Global Warming: still the ‘Greatest Scam in History’

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That's not an adequate response. It's why I suspect that the whole shifting pole business is more an attempt to shift blame, than a workable theory, because as soon as the questions get technical, the answers get vague

"as the questions get technical, the answers get vague"... you know, I think that's exactly what I've been saying about member 'petros' traveling vagueness show! Let's hope you don't receive any drywall hits or being labeled as 'mad'!

hey Locutus..... Tony Willard Watts at AGU... rubbin' shoulders with real scientists! Think it will make any difference in the Watts BS? Do you have a day/time for when Watts presents? :mrgreen:
 

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That's not an adequate response. It's why I suspect that the whole shifting pole business is more an attempt to shift blame, than a workable theory, because as soon as the questions get technical, the answers get vague..
Wouldn't it make more sense to ask what Joule heating of the upper atmosphere is and what drives it, what limits it and what cuts it loose. Where do you want to start?

Joule heating, or frictional heating, is the phenomenon in which the drift energy of ions in the thermosphere and in the high-latitude ionosphere turns into thermal and kinetic energy of neutrals, due to collisions that tend to drive the neutral gas in a similar convection pattern to that of the ions [Richmond, 1995]. It can be paralleled to ohmic dissipation, in that the passage of an electric current through a conductor releases heat. Joule heating is known to be one of the major energy sources of the upper atmosphere [e.g., Codrescu et al., 1995]: in particular during solar storm times, some of the energy supplied to the magnetosphere from the solar wind is dissipated by deposition into the atmosphere via Joule heating and particle precipitation

Joule Heating - Mediawiki-meso
 

darkbeaver

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That's not an adequate response. It's why I suspect that the whole shifting pole business is more an attempt to shift blame, than a workable theory, because as soon as the questions get technical, the answers get vague.



Neither self-hating nor a eugenics supporter. Just a scientist. I need an internally consistent theory that accords with observation to start with.

I'm a scientist myself. What the hell does that have to do with the subject? I always drill holes and troubleshoot with the best available research, measuring gear and optical insterments. It's not just you who feels the need for internal consistent thinking. Your laurals do not seperate you from the rabble by any unfordable rift in the earths surface.
 

DaSleeper

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In 1904, Russell changed the start of Armageddon to be 1914.
There was a great deal of Scriptural "proof" used to show Jesus' presence began in 1874, such as:

