Another Tamil ship on its way to our shores

[earth_as_one]

Just out of curiosity, if they're so vulnerable and helpless, how the heck did they get the means and resources to get a ship, equip it, stock it, fuel it, and sail half-way round the world?

And why didn't they go to Brazil? Brazil has a climate closer to what they'd be used to, and Brazil is one of those nations classified as still having a frontier.

or Australia, I get your point.

The Tamil Diaspora
India: 63,000,000
Sri Lanka: 3,600,000
Malaysia: 2,000,000
Burma: 500,000[citation needed]
South Africa: over 1,000,000
Canada: 200,000
Singapore: 410,000
United Kingdom: 300,000
Réunion: 226,000
Mauritius: 130,000
Italy: 100,000
United States: 100,000
France: 60,000
Germany: 60,000
Australia: 40,000
Switzerland: 50,000
Norway: 12,000
Sweden: 10,000
Denmark: 7,000

Tamil diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IMO, The US and Australia aren't picking up their fair share.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Brazil doesn't have a Pacific coast?

Not the last time I looked, the Andes are in the way. :lol:

 

[lone wolf]

Not the last time I looked, the Andes are in the way. :lol:

I know ... and probably the best of reasons they didn't head there.

 

[Omicron]

Brazil doesn't have a Pacific coast?

Not the last time I looked, the Andes are in the way. :lol:

He meant that as a rhetorical question.

 

[DurkaDurka]

integration into Canada.



The result would be a slaughter. Even though Canada wouldn't be butchering these men, women and children, we would be an accessory to the crime.

Integration? Are you kidding me, the majority of Tamil's live in Scarborough, stick to their own and do anything but integrate.

Yeah, you're such an expert on the Tamil plight. Have you been to Sri-Lanka, can you prove beyond a doubt these people would be slaughtered? The fact that you go so far as to implicate Canadian's as being accessory is ridiculous. Your convenient views of where laws should apply is almost laughable.

You are a joke, Earth.

or Australia, I get your point.

The Tamil Diaspora
India: 63,000,000
Sri Lanka: 3,600,000
Malaysia: 2,000,000
Burma: 500,000[citation needed]
South Africa: over 1,000,000
Canada: 200,000
Singapore: 410,000
United Kingdom: 300,000
Réunion: 226,000
Mauritius: 130,000
Italy: 100,000
United States: 100,000
France: 60,000
Germany: 60,000
Australia: 40,000
Switzerland: 50,000
Norway: 12,000
Sweden: 10,000
Denmark: 7,000

Tamil diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IMO, The US and Australia aren't picking up their fair share.

Fair Share? You act like the world owes the Tamil's something.

 

[JLM]

AFP: US, Canada monitor ship said full of Sri Lankan refugees[/URL]

I expect Canada's Tamil community will play a leading role regarding their integration into Canada.



.

You got that right. As far as "Canada's Tamil community" is concerned, it should have never gotten to that. :smile:

 

[EagleSmack]

IMO, The US and Australia aren't picking up their fair share.

You can't be serious!

Does Canada want to ease some pressure off our SW States?

That was a riduculous opinion IMO.

 

[JLM]

You can't be serious!

Does Canada want to ease some pressure off our SW States?

That was a riduculous opinion IMO.

Exactly, we have enough of our own people with problems without importing more to add to the problems we already have.

 

[EagleSmack]

Exactly, we have enough of our own people with problems without importing more to add to the problems we already have.

And I am sure these Tamil's are integrating and taking Canadian culture as their own.

Yeah right.

 

[DurkaDurka]

And I am sure these Tamil's are integrating and taking Canadian culture as their own.

Yeah right.

Well, they managed to shut he downtown core of Toronto last summer with their protests, including walking en masse up a busy freeway, and then staying on it for a few hours.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm still waiting for eao to explain to us, why he holds other groups to the letter of the law as interpreted by himself, AI, IRC and RC.

But the breaking of laws that Canada has in place to protect itself from abuse, are OK to break?

While using the media, to formulate an opinion of how those people will be treated if they are returned to their homeland. The same media that supposedly isn't worth watching, because it lies.

I really would love to have this cleared up.

 

[earth_as_one]

When it comes to getting accurate information regarding Human Rights issues, I rely on Nobel Laureate Amnesty International primarily. I'll also consider other human rights groups and even the news, if I consider the information to be accurate and complete.

