‘Hell to pay:’

[hunboldt]

I'm flattered that you would consider me a wide eyed innocent. :lol:

There is a real difference between what you suggest and the truth. I need proof, not unfounded conjecture. I will change my views when someone presents proof, not presumptions.

What you are talking about - the suggestion of Canada as a feudal theocracy - has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in High River, unless you believe a religious figure ordered the search, or religion somehow influenced the RCMP's actions. If you wish to make that argument, I'll need substantiation. Harper may attend church, but his beliefs did not figure into what happened in High River - not even indirectly.

Should you wish to argue that the government is using "a combination of surveillance, secrecy, and a blind worship that the 'American Corporate Structures' will make it ' all good for us' where in reality- they extract and run." then I suggest that you start another thread that discusses the evils of the CPC and how they are changing Canada. Be ready to provide evidence for that statement as well.

Innocence has nothing to do with it. Accusations without proof are meaningless.

In the meantime, we should continue to discuss the issue of the RCMP seizing firearms. Did they act lawfully? So far, nothing has been brought forward that shows the government ordered the Mounties to seize private property. Until evidence to that effect emerges, it's a lot of nonsensical talk.

Hey Murph, if you want a thread on anything started, show some initiative - and start it yourself.
That's how its done here- Big Chief.

 

[hunboldt]

Hey Murph, if you want a thread on anything started, show some initiative - and start it yourself.
That's how its done here- Big Chief.

But, somehow I doubt if :
then I suggest that you start another thread that discusses the evils of the CPC and how they are changing Canada. Be ready to provide evidence for that statement as well.

means Murph actually starts a thread...

 

[Locutus]

Quote: Originally Posted by hunboldt

Hey Murph, if you want a thread on anything started, show some initiative - and start it yourself.
That's how its done here- Big Chief.

​

But, somehow I doubt if :
then I suggest that you start another thread that discusses the evils of the CPC and how they are changing Canada. Be ready to provide evidence for that statement as well.

means Murph actually starts a thread...

I had to come see this highly profound post with my own eyes.

I got 7 pm's, 13 text messages and a phone call about this.

You actually quoted yourself?

bravo...

 

[hunboldt]

Quote: Originally Posted by hunboldt

Hey Murph, if you want a thread on anything started, show some initiative - and start it yourself.
That's how its done here- Big Chief.

​

I had to come see this highly profound post with my own eyes.

I got 7 pm's, 13 text messages and a phone call about this.

You actually quoted yourself?

bravo...

AWW- the poor lil' darlinngs.. Twenty one sobbing lil fellows? MY heart - bleeds for their angst...

Harperites are SUCH a sensitive collection of souls....

 

[Murphy]

Quote: Originally Posted by hunboldt

Hey Murph, if you want a thread on anything started, show some initiative - and start it yourself.
That's how its done here- Big Chief.

​

I had to come see this highly profound post with my own eyes.

I got 7 pm's, 13 text messages and a phone call about this.

You actually quoted yourself?

bravo...

From what I've seen in this and other threads, some people have difficulty reasoning. If you wish to debate, you should present evidence to support your position. Sadly, some posters do not and it diminishes their credibility.

 

[petros]

What were you looking for evidence of?

 

[Murphy]

As has been posted throughout the thread, posters have suggested that Harper or the government is responsible for the RCMP's actions, Canada is a feudal theocracy and that the RCMP are "Harper's Gestapo". To me, these posts are only made to inflame, are unsubstantiated and juvenile since no supporting evidence is presented.

 

[gerryh]

As has been posted throughout the thread, posters have suggested that Harper or the government is responsible for the RCMP's actions, Canada is a feudal theocracy and that the RCMP are "Harper's Gestapo". To me, these posts are only made to inflame, are unsubstantiated and juvenile since no supporting evidence is presented.

Are you sqyong that the RCMP are not controlled by the sitting government? If not, then who is in charge and control of the RCMP?

 

[JLM]

Are you sqyong that the RCMP are not controlled by the sitting government? If not, then who is in charge and control of the RCMP?

The Commissioner?

 

[gerryh]

The Commissioner?

He's at the top? No one above him? Who hires the commissioner?

 

[petros]

The Commissioner?

Sticky Vicky Toews is the Minister of Public Safety. "The Boss".

 

[hunboldt]

As has been posted throughout the thread, posters have suggested that Harper or the government is responsible for the RCMP's actions, Canada is a feudal theocracy and that the RCMP are "Harper's Gestapo". To me, these posts are only made to inflame, are unsubstantiated and juvenile since no supporting evidence is presented.

