Apache finds massive Canadian shale-gas field

lone wolf

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I dont belong to a clique like you,your handle is a lie,you need a pack to function where as I dont.
Some of you guys and gals are the first to whine here about free speech but when someone(like me) questions your agenda on certain topics you go on the attack.

Too funny,the agenda on most topics is pretty obvious by the op posted by a member.
I love the fact that when I question anything I get a response like that from lone wolf,clearly he has some issues to deal with in his own life.
Grow up,put your hate the oil/gas/Alberta industry and maybe we can move forward to make Canada a better place,why do so many people want to hinder this?

You're the one manufacturing hate for oil and Alberta from aversion to Ka-Ka bullshyte....

ETA: Are you really that afraid of questions? I ask because I don't know everything nor do I have every answer. If you want to read challenge to some sort of authority in question, or hate for oil and Alberta in another question or observation based on a little knowledge, I'd suggest the issues are not mine to deal with.

It's amazing how many muckers think the answers all revolve around them....
 
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Goober

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I dont belong to a clique like you,your handle is a lie,you need a pack to function where as I dont.
Some of you guys and gals are the first to whine here about free speech but when someone(like me) questions your agenda on certain topics you go on the attack.

Too funny,the agenda on most topics is pretty obvious by the op posted by a member.
I love the fact that when I question anything I get a response like that from lone wolf,clearly he has some issues to deal with in his own life.
Grow up,put your hate the oil/gas/Alberta industry and maybe we can move forward to make Canada a better place,why do so many people want to hinder this?


Ya they do,and inspectors have portable soil test kits to make sure your seperating the soils right.

How many tests do they perform on the water samples- How often do they return to areas that were fracked to ensure water quality.

In the field with the little box they carry around- compared to a well equipped Lab- Which tests would should a constant rate of accuracy. Riddle me that OK.

And drop the insults-
 

Kakato

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How many tests do they perform on the water samples- How often do they return to areas that were fracked to ensure water quality.

In the field with the little box they carry around- compared to a well equipped Lab- Which tests would should a constant rate of accuracy. Riddle me that OK.

And drop the insults-
Too many inspectors and enviro guys and gals on any site.
Sometimes 2 for every worker,it's a money pit,dont bitch when your paying 7 bucks a gallon next year.
 

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Too many inspectors and enviro guys and gals on any site.
Sometimes 2 for every worker,it's a money pit,dont bitch when your paying 7 bucks a gallon next year.

Why do they have so many- Also asked some questions

Next one- Some companies are better than others at safety- following laid procedures, regs and laws- and such- yes or no.
 

Kakato

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The wells will be drilled regardless of what the peeps fighting development do,it may cost more but some wells can only be drilled within a certain time frame of 2 months a year.Those will be drilled and the price will be passed on to the consumer,then you can start 5 more threads about how big oil is gouging you.

The big oil companies love you guys that bitch and whine,it gives them a reason to up the price and make even more money.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Jheeesh.

They all follow the same rules,thats why theres so many inspectors on each site,their cheaper then a $100,000 fine for enviro damage,then the inspector is liable.
 

Goober

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The wells will be drilled regardless of what the peeps fighting development do,it may cost more but some wells can only be drilled within a certain time frame of 2 months a year.Those will be drilled and the price will be passed on to the consumer,then you can start 5 more threads about how big oil is gouging you.

The big oil companies love you guys that bitch and whine,it gives them a reason to up the price and make even more money.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Jheeesh.

That is what I would call a PPA- Piss Poor Answer- Nothing you have stated answers any of the points I have brought forward.
 

Kakato

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I answered it,the law is followed to the letter.

One inspector for every line,one inspector for every company,one inspector for the reclamation company,one enviro inspector for the oil company and one for the government.

Milk job,dont bitch when gas hits 7 bucks a gallon.
 

Goober

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I answered it,the law is followed to the letter.

One inspector for every line,one inspector for every company,one inspector for the reclamation company,one enviro inspector for the oil company and one for the government.

Milk job,dont bitch when gas hits 7 bucks a gallon.

With all the oil coming on line - wont hit 7.
 

Kakato

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Why do they have so many- Also asked some questions

Next one- Some companies are better than others at safety- following laid procedures, regs and laws- and such- yes or no.
Why so many inspectors? Due diligence.

With all the oil coming on line - wont hit 7.
Want to bet?

You cant stop an exploration program that was planned 8 years ago and has only 2 months to complete the holes,you can quadruple the price of the well though as an activist,the price is allways passed on to the consumer.
 
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Kakato

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Hmm, that's an interesting admission. Doing a good and thorough job is too much...
Nope,she's all on video,you should get out of the lab dude,see what's really happening out in the patch....then feel free to comment on how thorough of a job we are doing.
The only reason I posted so much on this topic today is because it just blows me mind me b'ye on all the bull-****e I have seen about the patch the last week from folks who have never set a foot on Alberta clay.

You say your a researcher? Well bud your not a very good one if you cant keep an open mind and drop your agenda.

Your graphs are very pretty but maybe you should come get a bit dirty and do some real research.

Field work,graphs are for those that havent been there!
 

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Fracking Safety Improves Dramatically, Says Independent Study


Fracking is getting safer and should present no major environmental problems in New York when the state allows drilling to commence—that’s the headline from a university-funded study released today by the Shale Resources and Society Institute at the University of Buffalo.

A team of researchers from UB, University of Wyoming and Penn State University examined violations at almost 4,000 natural gas wells in Pennsylvania between January 2008 and August 2011. The peer-reviewed study found approximately two-thirds of the 3,000 violations were administrative, 38 percent were environmental, and only 25 were deemed “major,” defined as site restoration failures, serious contamination of water supplies, major land spills, blowouts and venting and gas migration.

