Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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Did you notice in the three security-camera videos, nobody appeared to hit anything?
The rest was propaganda, and poorly done at that.
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Shooting someone that is standing still, is a lot easier than shooting someone moving about and shooting back.
The Moral: Git a gun and shoot back...don't be a fixed target.
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Fortunately that is probably the future of the US gun crowd. As a shooter myself I find it sad that supposedly grown adults can be so childish. The irresistible reality is that the US gun crowd, from the legislatures through industry on down, is too irresponsible to handle the "gun rights" they have awarded themselves. Read one of the US boards under "self defence" some time. Time after time you read of safety-challenged morons who leave loaded shotguns beneath their beds and loaded handguns in unlocked bedside tables where children can access them. Playing cowboy is more important to them than basic gun safety.
You know, you really need to start coming up with some support for your views.
Because the above is BS.
FACT: Accidental deaths in the USA involving firearms 2011 was 851.
Big number, huh??? You might think so............but compare:
Accidental deaths USA in 2010:
Motor Vehicle: 33, 687
Unintentional poisoning: 33,041
Falls: 26,009
Suddenly 851 does not seem to be so many, does it??
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My argument is BS that it is irresponsible for parents to leave loaded guns accessible to children? Maybe to you. Not to me.
Why are you introducing into a gun debate figures on poisoning, falls and automobiles? The topic is guns, and the deaths and injuries which flow from them. These other factors are off topic.
Different sources produce different gun statistics. Try including sources with your figures if you are going to insist on raw data. One of the sites I quoted below points out that deaths were what you say but actual shootings were many times more prevalent - 851 deaths compared to over 200,000 non fatal injuries, with a cost per injury at over $14,000.
And anyway what is your real point? I wrote that US safety standards were bad, with parents routinely leaving loaded handguns and shotguns in reach of children under beds and in bedside tables. Your response was that only 851 were killed. ONLY 851? Yeah, and over 200,000 injured at a cost per injury of over $14,000.
Here is a quote from http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html
In the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, declined to 1999, and has remained relatively constant since. However, firearms injuries remain a leading cause of death in the U.S., particularly among youth (CDC, 2001) (Sherry et al,2012).
The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care. A 1994 study revealed the cost per injury requiring admission to a trauma center was over $14,000. The cumulative lifetime cost in 1985 for gunshot wounds was estimated to be $911 million, with $13.4 billion in lost productivity. (Mock et al, 1994) The cost of the improperuse of firearms in Canada was estimated at $6.6 billion per year. (Chapdelaine and Maurice, 1996)
A study of firearm deaths in high income countries (Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom (Northern Ireland), United Kingdom (Scotland), and the United States) was conducted with data from the World Health Organization assembled by the WHO from the official national statistics of each individual country from2003 (Richardson and Hemenway, 2011). The total population for the UnitedStates for 2003 was 290.8 million while the combined population for the other 22 countries was 563.5 million. There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries. Of all the firearm deaths in these 23 high-income countries in 2003, 80% occurred in the US. In the US the overall firearm death rate was 10.2 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 4.1 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 6.0 per 100,000, with firearm homicide rates highest persons 15 to 24 years of age. For the US the overall suicide rate was 10.8 per 100,000, and slightly over half of these deaths were firearm suicide (5.8 per 100,000). Firearm suicides rates increased with age. In the other high income countries 2003 the overall firearm death rate was 1.4 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 0.2 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 0.9 per 100,000. Firearm homicide rates were highest in the 25 year old to 34 year old age group. The overal suicide rate was 14.9 per 100,000 with a overall firearm suicide rate of 1.0 per 100,000.
Here is a quote from http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states . It says gun deaths were:The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care. A 1994 study revealed the cost per injury requiring admission to a trauma center was over $14,000. The cumulative lifetime cost in 1985 for gunshot wounds was estimated to be $911 million, with $13.4 billion in lost productivity. (Mock et al, 1994) The cost of the improperuse of firearms in Canada was estimated at $6.6 billion per year. (Chapdelaine and Maurice, 1996)
A study of firearm deaths in high income countries (Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom (Northern Ireland), United Kingdom (Scotland), and the United States) was conducted with data from the World Health Organization assembled by the WHO from the official national statistics of each individual country from2003 (Richardson and Hemenway, 2011). The total population for the UnitedStates for 2003 was 290.8 million while the combined population for the other 22 countries was 563.5 million. There were 29,771 firearm deaths in the US and 7,653 firearm deaths in the 22 other countries. Of all the firearm deaths in these 23 high-income countries in 2003, 80% occurred in the US. In the US the overall firearm death rate was 10.2 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 4.1 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 6.0 per 100,000, with firearm homicide rates highest persons 15 to 24 years of age. For the US the overall suicide rate was 10.8 per 100,000, and slightly over half of these deaths were firearm suicide (5.8 per 100,000). Firearm suicides rates increased with age. In the other high income countries 2003 the overall firearm death rate was 1.4 per 100,000, the overall firearm homicide rate 0.2 per 100,000, and the overall homicide rate 0.9 per 100,000. Firearm homicide rates were highest in the 25 year old to 34 year old age group. The overal suicide rate was 14.9 per 100,000 with a overall firearm suicide rate of 1.0 per 100,000.
32,163 in 2011,
32,672 in 2010,
31,347 in 2009 and
31,593 in 2008.
