Are aliens out there? Heavens, I hope so!

petros

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Lack of evidence is lack of evidence. If there was evidence for creation and no evidence for evolution, then we'd be thinking the other way around.

Who knows what future people might think?
There is no lack of evidence just a lack of acceptance. All the old texts worldwide wouldn't say the same thing and people wouldn't gather on Sunday morning to talk about it.
 

Spade

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Let's not be too credulous about that video, Spade. A little research into that JAL UFO report would have shown you that two other aircraft were vectored into the vicinity of that flight, UA flight 69 and a C-130 military plane, they all saw each other but only the JAL crew saw anything else. When the JAL pilot reported the UFO was directly in front of UA 69, pilots on the latter flight saw nothing there. Human perceptions of unrecognized objects are notoriously unreliable. If you don't know what something is and there's nothing familiar around it, as would be the case with an object in the sky, you can make no reliable estimate of its size, distance, or movements. Odds are the JAL pilot was misperceiving Jupiter and Mars, which at the time would have been low on the horizon, very bright, and in the direction he reported seeing the UFOs.

My credulity has been impugned!
UFO - The Shag Harbour Incident - Channel: UKUFO on LiveVideo.com
 

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There is no lack of evidence just a lack of acceptance. All the old texts worldwide wouldn't say the same thing and people wouldn't gather on Sunday morning to talk about it.
Nah. It's a lack of evidence. All there is that show gods to have been in existence is hearsay. Hearsay is not evidence except in law courts and that has to do with guilt or innocence (implying that existence isn't in question).
 
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My credulity has been impugned!
I think you mean credibility, don't you? Credibility is a good thing to have, credulity is not. Shag Harbour's one of those interesting ones that no can really say anything definitive about, all I've ever seen about it is a few eyewitness accounts of something that looked like an aircraft hitting the water and sinking before anyone could get to it. Plus a lot of ill-informed and over-excited speculation that doesn't mean anything. Nothing was ever recovered from the site as far as I know, no debris, no artifacts, no bodies, nothing, it left not a trace.
 

Dexter Sinister

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... people wouldn't gather on Sunday morning to talk about it.
Sure they would. The number of people who believe something to be true has nothing to do with whether it's really true or not. People are subject to many kinds of misperceptions and cognitive distortions and errors in thinking, that's why scientific procedures have such elaborate safeguards against such things.
 

Spade

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I think you mean credibility, don't you? Credibility is a good thing to have, credulity is not. Shag Harbour's one of those interesting ones that no can really say anything definitive about, all I've ever seen about it is a few eyewitness accounts of something that looked like an aircraft hitting the water and sinking before anyone could get to it. Plus a lot of ill-informed and over-excited speculation that doesn't mean anything. Nothing was ever recovered from the site as far as I know, no debris, no artifacts, no bodies, nothing, it left not a trace.

You, sir, are far too literal.
 

Cliffy

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Doesn't mean it's likely either. There's no good evidence of civilizations here more technologically advanced than ours, so there's no reason to think there have been.
At least none that you are willing to acknowledge with your present understanding of technology and science. There are plenty of enigma surrounding much of archaeology that gets left out of the theoretical science because it doesn't fit into our narrow view of possibilities, such as the laser precision of the rock cuts in Mayan and Aztec structures.

I am tending to agree with DB in regards to science being just as dogmatic as religion - it is the new religion. After spending almost twenty years studying many available archaeological and anthropological reports on aboriginal peoples I found that many of the academia were as entrenched in out dated modes and theories as any religious fundamentalist.
 

Dexter Sinister

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So being advanced hinges upon the amount of technology?
No, I didn't say that either, and I don't think it's true. I think, for instance, that Victorian ethics were superior in some ways to what passes for ethics these days, though I don't know that the Victorians were any better at honouring their ethics than we are. But if we're talking about being technologically advanced, and we were, then yes, pretty much by definition being advanced hinges on the technology.
 

Bar Sinister

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Well, then neither of you really know anything about it.

True - there is a vast difference between religious dogma and science. Religious dogma by its very nature cannot be changed or even properly examined without drawing considerable acrimony from the religious authorities. Science on the other hand invites challenges and as a result is capable of being modified to accept new information or evidence that refutes it completely.
 

darkbeaver

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I've never suggested otherwise, and that's not the point anyway. The point is that there's no evidence of any civilization that knew more than, or even close to as much as, we do about physics, chemistry, biology, mathematics, engineering, and the technologies we can produce with them.

Lathe machined diorite vases commonly found in Eygpt by the hundreds, very beautiful very precise cutting. That suggests precision bearings and precision speed control and very hard cutting tools. A thing like Cheops screams technological power. Even to the sand ramp and slave builder crowd.

There is no evidence that our civilization knows more than any previous civilization. Here we can apply the scientific method. Where is your evidence? Science already points to humans being engineered, exactly what we are doing with plants and animals today with science. If history repeats itself then it follows that civilization repeats itself then because of the narrow spectrum we are confined to technology has no choice but to repeat itself, usually in emulation of animals at the beginning, birds invoke aircraft fish invoke hunter killer submarines. History repeats itself. You should have that tatooed on your big hairy arm. When will it sink in ?
 

darkbeaver

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True - there is a vast difference between religious dogma and science. Religious dogma by its very nature cannot be changed or even properly examined without drawing considerable acrimony from the religious authorities. Science on the other hand invites challenges and as a result is capable of being modified to accept new information or evidence that refutes it completely.
The BB is religion. The BB is not science. The BB is and was a religious device. The BB is just another creation story, sure it has blinking lights and stage fog and an exciting sound track but it's just a new age creation story, and a very unimaginitive one at that.
 
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Lathe machined diorite vases ... Cheops screams technological power...
There are other explanations for those things that you could easily find if you bothered to look, you've just accepted the first explanations that suit your prejudices. You wouldn't recognize dogma if it barked and bit you.
 

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No, I didn't say that either, and I don't think it's true. I think, for instance, that Victorian ethics were superior in some ways to what passes for ethics these days, though I don't know that the Victorians were any better at honouring their ethics than we are. But if we're talking about being technologically advanced, and we were, then yes, pretty much by definition being advanced hinges on the technology.
I don't think the amount of technology has anything to do with how advanced it is either. And I agree that being "advanced" is a relative term. But Anna does have a point that we are not as advanced in some ways; as in her calendar example, for instance. I'd add that the treatment of Earth was better before than now, too, even if it was mainly due to the fact that there were fewer people to screw it up. lol People seem to have lost a lot of reverence for Earth in the past couple hundred years.