Are aliens out there? Heavens, I hope so!

[darkbeaver]

You think the aliens have money! You poor poor man. I'm willing to bet right now that trying to get off any planet with a concept like money in the stead of true power would mean automatic disintegration. A vile concept like power from money , in any rational test for sentience, must mean complete failure for that entity and another ten thousand years of war to pound it out of the retarded species.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

If the aliens come all the way to earth as UFO enthusiasts claim (and for what? Just for sightseeing, just for the fun of it?), how are they going to do that without spending considerable amount of resources? That is same as spending money (or its equivalent).

 

[GreenFish66]

Cool Thread ..There out there somewhere ..Or perhaps already here, just in another dimension/space/time/direction..

Over and out there from here..

We're here..and a whole bunch of other "Earthly Aliens"((c)2009 )
Can't all be on 1 planet alone...Must be an egg just waiting to hatch .Produced/Fertilized by A god seed (panspermia ) ..Nurtured by Mother Earth Gia (Mary?)...And so forth ...Many theories and stories about People/Earth/Universe(P.E.U)..

We're not alone ..."They" are here as well as out there...It's all in a/the system... ?

 

[AnnaG]

wow Some people sure have limited imaginations. It looks like Potter expects ETs to make a withdrawal at La Banque Interstellaire so they can fly around. freakin hilarious
Spaceship = 40,000 jiedrynrtgjty
Hiring the pilot = 22 ytjgtrnyrdeij/lightyear
Cost of raygun = 259 ytjgtrnyrdeij
Alien blasting goofs with no imagination = priceless

 

[countryboy]

Does intelligent life exist out there? We don’t know for sure, but the probability is very high that there are hundreds of thousands of intelligent civilizations in our galaxy alone (and universe has many galaxies).

So to that question, we can answer unequivocally, yes (it is an intelligent speculation, of course). As to UFOs, that is total nonsense.

Presumably UFO enthusiasts (or UFO nuts) claim that UFOs are spacecrafts belonging to intelligent civilizations. Then the question arises, if they are going to spend all that money, all that time to come to earth, why wouldn’t they land near the White House, Kremlin or Buckingham palace and make themselves known to humanity? Where is the point in skulking about in dark, deserted areas?

UFO nuts have been at it for a long time. I remember Project Blue Book in the 60s, which came to conclusion that there is nothing to the UFO nonsense. That didn’t stop the UFO enthusiasts of course (I don’t think anything will).

So are you saying that Paul Hellyer is/was a "UFO nut?" The article linked in my post #97 begins with...

...A major Canadian politician has called UFOs the biggest cover-up in history. Paul Hellyer, the Canadian Minister for National Defense from 1963-67, recently gave a speech in Toronto with the title "A Symposium on UFO Disclosure and Planetary Direction."

 

[countryboy]

If that was the objective of the investigation (that he was making it all up), that was the wrong objective. How can you prove something like that?

When it comes to UFOs we must look at the burden of proof. UFO enthusiasts make an outrageous claim (that earth is being repeatedly visited by intelligent, alien civilizations). So it is up to them to prove their claims, it is not up to the scientists to debunk them.

The reason for that is simple, countryboy. We are all subject to hallucinations; many times we are unable to interpret what we see, especially at night in the sky. Even educated people are prone to that. That is why you see UFO sightings by pilots, scientists etc.

That doesn’t mean that there is anything to them. An analogous example would be a magician performing magic tricks. We all get fooled by the magician. Even intelligent, educated people get fooled. Does that mean that there is something to the magic? Of course not.

It the same with UFOs. Our eyes, our vision, our brain plays tricks on us, it happens to the best of us.

Again, if there is anything to the UFO business, let the UFO enthusiast prove their claim (by producing body part of a creature not known to biology, or by producing a metal or construction material unknown to modern science etc.)

You're saying that every eyewitness to every sighting that has been recorded was having illusions. I don't think each and every one of these witnesses were necessarily "UFO enthusiasts" (or "Nuts")...I think some of the were simply reporting what they saw. In some of the cases I've read about, there were multiple witnesses in different locations that reported the same thing...would that be a "mass illusion?"

I believe there have been sightings in both daytime and nighttime.

You said, "So it is up to them to prove their claims, it is not up to the scientists to debunk them." Why is that there seems to be so much time and money spent on doing just that?

I guess you and I differ on this in only respect - I have an open mind, and you don't.

 

[GreenFish66]

Think I Heard someone from newfoundlad tryin to tell me bout an alien or somethin flew right by them der noses (not sure if I got the translation right)..Looked like a big UFO Rocket (or somethin )..

They we're leavin'..( sorry newfs, bad jk ,beautiful country)

Anyone find out what that missle/rocket was all about ?..I didn't pay much attention to it...Was it a French missle test /A Canadian missle test? Just b4 olympics.....

Saw a pic ..Wonder if Anyone thought to follow it backwards ,to see where it came from?..It's TOP SECRET ya know eh!..

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/technology/89570-ufo-attacks-newfoundland.html


You think it would bother Canadians a bit more..But I guess it's to be expected in the drury days of the long Canadian winter...Everyones hibernating or just wishin the winter would end. 1 way or another...8O


Movin' forward....