That is 127,775 US gun deaths in just four years. I provided the url, so anybody is free to look it up. One site notes that gun deaths in America are overtaking automobile accident deaths.
You got a lot to learn junior. Colpy is more knowledgeable about gun laws and statistics than the rest of us combined. Your anti gun rhetoric is identical to about 10 others over the years that have been shot down in flames and never heard from again.
First of all, do not use the fact someone voluntarily sticks a gun in their mouth and tries to pull the trigger twice as an excuse to truncate the rights of others. That accounts for over 60% of gun deaths. (as an aside, the suicide rate in the USA is slightly lower than the rate in Canada)
Secondly, you are mixing apples and oranges. Are you trying to say there were over 200,000 accidental shootings and only 851 deaths?? I call BS. Even handguns, the least lethal firearm, kill 10% of those wounded. I think the 200,000 includes all woundings.
Thirdly, I included falls, poisonings, automobile accidents as comparative figures. With 300 million guns in circulation, 851 fatal accidents is a very few. I suggest a swimming pools is more apt to kill accidentally..........your spouting off about Americans leaving loaded guns lying around is simply BS, not borne out by the stats.
Fourth..........despite the fact the USA has by far the most guns per capita of any nation, and extemely liberal gun laws, there are 103 nations with worse murder rates. Guess what?? Most of those 103 countries have strict gun laws. As well, the world average murder rate is 6.9 per 100,000....as compared to 4.8 per 100,000 in the USA. The USA is quite a safe place to live.
I am not trying to truncate anything. I am Canadian. I keep saying Canada does not have a gun problem and doesn't need more gun laws. You are not listening. You don't hear me spouting the American NRA mantra so you automatically assume I'm anti-gun and attack my posts. You sound like the Americans who attack other gun owners if they are not as extremist as they are.
BTW, using the suicide issue to state your case is not a wise argument. It begs people who are more concerned with human life than Colby's toys to side against you. It makes you sound like a mindless extremist. If you don’t care what people think, think again. We got rid of the long gun registry because the Liberal gun grab offended everybody, not just shooters. We need the votes and influence of the people you might not give a sh!t about, so please, be nice for the sake of my guns if you don’t care about your own.
First you write that you don't believe there were 200,000 US woundings, then you say you think it includes "all woundings". It’s impossible to tell what you are arguing? However the 851 figure sounded too low so I looked up suicides. Check this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
In the United States, firearms remain the most common method of suicide, accounting for 50.7% of all suicides committed in 2006.[18]
In the United States, firearms remain the most common method of suicide, accounting for 50.7% of all suicides committed in 2006.[18]
http://rt.com/usa/us-suicides-crisis-cdc-report-761/
More Americans now die of suicide than from car accidents, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention….
In 2010, there were 33,687 deaths from motor vehicle crashes and 38,364 suicides.
Using 2010 America as an example there were 33,364 suicides. Statistically (albeit with the 2006 percentage) 50.7% of them were with guns. That means 16,815 shooting deaths by suicide. That beats 851. More Americans now die of suicide than from car accidents, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention….
In 2010, there were 33,687 deaths from motor vehicle crashes and 38,364 suicides.
I am “spouting off? Indeed. Well, we have already seen that shooting deaths are numerically overtaking motor vehicle accidents, so the only thing left to address in this paragraph is whether leaving loaded guns lying around is part of statistics. You say it is not. Check out http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html. It says:
In one survey, 10% of families admitted to having unlocked andloaded firearms within easy reach of children (Patterson and Smith, 1987).Another study showed that two-thirds of accidental firearms injuries occured inthe home, and one-third involved children under 15. 45% were self-inflicted,and 16% occurred when children were playing with guns. (Morrow and Hudson,1986) A study from 1991-2000 showed that twice as many people died fromunintentional firearm injuries in states in the U.S. where firearm owners weremore likely to store their firearms loaded. (Miller, et al, 2005).
Maybe you should do the research before committing yourself to such easily disproved positions?
If the gun laws are so liberal what are you complaining about?
103 nations? Obviously you are including every banana republic and tin pot dictator on earth. Yeah, some have strict gun laws. Most dictatorships do. Is that really the kind of society you want to compare with Canada and the US?
You got that all figured out from statistics, have you? Even though Americans themselves now say they kill as many of each other with guns as with motor vehicle accidents.
from http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html
Firearms Deaths by Mode of Death for Children <15 Years of Age
Top 10 Countries - Rate per 100,000
9 Potential Mass Shootings That Were Stopped By Gun Owners
Don’t anybody show Piers Morgan.
Via Buzzfeed Politics:
Don’t anybody show Piers Morgan.
Via Buzzfeed Politics:
Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother and went on to kill two students and injure seven others at his high school. Woodham was stopped by Assistant Principal Joel Myrick, a U.S. Army Reserve commander, who detained Woodham by using a .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol he kept in his truck, until authorities could show up.
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Junior? Name calling now? Notch up another win. From somebody from Vancouver Island who was unable to refute my answers to him and whose icon looks like a typical west coast Vancouver Island tree hugger? Facts and logic make arguments. So far Colby's points lack logic and sources, and the sources I produced prove him wrong on some of his positions. May I please suggest that it's time to go back to your pipe and rethink your argument?
Can't understand a simple answer? A simple yes or no would have sufficed.