Repeal the Second Ammendment

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Tecumsehsbones said:
Well, the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eighth, and Ninth are pretty much dead letters anyhow.

I'll give up my Third Amendment rights when they pry my cold, dead fingers from around them!

That's right, go look it up.



Oh? We already restrict and regulate ownership of automatic weapons, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, and who can own a gun. So I guess by your standard, the Second Amendment has already been repealed.

As Scalia said in Heller, the government may restrict the types of firearms the people may keep, as well as who may keep them.

Interestingly, the ONLY right in the Bill of Rights that is restricted for discharged felons and the mentally ill is the Second Amendment. If you were the purist you claim to be, you would be banging on about the right of felons and the insane to own guns.
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Rights are removed from felons because they have been convicted of a crime. It is part of their punishment.

Of course the type can be restricted, as full autos have been.....but to my way of thinking, the right extends to weapons that would serve a militia, in other words, straight up fighting guns. The AR 15 is a perfect example of a protected firearm, as it is the semi-auto version of the personal weapon carried by the US military, fires the same cartridge, and takes the same magazines.

I think it would be much more appropriate, and much more in line with the ideals of the constitution to strictly regulate handguns, as they are of little use in warfare. BTW handguns are used in 68% of gun homicides in the USA. Rifles (of all types) are used in just 3% of gun homicides..

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls
 
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White_Unifier said:
Are you saying that if the 2nd amendment were legally repealed in the US as per constitutional protocol and you were an American, you'd participate in a bloodbath to prevent it? And seeing that Canada has no such amendment, why are you not participating in a bloodbath in Canada to get a 2nd amendment entrenched into the Canadian constitution? Sounds like much huffing and puffing to me.
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I said no such thing, and I will sidestep the question by saying I'm a little long in the tooth to man the barricades now.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
Well, the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eighth, and Ninth are pretty much dead letters anyhow.

I'll give up my Third Amendment rights when they pry my cold, dead fingers from around them!

That's right, go look it up.



Oh? We already restrict and regulate ownership of automatic weapons, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, and who can own a gun. So I guess by your standard, the Second Amendment has already been repealed.

As Scalia said in Heller, the government may restrict the types of firearms the people may keep, as well as who may keep them.

Interestingly, the ONLY right in the Bill of Rights that is restricted for discharged felons and the mentally ill is the Second Amendment. If you were the purist you claim to be, you would be banging on about the right of felons and the insane to own guns.
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Looks like they got you on both counts already.
 
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White_Unifier said:
So why no Canadian bloodbath to get a 2nd amendment entrenched into the Canadian constitution?
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It's a fringe, looney, wannabee kook thing to arm oneself against the Crown, here in Canada.

Those who wish to do so should be hanged as traitors.
 
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The gun control debate was hijacked in the 1970s by a bunch of ex hippie lawyers who decided to turn the NRA into a lobby for gun makers.
 
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I would be worried about the Mexicans, the N. Koreans, and the Russians. :lol:

The Chinese are already taking over the US one dollar at a time. They are operating from Walmart and dollar stores.
 
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Colpy said:
Rights are removed from felons because they have been convicted of a crime. It is part of their punishment.
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Wrong. I said discharged felons, that is, the ones who have done their time. They have the full suite of rights under the Bill of Rights, EXCEPT for the right to keep and bear arms.

Nice try, though.

Of course the type can be restricted, as full autos have been.....but to my way of thinking, the right extends to weapons that would serve a militia, in other words, straight up fighting guns. The AR 15 is a perfect example of a protected firearm, as it is the semi-auto version of the personal weapon carried by the US military, fires the same cartridge, and takes the same magazines.
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We've discussed this before. As I said, and you agreed at the time, a militia is a light infantry force. Therefore, in 2018 "straight up fighting guns" most definitely INCLUDES automatic rifles, such as the M4. It also includes hand grenades, rocket launchers, light-to-medium machine guns like the M60 or the M279, and grenade launchers.

I think it would be much more appropriate, and much more in line with the ideals of the constitution to strictly regulate handguns, as they are of little use in warfare. BTW handguns are used in 68% of gun homicides in the USA. Rifles (of all types) are used in just 3% of gun homicides..
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We completely agree on that. A sidearm is very nearly useless in a military context.

Of course, if we were "in line with the ideals of the Constitution," we'd also have to eliminate the army in peacetime. The Second Amendment is predicated on the existence of no large, organized, military or paramilitary force in peacetime, so we'd also have to eliminate the National Guard and most of the cops.
 
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Colpy said:
I have one good thing to say about this; at least this guy understands what the Second Amendment means, and knows that to restrict ownership of firearms it is necessary to repeal the Second Amendment.

And that simply ain't gonna happen, as it requires a 2/3 majority in both the House and the Senate, and then ratification by 37 states..

Good luck.

And it is a damned good thing, because a successful drive to kill the Second would set off a rebellion.

And guess which side has the guns?.
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I was wrong.

Amending the constitution requires a 2/3 majority in both the House and the Senate, and then ratification by 38 states.
 
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I find it amusing that the left in the US expects people to fill out paperwork and submit their entire life history in order to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, and yet argue that requiring ID to vote is suppression.

Or that some punk who's trying to deny people's 2nd Amendment rights is whining about how clear backpacks are a violation of his 1st Amendment rights. Now, I'm not all that up on the Amendments but I do know that the 1st applies to freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of religion etc. So what exactly does a clear backpack have to do with the 1st Amendment?
 
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Unreasonable search..which is in the FOURTH amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...etc

At the moment it's hillary's and the other russian colluding coupers life saver, though she and they, would like to take that from everyone else just like the guns they want, but which no one else should have.
 
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All it would take is the will of the people.

The people do not currently have that will.

The the generation that is under under twenty right now? Those kid who have grown up underneath their desks at school may have that will. I hope they do.

The 2nd amendment is a train wreck.
 
Danbones

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Yes, so you are saying they need to STEAL the guns against the democratic will through child murder, deception, and fraud...
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Yeah, nazi global communism...woohoo.

I say hire some cops who have the guts to disobey orders that aid in gun free zone child deaths.

Delta Desperate For NRA’s Help Just Days After Booting Them From Biz

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Gun Guys Have Perfect Response

Delta now faces a massive boycott by supporters of the constitution which is the law of the land.

Delta is about to lose a 40 million dollar tax break because of it...lol
 
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