Bring on the spring ...6 more weeks ..:lol::canada:

 

[Ron in Regina]

8O

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You're saying that every eyewitness to every sighting that has been recorded was having illusions. I don't think each and every one of these witnesses were necessarily "UFO enthusiasts" (or "Nuts")...I think some of the were simply reporting what they saw. In some of the cases I've read about, there were multiple witnesses in different locations that reported the same thing...would that be a "mass illusion?"

I have no doubt that they saw something, countryboy. I have problem with their interpretation, that what they saw represented spacecraft by alien civilization.

Same thing with multiple witnesses. They probably see a ball of light streaking across the sky. But from that, how does one come to the conclusion that the ball represents an alien spacecraft?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So are you saying that Paul Hellyer is/was a "UFO nut?" The article linked in my post #97 begins with...

...A major Canadian politician has called UFOs the biggest cover-up in history. Paul Hellyer, the Canadian Minister for National Defense from 1963-67, recently gave a speech in Toronto with the title "A Symposium on UFO Disclosure and Planetary Direction."

I don't know about Paul Hellyer. However, even a politician is susceptible to imagination and illusions.

 

[countryboy]

I don't know about Paul Hellyer. However, even a politician is susceptible to imagination and illusions.

I found it interesting that he is a former Minister of National Defense and thus, would likely have some access and insight into "official" records and other information that we, the public (including UFO "nuts") would not be aware of...

 

[missile]

I can only think of a few possible reason for any alien to visit this planet..to study us or to use us for food.[have read too many scifi novels!]

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I can only think of a few possible reason for any alien to visit this planet..to study us or to use us for food.[have read too many scifi novels!]

Reminds me of a sci fi story I once read. Aliens land on earth and proclaim their friendly relations towards inhabitants of earth. Then invite some of the earth people to visit their planet. They even write a book in their own language ‘How to serve man’.

One of the men has learned the alien language. He gets hold of a copy of the book (strictly unauthorized). He finds out that ‘How to serve man’ is a cook book.

 

[darkbeaver]

If the aliens come all the way to earth as UFO enthusiasts claim (and for what? Just for sightseeing, just for the fun of it?), how are they going to do that without spending considerable amount of resources? That is same as spending money (or its equivalent).

There is no equivalent to power. There are facsimiles though. Why would intelligence hamstring a galactic spanning project with the money concept? I say they wouldn't let money screw up the profit margin.

IMO :canada:

 

[Eutaphodia]

Peru has many sighting of UFOs for some reason. Also heard, children and adults in Peru who were inoculated with flu shots lost their ability to see UFO's flying around. People who were not inoculated are still able to clearly see UFO's.It is possible - if UFOs wanted to transport millions of lives through space, just harvest and transport millions of samples of their species DNA, which is then combined with our influenza shots which is then injected into human hosts to replicate into their own species. Instead of cloning, we are becoming a viral-hybrid of half human and half alien.

 

[Cliffy]

Peru has many sighting of UFOs for some reason. Also heard, children and adults in Peru who were inoculated with flu shots lost their ability to see UFO's flying around. People who were not inoculated are still able to clearly see UFO's.It is possible - if UFOs wanted to transport millions of lives through space, just harvest and transport millions of samples of their species DNA, which is then combined with our influenza shots which is then injected into human hosts to replicate into their own species. Instead of cloning, we are becoming a viral-hybrid of half human and half alien.

That is just silly. We are already half alien. It says so in the bible: the Elohim came down to Earth and laid with the daughters of man. Perhaps they have returned to complete the transition.

 

[petros]

That is just silly. We are already half alien. It says so in the bible: the Elohim came down to Earth and laid with the daughters of man. Perhaps they have returned to complete the transition.

Are you sure the Elohim were male and took daughters because we always see the mother and child without man being around depicted in art in all pre jew religions.

 

[petros]

Just because something is odd and high tech doesn't means it's alien. A species that is related to man isn't alien at all.

 

[countryboy]

Just to add some 'fun' to the discussion, here are a couple of comments by a guy named Clifford Stone, taken from an interview with him in 2006:

On space travel time & distance (by aliens):

"Real-time, from the time they leave, and there’s a little nice thing about that, from the time they leave their home planet which is in a star system about 100 light years from planet Earth, in real-time travel, it is an hour and forty minutes from the time they leave and the time they arrive here."

On mode of transportation:

"It’s a craft. They are really traveling. But it’s through a traversable…what we call a traversable wormhole."

The complete interview is at: Project Camelot | Clifford Stone transcript

Same guy, different interview...(On alien races)

"57 different races?"
"Yes, we have identified 57."

This one is at: UFOexperiences: CLIFFORD STONE INTERVIEW

 

[Eutaphodia]

That is just silly. We are already half alien. It says so in the bible: the Elohim came down to Earth and laid with the daughters of man. Perhaps they have returned to complete the transition.

OK - The Elohim, meaning El (the gods) of Ohim may be of one race, [also note Israel – god of Isra (Ishtara = Venus)] which I believe the human race is a species of half earth race and of another alien race. So why couldn't a rival race or species (if possible) want to use our human race (species) here on earth to repopulate their race (species)? If it would take many years to transport a whole alien species with their many races across many galaxies, wouldn’t transporting their alien DNA be easier than transporting actual beings.?