Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[bluebyrd35]

I was eight or nine years old when I had my first firearm....and my old man set three strict rules which I've always followed..
Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are going to shoot something,
Don't point the gun at anything, unless you intend to shoot it,
And the third one, which wouldn't apply to a cop......No loaded guns in the house.

So, you are trying to tell me that every 8 or 9 year old should be given a gun with just the rules you were given?? Okay!! Go for it. Why not give the average inner city kid the means to level the playing field. LOL.

Plenty of them here in DC. Lots of people in their 20s, even a few in their 30s dress that way. As far as the "duh" look, I see that on people of all ages.



The gun stats mostly come from the FBI, which if they slanted the stats at all would overstate gun deaths. They're very pro-gun control, as are most police agencies.

This is a recommendation for no gun control?? I didn't realize the "Duh" look belonged to more than teenagers. That's it. I have had my fill of idiocy for another while. Definitely took less participation this time.

 

[DaSleeper]

So, you are trying to tell me that every 8 or 9 year old should be given a gun with just the rules you were given?? Okay!! Go for it. Why not give the average inner city kid the means to level the playing field. LOL.

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You sure do like to take things out of context and put words in other peoples' mouths...
Nice deflections

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

This is a recommendation for no gun control?? I didn't realize the "Duh" look belonged to more than teenagers. That's it. I have had my fill of idiocy for another while. Definitely took less participation this time.

I'll give you my standard answer. You give me a convincing argument for how you're gonna clean up the quarter of a billion guns currently in the U.S., and you can have mine.

You'll note this thread is not about whether gun control is bad or good, moral or immoral. The thesis is that gun control is useless.

 

[bluebyrd35]

You sure do like to take things out of context and put words in other peoples' mouths...
Nice deflections

YOU used it as a plus. I just took it a step further.

 

[JamesBondo]

So, you are trying to tell me that every 8 or 9 year old should be given a gun with just the rules you were given?? Okay!! Go for it. Why not give the average inner city kid the means to level the playing field. LOL.

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Who says that he was only given 3 rules. It sounds like his dad gave a **** and taught him to be safe, responsible, and trustworthy. Providing your son with a roof, food, and an XBox is not parenting.

Bluebyrd, if your attitude portray on this thread is for real. Let me make a point by asking you a question...How do you feel about giving a 9 yr old boy a folding lock blade? Are kids these days less trustworthy than millions of boyscouts in the past? Do you think they have changed or do you think that you paradigm is different than other adults?

 

[bluebyrd35]

Who says that he was only given 3 rules. It sounds like his dad gave a **** and taught him to be safe, responsible, and trustworthy. Providing your son with a roof, food, and an XBox is not parenting.

Bluebyrd, if your attitude portray on this thread is for real. Let me make a point by asking you a question...How do you feel about giving a 9 yr old boy a folding lock blade? Are kids these days less trustworthy than millions of boyscouts in the past? Do you think they have changed or do you think that you paradigm is different than other adults?

Well, declaring a situation unfixable is not a solution. 1.. education. 2. small steps ie. insisting on a gun owner proving he/she has the weapons under lock and key, unless being used at target practice or hunting. 3. No repeating rifles or hand guns. Hunting a wild animal is a sport and the animal should have a chance, even a human one. 4. Registration of all firearms. This is probably the best protection for an owner who's gun has been stolen & used in a crime. . In the US do not most men have fingerprints on file if they have served in the military or FBI or whatever?


If a law does not work it can be changed but it is hard to improved on one that was never implemented. Admitting that many countries who do not have the high gun violence have made some form of control work is a start. .

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

In the US do not most men have fingerprints on file if they have served in the military or FBI or whatever?

If they've served, yes. That's less than 10% of the population.

Oh, and by the way, it ain't just men. We let the girls serve now, too. Ain't we just all progressive and stuff?

 

[DaSleeper]

Who says that he was only given 3 rules. It sounds like his dad gave a **** and taught him to be safe, responsible, and trustworthy. Providing your son with a roof, food, and an XBox is not parenting.

Bluebyrd, if your attitude portray on this thread is for real. Let me make a point by asking you a question...How do you feel about giving a 9 yr old boy a folding lock blade? Are kids these days less trustworthy than millions of boyscouts in the past? Do you think they have changed or do you think that you paradigm is different than other adults?

See what I meant about her deflecting the hard ones like the one I highlighted...
Or is that called moving the goal posts?....whatever....

 

[bluebyrd35]

See what I meant about her deflecting the hard ones like the one I highlighted...
Or is that called moving the goal posts?....whatever....

Never assumed otherwise. 10% of the population for those who served, and all those who have been involved with the justice system and all law enforcement personnel. Seems to take in a fair portion. But I do understand that any reason for not using reasonable approaches to unreasonable situations seems to be the approach here.

 

[DaSleeper]

Never assumed otherwise. 10% of the population for those who served, and all those who have been involved with the justice system and all law enforcement personnel. Seems to take in a fair portion. But I do understand that any reason for not using reasonable approaches to unreasonable situations seems to be the approach here.

Lady....what are you drinking......quote one post and answer another......happy hour is over don't you know........


Edit: confusion at your age......?
Can you draw a circle and put all the numbers of a clock in sequence?

 

[bluebyrd35]

Lady....what are you drinking......quote one post and answer another......happy hour is over don't you know........


Edit: confusion at your age......?
Can you draw a circle and put all the numbers of a clock in sequence?