The majority were “due to operator error, negligence, or a failure to follow proper procedures when drilling,” according to the report. “This suggests that the industry has room for improvement, and the frequency of environmental events can be reduced,” the authors wrote.

The safety profile of hydraulic fracturing has improved dramatically in Pennsylvania since 2008. Environmental violations as a percentage of wells drilled dropped by more than half over the course of the years examined. The study—the first based on comprehensive data rather than on anecdotal claims or selective reports—contradicts claims by anti-fracking groups that shale gas extraction is poorly regulated in Pennsylvania and that the environmental dangers are increasing.

“This study presents a compelling case that state oversight of oil and gas regulation has been effective,” said University of Wyoming economics professor Timothy Considine, who was the lead author. “Regulatory learning and technological progress has been considerable over the past four years.”

“While prior research has anecdotally reviewed state regulations, now we have comprehensive data that demonstrates, without ambiguity, that state regulation coupled with improvements in industry practices results in a low risk of an environmental event occurring in shale development, and the risks continue to diminish year after year,” Considine added.

Horizontal hydraulic drilling uses water mixed with minute quantities of chemicals to crack shale and release gas. High-volume fracking is a hot issue in New York, which currently bans the process. Regulations proposed last year in preliminary form by the Department of Environmental Conservation are still under review.

John Martin, co-author of the report and director of the newly founded shale gas institute, said the incidents could have been avoided or lessened under New York’s proposed regulatory framework.

“New York’s current regulations would prevent or mitigate each of the identified major environmental events that occurred in Pennsylvania,” Martin said. “It’s important that states continue to learn from the regulatory experience—both strengths and weaknesses—of others.”

Jon Entine is a Senior Fellow at the Center for Health and Risk Communication and at STATS at George Mason University.
 

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Fracking Safety Improves Dramatically, Says Independent Study


Fracking is getting safer and should present no major environmental problems in New York when the state allows drilling to commence—that’s the headline from a university-funded study released today by the Shale Resources and Society Institute at the University of Buffalo.

A team of researchers from UB, University of Wyoming and Penn State University examined violations at almost 4,000 natural gas wells in Pennsylvania between January 2008 and August 2011. The peer-reviewed study found approximately two-thirds of the 3,000 violations were administrative, 38 percent were environmental, and only 25 were deemed “major,” defined as site restoration failures, serious contamination of water supplies, major land spills, blowouts and venting and gas migration.

The majority were “due to operator error, negligence, or a failure to follow proper procedures when drilling,” according to the report. “This suggests that the industry has room for improvement, and the frequency of environmental events can be reduced,” the authors wrote.

The safety profile of hydraulic fracturing has improved dramatically in Pennsylvania since 2008. Environmental violations as a percentage of wells drilled dropped by more than half over the course of the years examined. The study—the first based on comprehensive data rather than on anecdotal claims or selective reports—contradicts claims by anti-fracking groups that shale gas extraction is poorly regulated in Pennsylvania and that the environmental dangers are increasing.

“This study presents a compelling case that state oversight of oil and gas regulation has been effective,” said University of Wyoming economics professor Timothy Considine, who was the lead author. “Regulatory learning and technological progress has been considerable over the past four years.”

“While prior research has anecdotally reviewed state regulations, now we have comprehensive data that demonstrates, without ambiguity, that state regulation coupled with improvements in industry practices results in a low risk of an environmental event occurring in shale development, and the risks continue to diminish year after year,” Considine added.

Horizontal hydraulic drilling uses water mixed with minute quantities of chemicals to crack shale and release gas. High-volume fracking is a hot issue in New York, which currently bans the process. Regulations proposed last year in preliminary form by the Department of Environmental Conservation are still under review.

John Martin, co-author of the report and director of the newly founded shale gas institute, said the incidents could have been avoided or lessened under New York’s proposed regulatory framework.

“New York’s current regulations would prevent or mitigate each of the identified major environmental events that occurred in Pennsylvania,” Martin said. “It’s important that states continue to learn from the regulatory experience—both strengths and weaknesses—of others.”

Jon Entine is a Senior Fellow at the Center for Health and Risk Communication and at STATS at George Mason University.

Water supply and free from contamination is the no 1 issue.
 

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Nope,she's all on video,you should get out of the lab dude,see what's really happening out in the patch....then feel free to comment on how thorough of a job we are doing.

I commented on how you feel doing a good job is too much. Back peddle... Back peddle!

You say your a researcher?

Yeah, I deal with facts. Someone posts something and you change the subject to cows. Is anyone actually saying farmers should be able to do whatever they like? Out here they get fined for polluting water, tens of thousands of dollars for fish kills. Maybe Alberta needs to get with the times.

Well bud your not a very good one if you cant keep an open mind and drop your agenda.

Blah blah blah...you parrot that agenda line like a trusty side arm. Everyone has an agenda. You obviously do too. My agenda is simply that if a company proposes a project, that they can show quantitatively that it has reduced the risks. Is that so hard?

The regulators won't let us make sweeping statements. We have to show drug residues have cleared. We have to show that the product is safe to use. We have to show our customers that it won't harm their products.

Your regulators were protecting you by not releasing the monitoring data, and they were publicly bitch slapped by the courts for that.

My mind is open, show me the data. Oh wait, not even the regulators are willing to have their data audited. Though at least even they have admitted there are risks to shallow fracturing projects. According to you the fracturing is all deep, well below the aquifers were drinking water comes from. Then we present you with cases where, well it's not the case at all. Back to cows and ranchers.

Circle the wagon and rose coloured glasses. lol

Or maybe they aren't rose coloured glasses at all: