Another Tamil ship on its way to our shores

[DurkaDurka]

"Police killings of criminal suspects
intensified...." Since you chopped off the end of the sentence and didn't link to this story I guess I'll just have to fill in the blanks.

How does killing of criminal suspects = genocide or slaughter?
Who are the "criminal suspects"? Since your truncated sentence doesn't indicate.
Are all Tamil's criminals since you seem to think that all Tamil's are being slaughtered?

 

[CDNBear]

I have a question...

Why did I get this when I searched Sri Lanka at the AI website?

There is no Amnesty International presence in this country

There is no Amnesty International presence in this country | Amnesty International

Hmmm, seems not just eao is going on second hand info, the place he gets his second hand info is going on second hand info.

Would that make eao's info Ganesh?

 

[EagleSmack]

I see the Tamil refugee problem as an international problem requiring an international response. Considering that Canada has absorbed 200,000 Tamils so far, I feel Canada has absorbed its fair share. Since the US is 10xs the size of Canada, they would have to absorb 2,000,000 Tamils to make a similar level of effort as Canada. Instead the US has only absorbed 100,000 Tamils, about half of Canada's absolute effort or 1/20 of Canada's relative effort. Europe and Australia are also slacking off about as much as the US.

Did you factor in the amount of Mexican and Central Americans we have absorbed or are you simply going to hang your hat on Tamils?

Amazing how we HAVE to provide a home for everyone.

 

[CDNBear]

Did you factor in the amount of Mexican and Central Americans we have absorbed or are you simply going to hang your hat on Tamils?

Where else would he hang his hat?

His ass is hanging on the hat rack.

Amazing how we HAVE to provide a home for everyone.

Dude, when are you going to figure out, if ain't the Joos, it's you Yankees...

 

[EagleSmack]

Where else would he hang his hat?

His ass is hanging on the hat rack.

Dude, when are you going to figure out, if ain't the Joos, it's you Yankees...

And you know what, I would not even know where to begin to figure out how many Mexicans and Central Americans Canada would have to absorb to...according to him, not me... do their fair share and stop slacking.

That is one thing that SJP said that I agreed with...

"You guys have a real problem down there with illegal immigration. I am glad there is a buffer between Mexico and Canada"

 

[earth_as_one]

Sorry here is the link for the AI 2010 annual report regarding Sri Lanka:
http://thereport.amnesty.org/sites/default/files/AIR2010_AZ_EN.pdf#page=248

Just an oversight on my part. I read it and it sounds pretty brutal. Enforced disappearance, torture, summary execution. Want to see the movie?
Video: Slaughter in Sri Lanka - Times Online

The Sri Lankan government has demonstrated little regard for their adversaries, their families and anyone caught in the crossfire. If the war had gone the other way, I have no doubt the LTTE would be just as brutal and we'd be recieving boatloads of Sinhalese.

Actually I'd accept the US not absorbing many Tamil's if they were absorbing their fair share of Iraqi refugees. That American unprovoked war of aggression displaced over 4.7 million Iraqis. Iraq's neighbors absorbed millions of these people. The US has only absorbed 69 Iraqi refugees.

 

[Bcool]

Did you factor in the amount of Mexican and Central Americans we have absorbed or are you simply going to hang your hat on Tamils?

I wouldn't even go there if I were you. We hear the racist skewing of history and facts and outright lies of your Republican/Tea Party hate-mongers; the attempts to impose racial "laws" specifically designed to target and imprison minorities based on their ethnicity in Arizona - to even throw back across the armed fences you've built on the lands that were historically theirs, not yours, children born in the US and their families. We hear and watch, the world hears and watches, and the respect which the US could and should have in the world if it truly adhered to its much vaunted Constitution plummets yet further downwards.

Amazing how we HAVE to provide a home for everyone.

I would not call it a home when it is, in essence, a huge pool of below poverty line paid workers, essential to the US economy for decades but now, due to Bush's callous & disasterous economic mismanagement, they are no longer wanted & are being morphed into the culprits responsible for your present Bush created unemployment problems. Where was your indignation about their presence in your country when your industries, agriculture, middle class & the wealthy could not function without them, but also ensured they had no access to health care, safety & employment standards, education, police protection....

Once the US also provided a home for your family either recently or generations ago.

The statement still is valid, despite the usual diversionary evasion of the statistic. The US does not live up to its Human Rights signature on refugee intake agreements.

________________
-- "Last year's environmentalist is this year's tree cutting cabin builder."

 

[Curiosity]

Bcool - resident of the misinformed collective

One certain way to bring a nation to its knees is to allow massive numbers of undocumented humans into its nation without legal procedures.

Labor, school, housing, child care and education, health care, all those little 'necessities' apportioned out carefully for the legal residents can suffer under an overburdened, underfunded system.