  • The end of the jubilee cycles (Zion's Watch Tower 1881 January).
  • It was the end of 6000 years after creation
  • Daniel's prophecy of the 1335 days. This was interpreted to mean 1335 years after papal rule had started in 539 AD. Historical years were changed and adjusted in order to fit the year to the prophecy.
  • Russell followed Barbour's idea that the Adventists were wrong to think the end of the world would be 1874 as this was just 30 years from 1844. As a generation is 70 years, the end of the world itself would not be until 1914. This fitted nicely with Barbour's understanding of the seven times.
It is interesting that prophecies vigorously used today to point to special events in the 1900's were used to point to completely different events in the 1800's. Even the methodology to work out these prophecies has changed. For instance, the 1335 days were said to represent years, now we are supposed to believe they represent lunar days; that is, about 1320 solar days! These prophecies are meant to strengthen faith in the Watchtower interpretation of the Bible, when they are obviously being used to fit any situation the Watchtower Society desires.
1874 was still being used well after 1914.
"Bible prophecy shows that the Lord was due to appear for the second time in the year 1874. Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that he did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable." Watchtower 1922 Nov 1 p.333​
"Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874;…" Watchtower 1924 Jan 1 p.5)​
"“The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D.”" Prophecy 1929 1,589,000 ed. p.65​
"“Applying the same rule then, of a day for a year, 1335 days after 539 A.D. brings us to 1874 A.D. at which time, according to Biblical chronology, the Lord's second presence was due.”" Creation 1927 2,175,000 ed. p.298​
"“The Scriptural proof is that the period of his presence and the day of God's preparation is a period from 1874 A.D. forward. The second coming of the Lord, therefore, began in 1874; and that date and the years 1914 and 1918 are specially marked dates with reference to his coming. “Prophecy can not be understood until it has been fulfilled or is in the course of fulfillment. From 1874 to 1914 the prophecy concerning the Lord's coming was being fulfilled and could be understood, and was understood, by those who were faithful to the Lord and who were watching the development of events, but not by others."” Creation 1927 2,175,000 ed. p.289​
The Harp of God contains many references to 1874 in both the 1921 and 1928 editions. The 1927 edition of Creation uses inventions from 1874 onwards as evidence of the Lord's presence since that date. These included:
"But mention is made of some of those things that have come to light since 1874, as a further evidence of the Lord's presence since that date, as follows: Adding machines, aeroplanes, aluminium, antiseptic surgery, artificial dyes, automatic couplers, automobiles, barbed wire, bicycles, carborundum, cash registers, celluloid, cream separators, disc plows, electric railways, electric welding, elevators, escalators, fireless cookers, gas engines, harvesting machines, illuminating gas, induction motors, linotypes, monotypes, motion pictures, pasteurization, radium, railway signals, Roentgen rays, skyscrapers, smokeless powder, submarines, subways, talking machines, telephones, television, typewriters, vacuum cleaners, wireless telegraphy and wireless telephony." Creation 1927 2,175,000 ed. p.297​
1874 was not dropped as the start of the second coming until the 1930’s, when articles such as the following started to be released.
"The prophecy of the Bible, fully supported by the physical facts in fulfilment thereof, shows that the second coming of Christ dates from the fall of the year 1914." What is Truth? (1932) p.48​
1874 was not removed entirely from Watchtower doctrine until 1943, when a change in how the 6000 years were calculated meant it could no longer be used as the end of the 6000 years. (see God's Kingdom on a Thousand Years Has Approached p.209)
The Society generally glosses over its history and wrong interpretations. However, some of the excuses it provides for these errors are quite shocking;
"“According to an inaccurate chronology that had been worked out from the King James Authorized Version Bible, Russell calculated Christ's "presence" had begun in the year 1874 C.E., unseen to human eyes and seen only by the eye of faith.”" Man's Salvation Out Of World Distress At Hand (1975) p.287​
Is indicating that God allowed the Bible to come down to us incorrectly really the best way to exonerate Russell’'s wrong teachings? Doesn't this raise more problems than it answers?
 

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what argument have you ever presented? Your C&P from a high-school teenager is not you making an argument! Whaaa!



I am impervious to your continued marginalization attempts. Go check your denier twitter feeds! Chop, chop!

Sonny this isn't the junior high debating club. This is where adults communicate with each other. We discuss topics that interest us. You only interest us because you are so damm silly. And as someone mentioned so much like SJP who was always good for a giggle before giving him a cuff on the ear.
 

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Sonny this isn't the junior high debating club. This is where adults communicate with each other. We discuss topics that interest us.

let me know when you actually decide to "discuss" anything subject matter related! Till then, you remain nothing more than a drive-by arteest! :mrgreen:

Russell would have maade a great climate science guy.

beav, beav... is member DuhSleeper really that religious? He seems to quote reams and reams of that religious stuff of his... particularly when it appears a most inconvenient post (to deniers) has been brought forward.
 

darkbeaver

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Sonny this isn't the junior high debating club. This is where adults communicate with each other. We discuss topics that interest us. You only interest us because you are so damm silly. And as someone mentioned so much like SJP who was always good for a giggle before giving him a cuff on the ear.

You've clued him in. If he jumps ship , we'll be left talking to ourselves. You'll have to find a replacement. If he was in search of technicle nuts and bolts debate his inability to find much here should have impressed him a while ago, I think.
 

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let me know when you actually decide to "discuss" anything subject matter related! Till then, you remain nothing more than a drive-by arteest! :mrgreen:



beav, beav... is member DuhSleeper really that religious?

You don't have anything to discuss. All your cute little graphs and quotes have been proven false many times. But keep trying. It is much like giving a monkey a typewriter(are you old enough to know what those are?) and he will eventually turn out a novel. Mayby your turn will come.
 

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You've clued him in. If he jumps ship , we'll be left talking to ourselves. You'll have to find a replacement. If he was in search of technicle nuts and bolts debate his inability to find much here should have impressed him a while ago, I think.

beav, beav... there's been a bit of, as you say, "technical nuts and bolts' posting from the likes of member's Tonington and Zipperfish. Of course, as you imply, all the rest is just mud-slinging and shyte-throwing from a bunch of knuckle-draggers. I believe it was the most astute member 'Tonington' who wisely opined "it's a free internet"... you gets what you gets!
 

darkbeaver

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let me know when you actually decide to "discuss" anything subject matter related! Till then, you remain nothing more than a drive-by arteest! :mrgreen:



beav, beav... is member DuhSleeper really that religious? He seems to quote reams and reams of that religious stuff of his... particularly when it appears a most inconvenient post (to deniers) has been brought forward.

He has a finely tuned philosophy which has served him well, I rekon. In the classic sence of denier, sir, you are one while your opposition here definitely exercise critical thinking.
 

MHz

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Sonny this isn't the junior high debating club. This is where adults communicate with each other. We discuss topics that interest us.
lol Pretty rich coming from you, The thread title, you forgot to add anything and going by this post and the other one to me on the other thread the topic that interests 'you' (unless we includes you alter egos) seem to be acting as shrink and some sort of self appointed mod that makes sure only the guilty (IYO) are slammed and the innocent (IYO) are defended to the max. Becoming a troll to accomplish that makes you a fuk of a lot worse than a conspiracy buff, remember I mentioned that just recently, you forgot to reply. Lets cover you, is this true or not?

Study Suggests Conspiracy Theorists Are More Positive & Reasonable Compared To Conventional Thinkers | Collective-Evolution

Generally the people who believe the mainstream idea of what is true, or is accepted as truth do not bother to look at the other side of the coin. They believe what they are told without question, and anyone who disagrees is, well, crazy, or a conspiracy theorist. Or in other words, paranoid.
 

waldo

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You don't have anything to discuss. All your cute little graphs and quotes have been proven false many times. But keep trying. It is much like giving a monkey a typewriter(are you old enough to know what those are?) and he will eventually turn out a novel. Mayby your turn will come.

BS proven false! That's your standard deflecting nothing statement that you keep pulling out of your azz! Somewhere... somewhere... in the ancient CC archives my, as you say, "cute little graphs and quotes" have been proven false! Somewhere! :mrgreen: There's this ever present whine about me "repeating myself"... of course, when I point out (several times now) that I'm simply responding to what's posted... then if I'm repeating myself, so is everyone else! Ya think, genius!!! Of course, it's freakin' amazing that none of you wizards even try to prove anything false... from whoever! You guys don't do "prove false"... you simply C&P from denier blogs/tweets and throw insults... and drywall! Nothing more, nothing less! As for you personally, you couldn't prove a thing false if you tried... you haven't the chops to even start! Watching your regular conniption fits over posted graphs is quite humourous... indeed!
 

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That's not an adequate response. It's why I suspect that the whole shifting pole business is more an attempt to shift blame, than a workable theory, because as soon as the questions get technical, the answers get vague.

No kidding. Joule heating in the thermosphere, cooling in the stratosphere, and warming at the surface. I would love to know how you can heat an upper layer of the atmosphere, and connect it to surface warming when a layer in-between cools. :lol:

Does not compute.
 

MHz

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That heating up of the air above the cool area prevents rain from falling (by preventing thunderheads from going from cool air to cold air, rain also cools the land on impact and even more as it evaporates, once the water is gone the heating is higher and the night part is also colder as in all desert climates.

The part that does not compute is taking rain away from land used to grow crops. They can stop rain they just can't make it rain, that is kind of interesting and in doing so, a drought in California is bringing snow to the UK
 
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