Well, I'm sure juan figured that since it was a Catholic sect that I would take it at face value. Surprise surprise, just because I'm Catholic doesn't mean I believe everything they write.
Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza
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Well, I'm sure juan figured that since it was a Catholic sect that I would take it at face value. Surprise surprise, just because I'm Catholic doesn't mean I believe everything they write.
OK Buckey - It only hurts going in.
BBC News - Syria chemical weapons: Obama says world is watching
On Sunday, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that at least 19,106 people had been killed since March 2011. The UN said in May that at least 10,000 people had been killed.
Very interesting concerted effort by Dancing Loony and cubbytabfetgoeobsessed.
My inner self-Karma Man strikes again
Israel orders demolition of 8 Palestinian villages, claims need for IDF training land - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
Israel orders demolition of 8 Palestinian villages, claims need for IDF training land
Israel orders demolition of 8 Palestinian villages, claims need for IDF training land
Hmmm, I don't have a subscription, so I read it here...
Israel orders demolition of eight Palestinian villages for IDF training sites — RT
It's not the third largest and oldest daily Jewmedia in Israel, but it will have to do.
It means at least two people here with a subscription.....Goreabfootinmouth and the one who gave him a greenie
It means at least two people here with a subscription.....Goreabfootinmouth and the one who gave him a greenie
Kinda hard to guess who that would be.
Naah....I saw who else was on the forum at the time when the page auto-reloaded with a greenie:lol:
I don't have a subscription but what would be the problem with having a subscription to Haaretz?
You trolls trying to deflect the topic off blatant Israeli crimes.
You trolls trying to deflect the topic off blatant Israeli crimes.
Nothing. It's Israels third largest, and oldest, daily publication.
LiesOfTheIdiot posted a link to an article they published, and claimed you wouldn't be reading about it in any Jewmedia.
You should have been there, you just can't make up that kind of dumb.
You'll have to prove it's a crime first, before you can claim it's a crime.
In the link...
Then why post a link to an article you can't read completely...
Unless you post links that (on the surface) seem to support your viewpoint...without fully reading them.....
This is nothing new. I pointed that out to him in one of his earlier incarnations, when he posted a link to an article that supported my position, lol.
Why are you afraid to read and gather information from differing sources. Oh yes. It is Jewish. Why doing that would be the same as a Muslim eating pork.
lol really? Because if I recall my history correctly (which I do), it was the Arab armies, including the Palestinians, that attacked Israel in 1948. 60 years is also long before the "Palestinians" existed, at that time they were Southern Syrians. But you already knew that. And there seems to have been a severe lack of clamoring for Justice between 1948 and 1967, when the West Bank was Jordanian and Gaza was Egyptian. You forgot to mention that.
O, and if you want your little fantasy comparison to hold up, Colpy and the the rest of the provinces will be attacking the new Palestinian immigrants, after being given 80% of NB, and not being satisfied with roughly half of the remaining 20% in a second partition of NB, even after the Palestinians agreed to their measly 10%. The Palestinians will successfully defend themselves from the brutal attack, and go on to build one of the strongest economies in world, despite Colpy and his henchmen using untold billions of UN aid dollars to fire missiles and rockets at the Palestinians' modest little corner of Canada. Why should Colpy and his neighbors wait peacefully when they can take a page out of the real Palestinian play book - and have you defending them at every turn, castigating the Palestinians as war criminals and demanding justice for Colpy and his murderous minions..
Sounds about right.
btw Concordia has already been declared "Palestinian Territory" by Palestinian students. Not quite New Brunswick, but it's a start.
People who support the ethnic cleansing of Palestine of non-Jews and other Israeli atrocities believe a version of history unsupported by the evidence. This invented narrative of Jews returning home to Israel is designed to twist a foreign invasion into an act of defense and portray hostile invaders as innocent victims. Even Jewish historians have rejected these distortions, deliberate deceptions and outright lies:
New Historians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Genetic and archeological evidence prove Palestinian history in this region goes back to prehistoric times. Palestinians (Muslims, Christians and Jews) and Jews who originate from this region are essentially the same race.
Epiphenom: The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians
Jews that left this region in the first and second century tended to keep their religion and intermarried with European, African and Asian converts to Judaism. Only the people that left can claim they are returning home. Unless some of these people are still alive (they would be 1800+ years old), Jews who claim they are "returning home" to Israel but were born somewhere else clearly fit the definition of immigrants.
The Jews that stayed in this region are ancestors of Palestinians. Over the centuries these people intermarried with immigrants and a majority converted to Islam and Christianity. These people clearly fit the definition of indigenous people.
The name Palestine originates from 390AD when this region was ruled by the Romans. By the time this region was conquered by the Ottomans, the indigenous Muslims, Christians and Jews were already known collectively as Palestinians.
Timeline of the name Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Under Ottoman rule, all Palestinians (Muslims, Christians and Jews) lived together relatively peacefully. Jews and Christians were protected by the Ottomans as long as they paid their taxes.
Starting in the late 1800's European Jews began to immigrate to Palestine to avoid European discrimination, injustice and oppression as part of a movement known as Zionism. Zionists claimed that Palestine was "A land without people for a people without land". The only land without people at the time would have been Antarctica. Nearly every other region of the planet has been populated for tens of thousands of years just like Palestine. This "Land without people" lie is just one of many Zionist distortions and deceptions they promote in order to support their goal of cleansing Palestine of non-Jewish Palestinians.
By 1948, the land Zionists claimed had no people, was populated by about 1.3 million indigenous Palestinians (Muslims, Christians and Jews).
