What gives you the idea that anything can be merely a "privilege" just because it is not specifically mentioned in the Canadian charter? Do you realize that this line of thinking implies that rights are something granted to us by the government. Are we truly without rights unless the government grants them to us?
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What gives you the idea that anything can be merely a "privilege" just because it is not specifically mentioned in the Canadian charter? Do you realize that this line of thinking implies that rights are something granted to us by the government. Are we truly without rights unless the government grants them to us?
In other words you checked and Auto Accidents are actually the main cause of deaths in children of all age groups.
I got printed AND a mug shot in Massachusetts. To get my FID felt like I was being booked. I never even bought a gun for protection or hunting. I wanted to buy a civil war musket so I needed an FID.
Damn good thing, too. Musket violence t is at an all-time high (except for when muskets actually were the "assault weapon" of the day). And everybody knows former Marines are just looking for a tower to climb.
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Sorry bluebyrd
Accidental death of children in Canada. firearms discharge is not even on their radar and preventing injury is their primary concern.
So, what are the leading causes? Motorvehicle, drowning, poison, respiratory threats
Sorry bluebyrd
Accidental death of children in Canada. firearms discharge is not even on their radar and preventing injury is their primary concern.
So, what are the leading causes? Motorvehicle, drowning, poison, respiratory threats
Perhaps in a government school these days, but 30,000 is still 1/10th of one percent of 30 million, not 10 percent.
You dang musketeers. Holding up convenience stores and the like.
What kind ya git ?;-)
Well, historically many crimes are committed with muskets in America. Treason and rebellion, for example.
LOL Takes a lot more than drivel to confuse me. Our laws are based on British law as are the amending Bill of Rights. ie.
Article VII thus indicates that Protestants in Great Britain enjoyed the right to bear arms, subject to certain restrictions placed upon the right by Parliament, restrictions that were usually related to class. The right to bear arms was so fundamental to the British constitutional system that in the next century Sir William Blackstone, the celebrated author of the Commentaries on the Laws of England, included this right among the five most fundamental auxiliary rights of British subjects, including such fundamental tenets as Parliamentary supremacy and the right of subjects to seek redress for grievances in courts of law. Blackstone laid out the right to bear arms as follows:
The fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defence suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute 1 W. & M. st. 2. c. 2 (the English Bill Of Rights), and it is indeed, a public allowance under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression.
The average Canadian is not what is meant by "Class", nor are they oppressed. Note also the phrase "In defense suitable to their condition and degree, and as such as are allowed by law"
It can't be objected to because the right of law comes before privilege. Laws and rule come first. So, there was a very good reason, rule of law were not abandoned even if the Bill of Rights authors felt they should have been allowed to put in what they felt should have been there. But hey, we do not have classes here.....at least not as many as the Brits do, and I really don't feel the average Joe or hunter would have fallen into the class and degree drafted into our constitution.
Are you not aware of the differences between Canadian and American laws and constitutions??
The fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defence suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute 1 W. & M. st. 2. c. 2 (the English Bill Of Rights), and it is indeed, a public allowance under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression.
The average Canadian is not what is meant by "Class", nor are they oppressed. Note also the phrase "In defense suitable to their condition and degree, and as such as are allowed by law"
It can't be objected to because the right of law comes before privilege. Laws and rule come first. So, there was a very good reason, rule of law were not abandoned even if the Bill of Rights authors felt they should have been allowed to put in what they felt should have been there. But hey, we do not have classes here.....at least not as many as the Brits do, and I really don't feel the average Joe or hunter would have fallen into the class and degree drafted into our constitution.
Are you not aware of the differences between Canadian and American laws and constitutions??
Sorry fellow, but that is exactly how it works. A democracy votes for those who determine the laws and rules and WE VOTE on their promises. If we do not like their record, we vote them out. Just look at what we did to "Queen Pauline"
Hey, I am not here to explain the basics of how our government works. I have been assuming, there was a modicum of intelligence here.
Well, I see you finally twigged to the truth. The reason death by Canadian children by gun is not on the radar is because of our GUN LAWS. Take a look at the US Stats and see the difference.
Exactly how else is the US going to get their gun violence under control? The gun lovers and criminals have protected the right to have any amount of weaponry without restrictions forever. |Change has to start somewhere. Vigilante attitudes have ruled for so long that the whole country has more guns than most armies use during a small war. So put up with a few rules to enjoy the right and privilege to collect and own firearms.
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Gun violence is down 50% in the last 20 years. Seems like we're doing a pretty good job of getting it under control.
Oops, I forgot, you don't do facts.
Never mind.
I don't have any citations but I recall seeing claims that the US's fall in gun violence is dropping at rates much faster than Canada's rates. Since these reductions can be attributed in a large part by an aging baby boomer population, one might conclude that Canada's laws are preventing baby boomers from " mellowing with age" as fast as the US's laws are.
