‘Hell to pay:’

[bobnoorduyn]

There are no "Calgary RCMP", Calgary has it's own police force, and since this draconian phishing expedition by the RCMP in High River, people are once again calling for the formation of a Provincial Police Force and getting rid of herr harpers brown shirts.

Regardless how much you may dislike Harper, the RCMP's marching orders are a result of a culmination of Dear Leader Trudeau's, Cambell's and Chretien's leglislation, all of whom were "progressive". I think we, the people, should demand thal all police forces be governed by all of Sir Robert Peel's 9 principles of consentual policing without exception, or else go back to the days where citizens did it exclusively themselves. It wasn't that long ago, and no, it was not the Wild West, it was Edwardian England.

Forget it, petros. Right-wingers are convinced they are the only lovers of liberty.

Right wingers are the only lovers of liberty. Left wingers who claim to love liberty always have conditions attatched. Right wingers who do the same are just frauds.

 

[petros]

Regardless how much you may dislike Harper, the RCMP's marching orders are a result of a culmination of Dear Leader Trudeau's, Cambell's and Chretien's leglislation, all of whom were "progressive".

Why isn't there anybody to thank for stopping it?

 

[hunboldt]

Regardless how much you may dislike Harper, the RCMP's marching orders are a result of a culmination of Dear Leader Trudeau's, Cambell's and Chretien's leglislation, all of whom were "progressive". I think we, the people, should demand thal all police forces be governed by all of Sir Robert Peel's 9 principles of consentual policing without exception, or else go back to the days where citizens did it exclusively themselves. It wasn't that long ago, and no, it was not the Wild West, it was Edwardian England.


Right wingers are the only lovers of liberty. Left wingers who claim to love liberty always have conditions attatched. Right wingers who do the same are just frauds.

So you are saying, Bob, is like Macbeth, King Harpo the first's actions are ruled by the interaction of the fates, as summoned by -"three witches'?"?8O

Delightful. Thomas Mulclair is looking, well if not better and better, at least less and less Shakespearian....:lol:

 

[bobnoorduyn]

So you are saying, Bob, is like Macbeth, King Harpo the first's actions are ruled by the interaction of the fates, as summoned by -"three witches'?"?8O

Delightful. Thomas Mulclair is looking, well if not better and better, at least less and less Shakespearian....:lol:

Well, Trudeau introduced the FAC requirement and Campbell introduced the safe storage requirement among other things with little or no resistance. Chretien introduced what we have lived with for 15 years with somewhat more resistance, (though paying lobbyists to brainwash the public into accedptance helped).

Look at the uproar Harper caused trying to repeal just the registry part, and that's just a minor issue compared to the rest of the bad legislation.

Bad laws driven by emotion are far too easy to pass and almost impossible to repeal. Unfortunate for the rest of us.

 

[JLM]

Bad laws driven by emotion are far too easy to pass and almost impossible to repeal. Unfortunate for the rest of us.

Of course, that would require an admission a mistake was made! -

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Regardless how much you may dislike Harper, the RCMP's marching orders are a result of a culmination of Dear Leader Trudeau's, Cambell's and Chretien's leglislation, all of whom were "progressive". I think we, the people, should demand thal all police forces be governed by all of Sir Robert Peel's 9 principles of consentual policing without exception, or else go back to the days where citizens did it exclusively themselves. It wasn't that long ago, and no, it was not the Wild West, it was Edwardian England.


Right wingers are the only lovers of liberty. Left wingers who claim to love liberty always have conditions attatched. Right wingers who do the same are just frauds.

If you think that right-wingers and left-wingers are all there is, I really can't help you.

 

[#juan]

I hope the RCMP have documented where each and every gun came from because the best way out of this mess is for the Mounties to just quietly, give the guns back to the homes they took them from.

 

[hunboldt]

Well, Trudeau introduced the FAC requirement and Campbell introduced the safe storage requirement among other things with little or no resistance. Chretien introduced what we have lived with for 15 years with somewhat more resistance, (though paying lobbyists to brainwash the public into accedptance helped).

Look at the uproar Harper caused trying to repeal just the registry part, and that's just a minor issue compared to the rest of the bad legislation.

Bad laws driven by emotion are far too easy to pass and almost impossible to repeal. Unfortunate for the rest of us.

support for that fricken' LGR was a mile wide and four inches deep.

Don't fool yourself. There are a lot of Gun owning ND"s in the rural prairies and the North. The myth that we are all Hornby Island veggie potters is hilarious - why do you think the Harpos had to carefully gerrymander Saskatchewan to keep at least three more opposition members out?

Actually - the FAC is a good thing- the ten year time limit sucks. Like to see that changed...