You compare teaching boy scouts woodcraft the same as teaching an eight or nine year to use a gun!! Now who is drinking. By the way I was a brownie and a girl guide and learned all about marking a trail, building a fire, setting up a campsite etc.all using those knives. Can't really accidently stab another guide or scout to death. Geez, what kind of arguments are these.


It seems to have come down to which dumb post is even dumber one than yours must have distracted me. Aww I am done for tonight.

 

[Colpy]

Never assumed otherwise. 10% of the population for those who served, and all those who have been involved with the justice system and all law enforcement personnel. Seems to take in a fair portion. But I do understand that any reason for not using reasonable approaches to unreasonable situations seems to be the approach here.

So your solution to a very moderate and falling murder rate is to throw the Bill of Rights out the window and make the national government an even more intrusive and oppressive entity.

People like you are the reason the right to keep and bear arms exists.

 

[DaSleeper]

You compare teaching boy scouts woodcraft the same as teaching an eight or nine year to use a gun!! Now who is drinking. By the way I was a brownie and a girl guide and learned all about marking a trail, building a fire, setting up a campsite etc.all using those knives. Can't really accidently stab another guide or scout to death. Geez, what kind of arguments are these.

You're still confused.....James Bondo wrote about the knives., not me...maybe if you go to bed early tomorrow will be less confusing.....


That's how Alzheimer starts my reason for you drawing a clock, as a medical secretary you should know about that standard test?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Never assumed otherwise. 10% of the population for those who served, and all those who have been involved with the justice system and all law enforcement personnel. Seems to take in a fair portion. But I do understand that any reason for not using reasonable approaches to unreasonable situations seems to be the approach here.

Maryland and a couple of other states now require fingerprints to legally buy a gun. So far ain't made any difference to gun-crime statistics.

 

[JamesBondo]

You compare teaching boy scouts woodcraft the same as teaching an eight or nine year to use a gun!! Now who is drinking..

No I am not drinking. Yes, I compare the two all the time.


I think why you have a problem with this comparison is you don't appreciate or understand what I am doing. I think you have framed gun use with a negative image( that can be accurate, I'll give you that) that is not even remotely accurate when it comes to what I am teaching my son.


We don't go into the country and shoot up the place. We practice at a gun range, and last year we shot 1 round out in the field, and it reached its intend target - a deer that provides life and god giving nourishment to my family.


The shooting aspect of the hunt is a very small part of the time we spend together. We go camping, we make fires, set up tents, go for walks.We talk. We do most of the same campcraft stuff that scouts teaches but we complete that package by adding foraging(wild plants), fishing, and hunting. At home, we also have a hobby garden, there is nothing more precious to us than having some deer meat and garden vegetables at the dinner table with the TV turned off.


I'm not sure what kind of drunken redneck, violent gang banger images are conjured when you think about my nine year old shooting a firearm but I must insist that you are incorrect.

 

[bluebyrd35]

No I am not drinking. Yes, I compare the two all the time.


I think why you have a problem with this comparison is you don't appreciate or understand what I am doing. I think you have framed gun use with a negative image( that can be accurate, I'll give you that) that is not even remotely accurate when it comes to what I am teaching my son.


We don't go into the country and shoot up the place. We practice at a gun range, and last year we shot 1 round out in the field, and it reached its intend target - a deer that provides life and god giving nourishment to my family.


The shooting aspect of the hunt is a very small part of the time we spend together. We go camping, we make fires, set up tents, go for walks.We talk. We do most of the same campcraft stuff that scouts teaches but we complete that package by adding foraging(wild plants), fishing, and hunting. At home, we also have a hobby garden, there is nothing more precious to us than having some deer meat and garden vegetables at the dinner table with the TV turned off.


I'm not sure what kind of drunken redneck, violent gang banger images are conjured when you think about my nine year old shooting a firearm but I must insist that you are incorrect.[

 

[DaSleeper]

Another long jump.......to conclusion..:roll:

 

[bluebyrd35]

So your solution to a very moderate and falling murder rate is to throw the Bill of Rights out the window and make the national government an even more intrusive and oppressive entity.

People like you are the reason the right to keep and bear arms exists.

Give it a rest....you know there is no such right where we live only in the states......and it originated because the early settlers couldn't afford to keep a regular militia. Now it continues to exist because some males think aggressiveness manly. Using a weapon to solve all problems leads to the US having the highest gun violence amongst modern countries.


Owning a gun must be a privilege and like owning a car, needs to have rules, and laws to end those weapons falling into the wrong hands. It is almost too late to fix the "state of the union" but it is disturbing to find some people feel, that the rest of the civilized nations should follow their example!!
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[Colpy]

Give it a rest....you know there is no such right where we live only in the states......and it originated because the early settlers couldn't afford to keep a regular militia. Now it continues to exist because some males think aggressiveness manly. Using a weapon to solve all problems leads to the US having the highest gun violence amongst modern countries.


Owning a gun must be a privilege and like owning a car, needs to have rules, and laws to end those weapons falling into the wrong hands. It is almost too late to fix the "state of the union" but it is disturbing to find some people feel, that the rest of the civilized nations should follow their example!!
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Strange that the guys that wrote the Bill of Rights disagrees with you.

“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”
― James Madison

As does the Supreme Court.

"In District of Columbia v. Heller, 54 U.S. 570 (2008), the U.S. Supreme Court weighed in on gun ownership rights, ruling that the U.S. Constitution protects an individual's right to own a gun for personal use."

Gun Ownership Rights Under Heller | Nolo.com

But HEY! You've made up your mind....no need to confuse you with the facts of the matter...............

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Bluebyrd:

Forgive Colpy. He thinks he's in Virginia. Mostly we just nod and smile.