European Jewish immigration to Palestine increased dramatically in the 1930's and 40's as a result increased European oppression and injustice towards Jews. By the early 1940's European Jews faced extermination if they didn't emigrate. Millions of Jews fled Europe. Hundreds of thousands illegally immigrated to the British Mandate of Palestine.
In 1947 the UN proposed a partition plan for European Jews living in the British Mandate of Palestine. The plan ignored the rights of hundreds of thousands indigenous Palestinians who lived here before European Jewish refugees began immigrating to the British Mandate of Palestine. The UN Partition plan proposed turning hundreds of thousands of indigenous Palestinian Muslims and Christians into second class citizens in a state for mostly European Jewish immigrants. Even though the indigenous Palestinians were the majority in the region (about 70%), they were never consulted and no vote was taken regarding the UN plan. The UN partition plan divided up the British Mandate of Palestine so the European immigrant side had a slim Jewish majority (55/45), more territory, the best farmland and control over the water resources. The majority non-immigrant Palestinians which had an overwhelming Muslim and Christian majority (99/1) got less land, (very little of it arable) and no control over the water resources. Most of the indigenous Palestinian side was desert.
The 1947 UN partition plan helped solve a post WW II European refugee crisis by shifting the burden onto the indigenous Palestinians. Anyone in the world claiming to be Jewish could go to Palestine and help the Zionist immigrants cleanse the British Mandate of Palestine of indigenous non-Jews. That ethnic cleansing war continues to this day.
Jewish Israeli historians have determined that the Jewish immigrants to Palestine never intended to share Palestine with non-Jewish Palestinians. The Zionists had always envisioned turning Palestine into a Jewish only state and removing the indigenous non-Jews. Zionists often disagreed about the means to remove non-Jews, but they always agreed that the Jewish state would have a Jewish majority and in order for that to happen, hundreds of thousands of non-Jew had to leave. Some Zionists proposed non-violent means of achieving this goal (I could even support some of their proposed non-violent methods). But the Zionists who proposed violent ethnic cleansing eventually got their way. By the time the British had abandoned their Palestinian mission (1948), Zionist terrorists and war criminals had already killed thousands of non-Jewish Palestinians in a series of atrocities and terrorist acts:
List of Irgun attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lehi (group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The first two waves of Palestinian refugees had already fled Palestine by the time the European immigrants declared independence:
1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The indigenous people never invited the European Jewish immigrants. The indigenous Palestinians were never consulted when the UN gave their land to mostly European immigrants. Zionists came to this region as immigrants and started the ongoing ethnic cleansing war. As a result of Zionism, millions of indigenous Palestinians live as nationless refugees without recognized rights or freedoms in terrible oppression and injustice. People living this way tend to become violent over time...
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FYI: while researching the above, I came across evidence that Zionists and Nazis openly collaborated with each other:
Zionism and the Third Reich
From an Israel Website:
Avraham Stern (1907-1942) was born in Poland to a learned Zionist family...Stern, who viewed the British, more then the Arabs, as the primary enemy of the Jews and the principal obstacle to Jewish independence, called strongly for an armed struggle against the British.... in August, 1940, when the Irgun decided to suspend their attacks on the British during World War II, Stern formed a radical splinter opposition group, known as Lehi, an acronym for “Lohamei Herut Yisrael.” He maintained that, even in the face of the Nazi threat, it was the British who posed the major threat to the Jews; doubting the Allies could win the war, he even advocated an alliance with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, believing these ties would assist the nationalist effort in Eretz Yisrael.
Avraham Stern
My point is that the indigenous people living in Palestine have been known collectively as Palestinians since they were conquered by the Ottomans. While Palestinians have been a conquered people since Roman times, that doesn't mean they don't exist or that they shouldn't have the same rights and freedoms as the rest of us.
Foreign interference has been a constant obstacle to Palestinian statehood. Not much has changed:
Barack Obama tells Mahmoud Abbas US will veto Palestinian statehood bid
Barack Obama tells Mahmoud Abbas US will veto Palestinian statehood bid - Telegraph
Zionism and the Third Reich
From an Israel Website:
Avraham Stern (1907-1942) was born in Poland to a learned Zionist family...Stern, who viewed the British, more then the Arabs, as the primary enemy of the Jews and the principal obstacle to Jewish independence, called strongly for an armed struggle against the British.... in August, 1940, when the Irgun decided to suspend their attacks on the British during World War II, Stern formed a radical splinter opposition group, known as Lehi, an acronym for “Lohamei Herut Yisrael.” He maintained that, even in the face of the Nazi threat, it was the British who posed the major threat to the Jews; doubting the Allies could win the war, he even advocated an alliance with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, believing these ties would assist the nationalist effort in Eretz Yisrael.
Avraham Stern
First you name the President or PM of the Israel in 1947.
My point is that the indigenous people living in Palestine have been known collectively as Palestinians since they were conquered by the Ottomans. While Palestinians have been a conquered people since Roman times, that doesn't mean they don't exist or that they shouldn't have the same rights and freedoms as the rest of us.
Foreign interference has been a constant obstacle to Palestinian statehood. Not much has changed:
Barack Obama tells Mahmoud Abbas US will veto Palestinian statehood bid
Barack Obama tells Mahmoud Abbas US will veto Palestinian statehood bid - Telegraph
Did they design the Concentration Camps together? Did they plan the Night of Broken Glass together? How much input did the Jewish people have in the Final Solution?
Some Zionists under Stern's leadership proposed an alliance with the Nazis to achieve their common goal... moving Jews out of Germany. I suggest you click on my link and read the sections "Active Collaboration" and Zionists Offer a Military Alliance With Hitler
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html
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There wasn't any.
Now back to my question please.
Sure they exist. Many people exist. Kurds, Basques, Welsh, First Nations, American Indians, Inuits. We could go on and on.