I disagree with Tamils shutting down the Toronto commute for one day to raise awareness of a slaughter taking place in the Sri Lanka. They succeeded in raising awareness, but failed to gain much sympathy.

Since the Tamil Tiger resistance collapsed last year, Sri Lanka has become a slaughterhouse. I don't have to visit Sri Lanka to know this.

Reference:
Sri Lanka | Amnesty International

I find cold numbers and facts really don't communicate the scale of the atrocity going on here. This news report shows imagery of the atrocities and confirms what AI is saying about Sri Lanka:
YouTube - War-crime-video-footage,-Sri-Lanka-Tamil-killings--We-killed-everyone-Genocide

I have no doubts that if we sent these people back to Sri Lanka they would be at a minimum, unmercilessly persecuted like the other Tamils who live under Sri Lankan domination. Most likely, a majority of these people including women and children would be executed on the spot.

So here we are again in yet another situation similar to the SS. St. Louis in 1939. This time, the Canadian government has decided not to send these people back for extermination. I believe the Canadian government going to act with compassion and let these people stay.

Regarding who is doing the heavy lifting regarding the Tamil refugee problem, I think the numbers speak for themselves:

The Tamil Diaspora
India: 63,000,000
Sri Lanka: 3,600,000
Malaysia: 2,000,000
Burma: 500,000[citation needed]
South Africa: over 1,000,000
Canada: 200,000
Singapore: 410,000
United Kingdom: 300,000
Réunion: 226,000
Mauritius: 130,000
Italy: 100,000
United States: 100,000
France: 60,000
Germany: 60,000
Australia: 40,000
Switzerland: 50,000
Norway: 12,000
Sweden: 10,000
Denmark: 7,000


I see the Tamil refugee problem as an international problem requiring an international response. Considering that Canada has absorbed 200,000 Tamils so far, I feel Canada has absorbed its fair share. Since the US is 10xs the size of Canada, they would have to absorb 2,000,000 Tamils to make a similar level of effort as Canada. Instead the US has only absorbed 100,000 Tamils, about half of Canada's absolute effort or 1/20 of Canada's relative effort. Europe and Australia are also slacking off about as much as the US.

 

[CDNBear]

Still not on your iggy list I see...

When it comes to getting accurate information regarding Human Rights issues, I rely on Nobel Laureate Amnesty International primarily. I'll also consider other human rights groups and even the news, if I consider the information to support my opinion.

fify...

I see the Tamil refugee problem as an international problem requiring an international response. Considering that Canada has absorbed 200,000 Tamils so far, I feel Canada has absorbed its fair share. Since the US is 10xs the size of Canada, they would have to absorb 2,000,000 Tamils to make a similar level of effort as Canada. Instead the US has only absorbed 100,000 Tamils, about half of Canada's absolute effort or 1/20 of Canada's relative effort. Europe and Australia are also slacking off about as much as the US.

That wouldn't have anything to with people failing to meet the standards of refugee would it?

And I'm still waiting to hear the justification of why you only think certain laws should be adhered to.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Still not on your iggy list I see...

fify...

That wouldn't have anything to with people failing to meet the standards of refugee would it?

And I'm still waiting to hear the justification of why you only think certain laws should be adhered to.

Laws are meant to be abused and ignored when convenient unless the law breaker happens to be Israel, the US, Canada etc.

Apparently we are held to a higher standard if we breaks laws yet due to the prevalent politically correct culture of government, we allow others to breaks ours at will.

 

[CDNBear]

Laws are meant to be abused and ignored when convenient unless the law breaker happens to be Israel, the US, Canada etc.

Bingo!

Apparently we are held to a higher standard if we breaks laws yet due to the prevalent politically correct culture of government, we allow others to breaks ours at will.

Oh the irony of it all...

 

[earth_as_one]

Laws are meant to be abused and ignored when convenient unless the law breaker happens to be Israel, the US, Canada etc.

Apparently we are held to a higher standard if we breaks laws yet due to the prevalent politically correct culture of government, we allow others to breaks ours at will.

We can't control what other nations do. We can reveal their activities, make them ashamed of them, and impose sanctions... But ultimately we can only control our own actions.

I support imposing sanctions on Sri Lanka until they stop persecuting and slaughtering Tamils.

 

[CDNBear]

We can't control what other nations do. We can reveal their activities, make them ashamed of them, and impose sanctions... But ultimately we can only control our own actions.