Actually, my exact wording was that

We are being conditioned to accept, not the open market , private entrepreneurial economy that Reform promised,- but instead a weird form of feudal theocracy - a combination of surveillance, secrecy, and a blind worship that the 'American Corporate Structures' will make it ' all good for us'
where in reality- they extract and run.

read carefully - Murph...

 

[Murphy]

Are you sqyong that the RCMP are not controlled by the sitting government? If not, then who is in charge and control of the RCMP?

For a better understanding of how the RCMP operates, go here. Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act

The RCMP are not the government's to do with what they want. They act autonomously, following the regulations laid out in the police act.

Actually, my exact wording was that

We are being conditioned to accept, not the open market , private entrepreneurial economy that Reform promised,- but instead a weird form of feudal theocracy - a combination of surveillance, secrecy, and a blind worship that the 'American Corporate Structures' will make it ' all good for us'
where in reality- they extract and run.

read carefully - Murph...

I did read it. Canada is not moving toward some weird form of feudal theocracy, as you posted. It is a constitutional monarchy and is in no danger of changing. I have not seen anything to show that it is changing. Regardless, this has nothing to do with the RCMP's actions in High River. You haven't connected the two.

 

[petros]

An Act? They only act like cops?

 

[Locutus]

Regurgitating who is 'in control', in charge ( boss, above boss, who hired/elected who) is not the point. We're all aware.

Harper poo-poo'd the actions and wanted guns returned, while Vic said the surge was responsible for that local directive.

What matters is which regional buckaroo decided he was gonna call his own shots and check the old long gun registry database to see where guns were and do a little pro-active 'safety confiscation'. That dude needs to be working as a wallyworld greeter now.

 

[petros]

What long gun database? It was supposed to have been destroyed. If the RCMP has one, they are in possession of that list illegally.

The federal government has already destroyed the data on 5.6 million rifles and shotguns registered in other provinces. The Quebec records at issue in this ruling cover an estimated 1.6 million rifles and shotguns.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...tawa-federal-firearms-police-brotherhood.html

 

[Locutus]

lol!

 

[Ron in Regina]

That's what I've been wondering about! If the cop had walked by a home and noticed a gun in plain sight on the kitchen table I could see it. I think more on this will eventually come out. Maybe an undercover cop was sitting in a bar and over heard some nefarious plans among a bunch of thugs. There's a million possibilities but until we hear one they are under suspicion.

When was the last time you walked by someone's (anyone's) home and noticed
anything in plain sight on their kitchen table? I've been thinking, & I can't picture
any home owned by anyone I know that even has a kitchen (& thus perhaps a
kitchen table) located on the front of their home, and at a level that someone
"walking by" might actually be able to see.

Isn't a good cop expected be able to make a decision on the spur of moment (general speaking) and take the necessary action? A lot of situations just don't allow for buggering around getting permission from some bureaucrat sitting at a desk.

Uhmmmm....the whole "unreasonable search & seizure thing" I'd assume. Those
good cops that couldn't be bothered to follow the law themselves and operate inside
the same boundaries of the law shouldn't be the ones enforcing it if they see themselves
as being above it.

Are you sqyong that the RCMP are not controlled by the sitting government? If not, then who is in charge and control of the RCMP?

...and that is a VERY good question!!! At times it seems that the RCMP isn't even in charge
of the RCMP, but just the mop & cover after the fact.

For a better understanding of how the RCMP operates, go here. Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act

The RCMP are not the government's to do with what they want. They act autonomously, following the regulations laid out in the police act....

....or not, at times, it seems.

An Act? They only act like cops?

....or not, at times, it seems.

 

[hunboldt]

For a better understanding of how the RCMP operates, go here. Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act

The RCMP are not the government's to do with what they want. They act autonomously, following the regulations laid out in the police act.



I did read it. Canada is not moving toward some weird form of feudal theocracy, as you posted. It is a constitutional monarchy and is in no danger of changing. I have not seen anything to show that it is changing. Regardless, this has nothing to do with the RCMP's actions in High River. You haven't connected the two.

AGAIN you don't read what has been actually written.
The Harpo regime is not the Crown, for Gawds sake.Not the Monarchy.

However, a perceived insult to the Harpo caused you to fire off a pile of internal complaints. Then attempt weird linkages.
He's your Beloved Leader, Murph. Not mine.

 

[DaSleeper]

AGAIN you don't read what has been actually written.
The Harpo regime is not the Crown, for Gawds sake.Not the Monarchy.

However, a perceived insult to the Harpo caused you to fire off a pile of internal complaints. Then attempt weird linkages.
He's your Beloved Leader, Murph. Not mine.

He is Canada's leader whether you voted for him or not-:smile: