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DaSleeper

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I find it laughable that you would consider the RCMP's actions a result of being part of "Harper's Gestapo". Are you suggesting that Harper ordered them to search the houses? Do you have evidence that his office directed the RCMP to do this?

His office has issued a statement saying that they should return the items promptly. He also said that they must have better things to do. If you have something that points to him ordering the search and seizure, please post it. If not, I think we should be looking at how the RCMP conducts their business.
Good points that the Harper haters fail to grasp.....
 

JLM

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The RCMP is now behaving like Harpers Gestapo. If there is no one in the town
and its the RCMP ensuring the city is locked down there is no need to worry
about the guns where they are. Under no circumstances am I happy about the
police going door to door searching people private belongings and taking guns
registered or otherwise. There is a procedure ensured by law that allows them
to do that this is not one of those cases. If they are in pursuit of looters and they
are assisting people in personal difficulty that is one thing. These activities are
not consistent with the situations. The cops are now engaged in break and enter
and taking personal property that does not belong to them. In fact they are the
only looters in the town.

We don't know what may have been reported to the cops and it's not up to them to disclose information until the operation is complete.
 

Murphy

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Isn't a good cop expected be able to make a decision on the spur of moment (general speaking) and take the necessary action? A lot of situations just don't allow for buggering around getting permission from some bureaucrat sitting at a desk.

I'm trying to understand why you would suggest that police should break into a house, pry open a gun cabinet and take what's inside without a warrant. Doing so, without proper authorization is a crime. Police are not allowed to break the law. Why would a police officer do this? Why would a supervisor order this intrusion?
 

JLM

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I find it laughable that you would consider the RCMP's actions a result of being part of "Harper's Gestapo". Are you suggesting that Harper ordered them to search the houses? Do you have evidence that his office directed the RCMP to do this?

His office has issued a statement saying that they should return the items promptly. He also said that they must have better things to do. If you have something that points to him ordering the search and seizure, please post it. If not, I think we should be looking at how the RCMP conducts their business.

Well, Harper is a Calgary boy and may have been driving around the area when he noticed something and called the cops.-:)

I'm trying to understand why you would suggest that police should break into a house, pry open a gun cabinet and take what's inside without a warrant. Doing so, without proper authorization is a crime. Police are not allowed to break the law. Why would a police officer do this? Why would a supervisor order this intrusion?

None of us are going to know until the reason is disclosed. I'm neither excusing them or condemning them, I simply don't know.
 

Murphy

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None of us are going to know until the reason is disclosed. I'm neither excusing them or condemning them, I simply don't know.

How do I put this politely. You are suggesting, by your post, that there was some undisclosed ulterior motive for these actions. Since the PMO's office has told them to return their property and to do something more important, I think we have the answer to your inference. The RCMP are responsible for this action. No one else.

Saying that you don't know why this was done, but suggesting that the Mounties were acting under direction from the government, is irresponsible.

Perhaps it was aliens that ordered the seizure so that they will not be injured or killed. :lol:
 

Locutus

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I find it laughable that you would consider the RCMP's actions a result of being part of "Harper's Gestapo". Are you suggesting that Harper ordered them to search the houses? Do you have evidence that his office directed the RCMP to do this?

His office has issued a statement saying that they should return the items promptly. He also said that they must have better things to do. If you have something that points to him ordering the search and seizure, please post it. If not, I think we should be looking at how the RCMP conducts their business.

It doesn't matter to the label-maker crowd.
 

JLM

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How do I put this politely. You are suggesting, by your post, that there was some undisclosed ulterior motive for these actions. Since the PMO's office has told them to return their property and to do something more important, I think we have the answer to your inference. The RCMP are responsible for this action. No one else.

Saying that you don't know why this was done, but suggesting that the Mounties were acting under direction from the government, is irresponsible.

Perhaps it was aliens that ordered the seizure so that they will not be injured or killed. :lol:

I think you are probably right and we probably do. I've just been on the planet long enough to know things aren't always as they seem. Innocent men have been hanged based on a higher degree of certainty.
 

hunboldt

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That's what I've been wondering about! If the cop had walked by a home and noticed a gun in plain sight on the kitchen table I could see it. I think more on this will eventually come out. Maybe an undercover cop was sitting in a bar and over heard some nefarious plans among a bunch of thugs. There's a million possibilities but until we hear one they are under suspicion.



What we appear to have gotten is ' Trickle down Feudalism,' where , like Bertald Brecht's Kaiser court, the poobahs are always looking to kick someone under them while sucking up to some higher up- in King Harpo's case, the American Corp. structure.

Yeh, there's grumbling among the poor stiffed peasants flooded out of High River-now we just have to show them who's in Charge...
 

gerryh

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The RCMP are responsible for this action. No one else.


Wrong, ultimately the Minister for Public Safety is responsible for all this since he is the one responsible for the RCMP. That would be Vic Toews.
 

skookumchuck

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Harpers Gestapo is a term used when the police force is out of control and the ultimate
responsibility for the forces is in the PMO's office. No he might not have know and I
don't believe he did, but he has created the climate of distrust

How conveniently you forget Chretiens gestapo, and numerous others........
 

gerryh

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How conveniently you forget Chretiens gestapo, and numerous others........


When Chretien was PM it was.... at this point in time only a moron would bring up Chretien since he has NOTHING to do with the present government nor does he have any control over the present RCMP.
 

Murphy

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Wrong, ultimately the Minister for Public Safety is responsible for all this since he is the one responsible for the RCMP. That would be Vic Toews.

No, I'm afraid you're wrong. He is the boss, yes, but the question still is, who ordered the search?

Toews' job will be to find out who actually issued the order. He will only be held accountable should he not investigate and determine what happened. Being responsible for employees means correcting or disciplining those who operate outside of the rules. It does not mean being punished for the actions of subordinates, unless you do not take timely, corrective action.
 

JLM

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Wrong, ultimately the Minister for Public Safety is responsible for all this since he is the one responsible for the RCMP. That would be Vic Toews.

Vic Toews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I doubt if he even knows where High River is and probably cares even less.
 

Jonny_C

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"Harper's Gestapo"?

I don't care who you are, that's funny. :p

I feel sorry (and outraged) for the residents of High River. When the flooding was over, I'd have wanted to be back at my own home, even if I had to camp out on the front lawn with a coleman stove and bottled water... and maybe a shotgun if the police can't handle a little emergency patrolling.
 

hunboldt

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No, I'm afraid you're wrong. He is the boss, yes, but the question still is, who ordered the search?

Toews' job will be to find out who actually issued the order. He will only be held accountable should he not investigate and determine what happened. Being responsible for employees means correcting or disciplining those who operate outside of the rules. It does not mean being punished for the actions of subordinates, unless you do not take timely, corrective action.


Murphy, you appear to be the last of the 'wide eyed innocents' .
We are being conditioned to accept, not the open market , private entrepreneurial economy that Reform promised,- but instead a weird form of feudal theocracy - a combination of surveillance, secrecy, and a blind worship that the 'American Corporate Structures' will make it ' all good for us'
where in reality- they extract and run.

the RCMP are conditioned to behave a federal shock troops - against us serfs. But I'm sure the higher ups in the Cons structures have their Grand Cayman islands accounts already - stocked...

"Harper's Gestapo"?

I don't care who you are, that's funny. :p

I feel sorry (and outraged) for the residents of High River. When the flooding was over, I'd have wanted to be back at my own home, even if I had to camp out on the front lawn with a coleman stove and bottled water... and maybe a shotgun if the police can't handle a little emergency patrolling.

Morris Manitoba, Population1,900 has had a fully functioning flood ring dike for decades. As have eighteen other Rural Manitoba communities.
still a big believer in Conservative 'planning'? Welcome to Waterworld...
 

Jonny_C

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Morris Manitoba, Population1,900 has had a fully functioning flood ring dike for decades. As have eighteen other Rural Manitoba communities.
still a big believer in Conservative 'planning'? Welcome to Waterworld...

I don't think I implied that anywhere in my post. As a matter of fact I know I didn't. ;-)
 

Murphy

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Murphy, you appear to be the last of the 'wide eyed innocents' .
We are being conditioned to accept, not the open market , private entrepreneurial economy that Reform promised,- but instead a weird form of feudal theocracy - a combination of surveillance, secrecy, and a blind worship that the 'American Corporate Structures' will make it ' all good for us'
where in reality- they extract and run.

the RCMP are conditioned to behave a federal shock troops - against us serfs. But I'm sure the higher ups in the Cons structures have their Grand Cayman islands accounts already - stocked...

I'm flattered that you would consider me a wide eyed innocent. :lol:

There is a real difference between what you suggest and the truth. I need proof, not unfounded conjecture. I will change my views when someone presents proof, not presumptions.

What you are talking about - the suggestion of Canada as a feudal theocracy - has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in High River, unless you believe a religious figure ordered the search, or religion somehow influenced the RCMP's actions. If you wish to make that argument, I'll need substantiation. Harper may attend church, but his beliefs did not figure into what happened in High River - not even indirectly.

Should you wish to argue that the government is using "a combination of surveillance, secrecy, and a blind worship that the 'American Corporate Structures' will make it ' all good for us' where in reality- they extract and run." then I suggest that you start another thread that discusses the evils of the CPC and how they are changing Canada. Be ready to provide evidence for that statement as well.

Innocence has nothing to do with it. Accusations without proof are meaningless.

In the meantime, we should continue to discuss the issue of the RCMP seizing firearms. Did they act lawfully? So far, nothing has been brought forward that shows the government ordered the Mounties to seize private property. Until evidence to that effect emerges, it's a lot of nonsensical talk.
 

skookumchuck

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When Chretien was PM it was.... at this point in time only a moron would bring up Chretien since he has NOTHING to do with the present government nor does he have any control over the present RCMP.

You just miss the obvious huh? Doing that and calling people names is very endearing to most morons.