, according to our federal and state sources. After the oil rig exploded and sank, the government stated that 42,000 gallons per day was gushing from the seabed chasm. Five days later, the federal government upped the leakage to 210,000 gallons a day.
However, WMR has been informed that submersibles that are monitoring the escaping oil from the Gulf seabed are viewing television pictures of what is a "volcanic-like" eruption of oil. Moreover, when the Army Corps of Engineers first attempted to obtain NASA imagery of the Gulf oil slick -- which is larger than that being reported by the media -- it was turned down. However, National Geographic managed to obtain the satellite imagery shots of the extent of the disaster and posted them on their web site.
There is other satellite imagery being withheld by the Obama administration that shows what lies under the gaping chasm spewing oil at an ever-alarming rate is a cavern estimated to be around the size of Mount Everest. This information has been given an almost national security-level classification to keep it from the public, according to our sources.The Cover-up: BP's Crude Politics and the Looming Environmental Mega-Disaster
However, WMR has been informed that submersibles that are monitoring the escaping oil from the Gulf seabed are viewing television pictures of what is a "volcanic-like" eruption of oil. Moreover, when the Army Corps of Engineers first attempted to obtain NASA imagery of the Gulf oil slick -- which is larger than that being reported by the media -- it was turned down. However, National Geographic managed to obtain the satellite imagery shots of the extent of the disaster and posted them on their web site.
There is other satellite imagery being withheld by the Obama administration that shows what lies under the gaping chasm spewing oil at an ever-alarming rate is a cavern estimated to be around the size of Mount Everest. This information has been given an almost national security-level classification to keep it from the public, according to our sources.The Cover-up: BP's Crude Politics and the Looming Environmental Mega-Disaster