But you don't actually believe the latter.

Our nation has laws and you are advocating the breaking of them.

That isn't control, that's the lack thereof.

I support imposing sanctions on Sri Lanka until they stop persecuting and slaughtering Tamils.

I support imposing sanctions on you, until you come to your senses.

And yet I still wait to see your justification or why some rules should be adhered to, while you endorse the breaking of others.

When will you answer that civilly asked question?

 

[DurkaDurka]

We can't control what other nations do. We can reveal their activities, make them ashamed of them, and impose sanctions... But ultimately we can only control our own actions.

I support imposing sanctions on Sri Lanka until they stop persecuting and slaughtering Tamils.

Such hyperbole & BS.

Not even Amnesty International uses such misleading statements as you do. As of May 2010, Amnesty International is asking the UN to investigate both the Sri Lankin government & the Tamil terrorists as both have committed atrocities during and after the war. So basically, you are a liar in regards to these slaughters of the Tamil's

UN must investigate Sri Lanka rights violations | Amnesty International

 

[CDNBear]

Such hyperbole & BS.

Not even Amnesty International uses such misleading statements as you do. As of May 2010, Amnesty International is asking the UN to investigate both the Sri Lankin government & the Tamil terrorists as both have committed atrocities during and after the war. So basically, you are a liar in regards to these slaughters of the Tamil's

Please tell me after all the years of whatching eao turn a blind eye to reality and trying to manipulte fact to support his hatred of a single group, you didn't just come to this realization?

 

[earth_as_one]

Such hyperbole & BS.

Not even Amnesty International uses such misleading statements as you do. As of May 2010, Amnesty International is asking the UN to investigate both the Sri Lankin government & the Tamil terrorists as both have committed atrocities during and after the war. So basically, you are a liar in regards to these slaughters of the Tamil's

UN must investigate Sri Lanka rights violations | Amnesty International

I've never denied or defended LTTE atrocities and war crimes.

Here is what they said about Sri Lanka in their 2010 annual report:

Some 300,000 Tamil civilians were displaced by
armed conflict, and subsequently detained in
government camps. Those suspected of ties with the
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) – more than
12,000 – were detained separately. Many were held
incommunicado and sometimes in facilities not
designed to hold prisoners or in secret places of
detention. Civilians were trapped for months prior to
the conflict’s end in May without adequate food,
shelter, sanitation and medical care, or access to
humanitarian aid. The LTTE used civilians as human
shields and used threats and violence to prevent
them from fleeing the conflict zone. Government
artillery killed and wounded civilians, including
patients in hospitals and medical workers. The
government failed to address impunity for past
human rights violations, and continued to carry out
enforced disappearances and torture. Hundreds of
Tamils continued to be detained in the south for
lengthy periods without charge under special
security legislation. Human rights defenders and
journalists were killed, assaulted, threatened and
jailed. Police killings of criminal suspects
intensified....

I interpret the last phrase that some Tamils are being hunted down and executed.

From the Times
Slaughter in Sri Lanka -Times Online

May 13, 2009
Slaughter in Sri Lanka

The world must force Colombo to halt the shelling of trapped civilians



div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited { color:#06c; } The United Nations has spoken of a “bloodbath”. Ban Ki Moon, the Secretary-General, was “appalled” at the killing of hundreds of trapped civilians at the weekend, and called for an immediate halt to the Sri Lankan Army's indiscriminate shelling of the tiny coastal strip, the last hold-out on the island of the rebel Tamil Tigers. But the shelling goes on. Yesterday a mortar bomb struck the only functioning medical facility in the war zone, killing 49 patients and bystanders and wounding more than 50 others. The figure cannot be verified, as the army refuses to allow in any doctors, emergency workers or outsiders. But what is hideously clear is that huge numbers of people have been killed and that at least 50,000 are still trapped in appalling conditions as the bombs continue to explode among them.
This carnage must stop. Already more than 6,500 civilians have been killed and 14,000 injured in the first four months of the year. Thousands of those who have managed to escape were on the brink of starvation when they arrived at the camps set up by the Sri Lankan Government outside the combat zones. Conditions inside the camps are barely any better: lethally overcrowded, with little food, no proper medical care and the prospect of indefinite internment, the camps are fast becoming more a place of death than a place of refuge for 193,000 people...