I have to disagree with all attempts to assign a "class" to all Canadians, unless it is considered equal in all respects with all Englishmen. Keep reading because the BNA act agrees with me.
So at the time of Confederation, at least, we still had the right to bear arms given to British Subjects by the English Bill of Rights 1689
- Nothing here to suggest that we lost our older rights.
Nice clause. This is the way it should be. And, it specifically disagrees with Bluebyrd's use of the word "privilege" merely because something doesn't exist in the CCRF, 1982.
I don't recall seeing any of our rights being repealed or abolished. Do you?
It seems I do facts better than you do. Remember the post where you stated "Maryland and several other states now require fingerprinting and it made no difference to the lowering of gun violence stats"?? Now, you are say the stats are down 50% in the past 20 years." Bit of contradiction there.
I did notice you also did not mention that the level of gun violence receded anywhere near as low as it was in the 80's. Wanna bet even then the US was the leader amongst the reasonably civilized nations of the world..in gun violence!
By the way there is a big difference between truth and what you like to call facts. Statistics can be skewed anyway the collecting agency fancies. When I am told gun violence, is going down, then I hear sometimes two or people being shot each day on the local news, it does not give me much confidence in the statisticians, particularly since the news in most areas in the US are focused on the immediate area. Simple math kind of contradicts those type of facts.
Geez then what was all the fuss about the long gun registration laws or those laws governing the licensing of hand guns or the laws on restricting machine guns or uzis. Since guns were restricted to those with titles and royalty, the average joe never had those rights to begin with. So we are back to privilege. In any case our version of " Bush the younger" will be gone next election, it makes no never mind.
Yes I do.. but there are none in Canada.
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We in Canada like to think of ourselves as free. We also like to think we have rights. The police can’t throw us in jail for our political views. And if they do throw us in jail for any reason, the police must let us call a lawyer. A part of Canada’s constitution, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees our rights and freedoms. But the constitutional rights and freedoms such as freedom of expression, a right against arbitrary detention or imprisonment, and even our right to life, liberty and security, are not absolute. The Charter leaves loopholes for the federal Parliament, provincial legislatures, or even judges to limit or take away any rights or freedoms. There are no inalienable rights in Canada.
Not at all. The fingerprinting requirements are recent, last 2-3 years. Gun violence has been declining for 20. But nice try.
Umm. . . according to both the FBI and the CDC (Center for Disease Control), gun violence is below what it was in the 80s. But, again, nice try.
I like the way you do statistics, i.e., making up your own.
Yes there is. Facts are there, incontrovertible. Truth is whatever some knucklehead comes up with to try to impose her particular suite of emotional problems on the world at large. "Truth" gave us slavery, genocide, oppression of women, racial and religious discrimination, and a whole bunch of other benefits.
Umm. . . no, it doesn't. You don't understand trends, do you? I'll try to explain.
Hearing that two people per day are being shot on "the local news" tells you nothing about whether gun violence is going up, down, or staying steady. First, your local news tells you about nearby shootings, faraway shootings, and even shootings in other countries. Second, if your local news is telling you there are two shootings a day in your area, and twenty years ago there were five shootings a day in your local area, then gun violence is declining. You can't plot a graph from a single point. Unless you're graphing "Truth," that is.
Just though maybe a bunch of stats that give actual facts on gun violence. No comparisons. Just the facts.
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People wait to be reunited with loved ones after a school shooting at Gardena High School on January 18, 2011 in Gardena, Calif. According to reports, a student had brought a gun into school in a backpack and the weapon accidentally fired, injuring two students.
By NBC News staff
As lawmakers at the state and federal level weigh various measures to stem gun violence, here are some facts and figures on guns and crime, compiled by the NBC News research department.
The big picture:
- Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.
- Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.
- Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)
- One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)
- Handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011; 4.1 percent were with shotguns; 3.8 percent were with rifles; 18.5 percent were with unspecified firearms.
- 13.3 percent of homicides were done with knives or other cutting instruments.
- 5.8 percent of homicides were from the use of hands, fists, feet, etc. (source: FBI)
- 82 children under five years old died from firearms in 2010 compared with 58 law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the line of duty (sources: CDF, CDC, FBI)
- More kids ages 0-19 died from firearms every three days in 2010 than died in the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre (source:CDF, CDC)
- Nearly three times more kids (15,576) were injured by firearms in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers (5,247) wounded in action that year in the war in Afghanistan (source: CDF, CDC, Department of Defense)
- Half of all juveniles murdered in 2010 were killed with a firearm (source: Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention)
Gun violence is up ....not down. Actual homicides may be down but when guns are used to rape, pillage, rob or beat and the victim does not die.....Those stats are not down.