Do you espouse "take from the wealthy to care for the poor". How does this fit into
the reality that some people have made no effort to legalize their entrance as are
most new immigrants expected to do and fulfill that obligation, some waiting years.

I suggest if you really care you would pursue some real knowledge of your "battle cry" cause and cease damning people or legalities you are unfamiliar with.

You have a good mind - I don't propose to change it - only your announced "reasoning" why you feel any nation should be overwhelmed by undocumented humans at the expense of those who will pick up the tab along with their children - for years and years to come.

Yes it is a way to bring a nation to its knees.

 

[JLM]

Bcool - resident of the misinformed collective

One certain way to bring a nation to its knees is to allow massive numbers of undocumented humans into its nation without legal procedures.

Labor, school, housing, child care and education, health care, all those little 'necessities' apportioned out carefully for the legal residents can suffer under an overburndened, underfunded system.

I suggest if you really care you would pursue some real knowledge of your "battle cry" cause and cease damning people or legalities you are unfamiliar with.

You have a good mind - I don't propose to change it - only your announced "reasoning" why you feel any nation should be overwhelmed by undocumented humans at the expense of those who will pick up the tab along with their children - for years and years to come.

Yes it is a way to bring a nation to its knees.

You are absolutely right Curio. I'm not sure what the answer to it all is. I see the only realistic solution is to treat the refugees and return them to health and to deport them. As far as the perpetrators are concerned, they should be dealt with swiftly and severely, so that no one else will ever get the idea of smuggling humans to our country again. The main problem is the cost but I suppose if we have to incarcerate one or two of the ringleaders here for life so be it- it's the only way to ensure adequate punishment. I wonder if there is such a thing as an international prison- that is where they realistically belong.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Bcool - resident of the misinformed collective

One certain way to bring a nation to its knees is to allow massive numbers of undocumented humans into its nation without legal procedures.

Labor, school, housing, child care and education, health care, all those little 'necessities' apportioned out carefully for the legal residents can suffer under an overburdened, underfunded system.

Do you espouse "take from the wealthy to care for the poor". How does this fit into
the reality that some people have made no effort to legalize their entrance as are
most new immigrants expected to do and fulfill that obligation, some waiting years.

I suggest if you really care you would pursue some real knowledge of your "battle cry" cause and cease damning people or legalities you are unfamiliar with.

You have a good mind - I don't propose to change it - only your announced "reasoning" why you feel any nation should be overwhelmed by undocumented humans at the expense of those who will pick up the tab along with their children - for years and years to come.

Yes it is a way to bring a nation to its knees.

Great post, Curio. I have trouble understanding why some people choose to selectively ignore our laws when convenient.

 

[Curiosity]

JLM

My family who were all elderly when the stories of WWII circulated especially from the people who had large farms in Alberta (my father's homestead) - who took in refugees from the British Isles and other families who had lost everything but waited years to be accepted into Canada.

I am in touch with some of the ones who came later on as did I - some returned to their homes in Europe and the U.K. and some fell in love with Canada and remained.

There is an honorable way to enter a new land - even in fear of death - my family saw it - emaciated kids who cried when they were given apples to chew on and even those who thought "corn on the cob" was animal food - learned to enjoy and love it!! Fresh fruit was something a few of the children had never tasted.

I am an immigrant and I respect I was accepted by my new land although it had none of the hardships many immigrants experience. There is one common law all immigrants should respect - that is the acceptance
legally into an adopted nation.

Durka Thank you!

 

[CDNBear]

Bcool - resident of the misinformed collective

One certain way to bring a nation to its knees is to allow massive numbers of undocumented humans into its nation without legal procedures.

Labor, school, housing, child care and education, health care, all those little 'necessities' apportioned out carefully for the legal residents can suffer under an overburdened, underfunded system.

Do you espouse "take from the wealthy to care for the poor". How does this fit into
the reality that some people have made no effort to legalize their entrance as are
most new immigrants expected to do and fulfill that obligation, some waiting years.

I suggest if you really care you would pursue some real knowledge of your "battle cry" cause and cease damning people or legalities you are unfamiliar with.

You have a good mind - I don't propose to change it - only your announced "reasoning" why you feel any nation should be overwhelmed by undocumented humans at the expense of those who will pick up the tab along with their children - for years and years to come.

Yes it is a way to bring a nation to its knees.

Why can't I say that as nice as you.

Every time I try, it always comes out..."You're a moron".

Oh ... it won't be your last. Ignore is one thing. N'ya n'ya from the perceived safety of an Ignore list bunker is another. Those folks tend to draw verbal buckshot. If you don't like having your ass peppered, don't put it on a limb where it will a target.

Remind you of anyone we know Lone?