 

[petros]

Well, Trudeau introduced the FAC requirement and Campbell introduced the safe storage requirement among other things with little or no resistance. Chretien introduced what we have lived with for 15 years with somewhat more resistance, (though paying lobbyists to brainwash the public into accedptance helped).

Look at the uproar Harper caused trying to repeal just the registry part, and that's just a minor issue compared to the rest of the bad legislation.

Bad laws driven by emotion are far too easy to pass and almost impossible to repeal. Unfortunate for the rest of us.

Who do we have to thank for stopping it.

 

[JLM]

I hope the RCMP have documented where each and every gun came from because the best way out of this mess is for the Mounties to just quietly, give the guns back to the homes they took them from.

Have we got the full story on this without the dramatics? If the cops were just beaking into homes willy nilly and search for guns to confiscate, then yes they were out of line and should be disbanded with no future pay. I have my doubts that that is the full story.

 

[petros]

What was the point of breaking into homes guns or no guns?

 

[#juan]

What was the point of breaking into homes guns or no guns?

That was a good question. Do they break into all homes?....Or just the easy ones....This whole thing is going to be a really ugly can of worms.

 

[petros]

Worms would be a pleasure to open. They are going to be opening cans of smashed azzholes,

 

[lone wolf]

Dudley needs Horse - more than ever

 

[JLM]

What was the point of breaking into homes guns or no guns?

That's what I've been wondering about! If the cop had walked by a home and noticed a gun in plain sight on the kitchen table I could see it. I think more on this will eventually come out. Maybe an undercover cop was sitting in a bar and over heard some nefarious plans among a bunch of thugs. There's a million possibilities but until we hear one they are under suspicion.

 

[Murphy]

The political comments made by various posters are irrelevant to the situation in High River. The federal government did not order police into anyone's house to look for firearms. This decision was made by an RCMP supervisor or done by police on the scene. In either case, the Mounties have to take responsibility for this intrusion.

For me, the question is, will the residents of High River meekly accept the RCMP's actions, or will they raise this to a formal complaint?

Peel's nine points on policing never included entry by police into private residences searching for legally obtained property. Unfortunately for the modern world, these principles are routinely ignored by the world's police organizations. Here are the nine points. All are important, but please take note of No. 8 (bolded and italicized)

• The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
• The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions.
• Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
• The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
• Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
• Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient.
• Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
• Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
• The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.

It's petty to bring any of the political parties into this discussion and attempt to blame them for what happened. None of them issued the search and seizure order. It will be the responsibility of the federal government however, to ensure that this indiscretion does not get swept under the rug.

 

[damngrumpy]

The RCMP is now behaving like Harpers Gestapo. If there is no one in the town
and its the RCMP ensuring the city is locked down there is no need to worry
about the guns where they are. Under no circumstances am I happy about the
police going door to door searching people private belongings and taking guns
registered or otherwise. There is a procedure ensured by law that allows them
to do that this is not one of those cases. If they are in pursuit of looters and they
are assisting people in personal difficulty that is one thing. These activities are
not consistent with the situations. The cops are now engaged in break and enter
and taking personal property that does not belong to them. In fact they are the
only looters in the town.

 

[JLM]

The political comments made by various posters are irrelevant to the situation in High River. The federal government did not order police into anyone's house to look for firearms. This decision was made by an RCMP supervisor or done by police on the scene. In either case, the Mounties have to take responsibility for this intrusion.

For me, the question is, will the residents of High River meekly accept the RCMP's actions, or will they raise this to a formal complaint?

Peel's nine points on policing never included entry by police into private residences searching for legally obtained property. Unfortunately for the modern world, these principles are routinely ignored by the world's police organizations. Here are the nine points. All are important, but please take note of No. 8 (bolded and italicized)

• The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
• The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions.
• Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
• The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
• Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
• Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient.
• Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
• Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
• The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.

It's petty to bring any of the political parties into this discussion and attempt to blame them for what happened. None of them issued the search and seizure order. It will be the responsibility of the federal government however, to ensure that this indiscretion does not get swept under the rug.

Isn't a good cop expected be able to make a decision on the spur of moment (general speaking) and take the necessary action? A lot of situations just don't allow for buggering around getting permission from some bureaucrat sitting at a desk.

 

[Murphy]

I find it laughable that you would consider the RCMP's actions a result of being part of "Harper's Gestapo". Are you suggesting that Harper ordered them to search the houses? Do you have evidence that his office directed the RCMP to do this?

His office has issued a statement saying that they should return the items promptly. He also said that they must have better things to do. If you have something that points to him ordering the search and seizure, please post it. If not, I think we should be looking at how the RCMP conducts their business.

 

[damngrumpy]

Harpers Gestapo is a term used when the police force is out of control and the ultimate
responsibility for the forces is in the PMO's office. No he might not have know and I
don't believe he did, but he has created the climate of distrust