 

[Colpy]

Kevin Libin: What Australia can teach us about the Tamil asylum seekers | Full Comment | National Post

 

[CDNBear]

Kevin Libin: What Australia can teach us about the Tamil asylum seekers | Full Comment | National Post

Awesome!

 

[EagleSmack]

I wouldn't even go there if I were you. We hear the racist skewing of history and facts and outright lies of your Republican/Tea Party hate-mongers; the attempts to impose racial "laws" specifically designed to target and imprison minorities based on their ethnicity in Arizona - to even throw back across the armed fences you've built on the lands that were historically theirs, not yours, children born in the US and their families. We hear and watch, the world hears and watches, and the respect which the US could and should have in the world if it truly adhered to its much vaunted Constitution plummets yet further downwards.

Guzzling the Kool Aid are you?

Once the US also provided a home for your family either recently or generations ago.

No, it actually didn't. Once my ancestors came down they provided a home for themselves. They earned money and actually paid for it from the sweat of their brows. No government assistance.

It is a neat concept.

The statement still is valid, despite the usual diversionary evasion of the statistic. The US does not live up to its Human Rights signature on refugee intake agreements.

Oh brother. Millions and millions here illegally and recieving assistance, free health care, housing. Heck in Massachusetts our governor wants to give free college tuition to illegal immigrants. What a country!

________________
-- "Last year's environmentalist is this year's tree cutting cabin builder."[/QUOTE]

We hear and watch, the world hears and watches,

And they keep coming, each year by the millions.

What message are they hearing then?

and the respect which the US could and should have in the world if it truly adhered to its much vaunted Constitution plummets yet further downwards.

And where in the Constitution says that we have to take in every refugee, every person who needs a job, provide public housing and free health care for whatever ails them?

 

[VanIsle]

SHIP CARRYING 500 PASSENGERS DOCKS AT CFB ESQUIMALT (this morning near Victoria, BC)
VICTORIA - A ship carrying nearly 500 migrants docked this morning at CFB Esquimalt near Victoria, sailing into a vigorous debate about how Canada should treat them.
The MV Sun Sea was intercepted off Vancouver Island on Thursday and boarded by Canadians from a flotilla of vessels, including the frigate HMCS Winnipeg.
The ship became visible from land as it was entering Esquimalt harbour around 6:10 a.m. local time, shortly after sunrise.
Several other vessels were moving near the ship, while members of Canada's Tamil community were on the shore with reporters.
"I'm quite surprised at the size of the ship," said Gary Anandasangaree, a lawyer with the Canadian Tamil Congress.
"I was expecting it to be much larger given the number of people."
"It clearly gives us an idea of the type of conditions that could have been inside. Very cramped, given the size."
He said it was "quite a moving experience actually, when you see …

Read full story >

 

[EagleSmack]

I suppose you can say...

"Welcome to Canada"

...at this point.

So thats two Tamil ships. Any word on ships #3 and #4?

 

[VanIsle]

As I understand it, the next 2 ships are waiting to see what reception this one gets. Not to be cruel but I believe their sick should be attended to and then they should be supplied with food and water and sent back home so that ships 2 and 3 know not to set sail.

 

[lone wolf]

Agreed ... but we both know that's not about to happen. Canada will preserve its reputation - no matter how many illegals wipe their boots on our backs.

 

[VanIsle]

JLM

My family who were all elderly when the stories of WWII circulated especially from the people who had large farms in Alberta (my father's homestead) - who took in refugees from the British Isles and other families who had lost everything but waited years to be accepted into Canada.

I am in touch with some of the ones who came later on as did I - some returned to their homes in Europe and the U.K. and some fell in love with Canada and remained.

There is an honorable way to enter a new land - even in fear of death - my family saw it - emaciated kids who cried when they were given apples to chew on and even those who thought "corn on the cob" was animal food - learned to enjoy and love it!! Fresh fruit was something a few of the children had never tasted.

I am an immigrant and I respect I was accepted by my new land although it had none of the hardships many immigrants experience. There is one common law all immigrants should respect - that is the acceptance
legally into an adopted nation.

Durka Thank you!

This is a bit of a weird response. I thought I was responding to Curio but I'm not entirely sure now. I don't know where Durka's name fits into this or where it came from. So - I'll just respond.
I assume by acceptance, you mean to truly adopt this new counry of Canada as your own. Acceptance to me is just that and not people trying to change this land into the one they came from. We live in such a politically correct country that the concept is now beginning to create racism. I believe any non-criminal person who wants to live in this country as a true Canadian, not asking us to change our ways and beliefs, should have the right to do so, providing, they can work and provide for themselves. If they have come here to put a drain on our resources (such as health care and welfare) then again, they need to return to their native land.