Apache finds massive Canadian shale-gas field

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CDNBear said:
Care to share?
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According to PA DCNR they are issuing 18,000 water well drilling licenses annually with ZERO State regs on water well construction.


Does using a licensed driller insure my well will be properly constructed?
Unfortunately it does not. Drillers are NOT required to demonstrate knowledge of proper drilling or well construction practices in order to become licensed. Pennsylvania has developed construction standards for public water-supply wells, but not for private water wells. There are no statewide construction standards for domestic supply wells. Visit the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) web page on private wells for more information. Also, check with your township or county government for applicable local ordinances.
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petros said:
According to PA DCNR they are issuing 18,000 water well drilling licenses annually with ZERO State regs on water well construction.
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That still does not explain why old wells suddenly become contaminated.

The industry isn't a reliable source of information because of their obvious agenda. And Kaka Man has an obvious bias and is just as reliable.
 
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Cliffy said:
That still does not explain why old wells suddenly become contaminated.

The industry isn't a reliable source of information because of their obvious agenda. And Kaka Man has an obvious bias and is just as reliable.
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I think if a water well gets contaminated chances are it happened from above and not below the well.
Gravity and all that.
 
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Cliffy said:
That still does not explain why old wells suddenly become contaminated.

The industry isn't a reliable source of information because of their obvious agenda. And Kaka Man has an obvious bias and is just as reliable.
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When a new neighbour comes along and hires an unregulated moron to drill into the same aquifer as your's and the unregulated moron ****s up it kills the entire aquifer whether new or old.
 
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Kakato said:
Peeps should be more concerned about nutbars like wiebo Ludwig going out and blowing up risers from sour gas pipelines.
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Why more concerned?

There are only a few nutters that take criminal action. While you yourself have stated that there are thousands of fracking sites and more on the way.

petros said:
According to PA DCNR they are issuing 18,000 water well drilling licenses annually with ZERO State regs on water well construction.
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That's interesting, can you provide a correlation with affected areas. Where concerns and issues have arisen?

Kakato said:
I think if a water well gets contaminated chances are it happened from above and not below the well.
Gravity and all that.
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Ummm, you do realize that the fluid isn't just poured down a well hole right?

Just how much pressure do you think it takes to fracture substrate?

Maybe you should have read the link I provided the other day. The pretty pictures would have prevented you from making such a ridiculous statement.
 
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CDNBear said:
I couldn't agree more.

Although I would go so far as to place a moratorium on it, until such time as the industry produces the recipe for fracking fluid, a plan that will ensure the integrity of ground water, and finally a bond to be held in trust for the life of the well. To help cover the costs of ANY negative changes to the water quality or level in the surrounding area.
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Interesting idea!
 
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CDNBear said:
Why more concerned?

There are only a few nutters that take criminal action. While you yourself have stated that there are thousands of fracking sites and more on the way.

That's interesting, can you provide a correlation with affected areas. Where concerns and issues have arisen?

Ummm, you do realize that the fluid isn't just poured down a well hole right?

Just how much pressure do you think it takes to fracture substrate?

Maybe you should have read the link I provided the other day. The pretty pictures would have prevented you from making such a ridiculous statement.
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Do you realize how much deeper a gas or oil well is then a water well?
Have you ever seen a drill rig next to a water well?

Pretty hard pressed for frac fluid to find its way to someones well a mile away.
The compressors on the service rigs arent that big.
 
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Kakato said:
I just know they have been doing it for decades here and our water is fine,it was even voted best drinking water in Canada at one time which is surprising considering the amount of abandoned strip mines around here and 1500 kilometers of abandoned underground tunnels that are all full of water.
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And beer drinkers are the judge of drinking water quality?
 
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Kakato said:
Do you realize how much deeper a gas or oil well is then a water well?
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Yep. Do you realize that the liners have been known to fail at differing depths? That the pressures used to fracture the substrate can blow out wells 3/4 of a mile away?

Have you ever seen a drill rig next to a water well?
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Maybe you should read the links once in a while...

http://www.businessinsider.com/ther...acking-fluid-at-this-pennsylvania-site-2012-5

Pretty hard pressed for frac fluid to find its way to someones well a mile away.
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Hydro Frack Blows Out a Producing Oil Well at Innisfail Alberta - Alberta Surface Rights Group

An oil well 3/4 of a mile is bad enough.

The compressors on the service rigs arent that big.
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LOL.
 
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CDNBear said:
Are you back to that silly strawman?

Geezus dude, raise your bar a little. You're removing a lot of doubt.
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If it's such a concern their must be some reason people are so against it.Is it a health issue?
Has anyone died as a direct result of fracking? Fair question,smoking kills more then fracking.

There is no question that hydraulic fracturing uses a lot of water: It can take up to 7 million gallons to frack a single well, and at least 30 percent of that water is lost forever, after being trapped deep in the shale. And while there is some evidence that fracking has contributed to the depletion of water supplies in drought-stricken Texas, a study by Carnegie Mellon University indicates the Marcellus region has plenty of water and, in most cases, an adequate system to regulate its usage. The amount of water required to drill all 2916 of the Marcellus wells permitted in Pennsylvania in the first 11 months of 2010 would equal the amount of drinking water used by just one city, Pittsburgh, during the same period, says environmental engineering professor Jeanne VanBriesen, the study's lead author. Plus, she notes, water withdrawals of this new industry are taking the place of water once used by industries, like steel manufacturing, that the state has lost. Hydrogeologist David Yoxtheimer of Penn State's Marcellus Center for Outreach and Research gives the withdrawals more context: Of the 9.5 billion gallons of water used daily in Pennsylvania, natural gas development consumes 1.9 million gallons a day (mgd); livestock use 62 mgd; mining, 96 mgd; and industry, 770 mgd.

Read more: Is Fracking Safe? The Top 10 Myths About Natural Gas Drilling - Popular Mechanics

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/coal-oil-gas/top-10-myths-about-natural-gas-drilling-6386593#slide-2

No way we use that much water on the wells i,m on.
 
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Omicron said:
The corporations have the information, which they collect as a matter of course because if they don't they might get slammed by the almighty-seeing-eye of shareholder-ownership, and it's this: It seriously messes up deep-ground water-flow.

At first glance that's a big "so what". Most people only think about shallow-ground water-flow, like why you don't build an outhouse too close to a well, but deep-ground waterflow is the source of springs.

If you go wild with fracking, then every spring-source of water you've got gets erased from the map.

At that point, lots of people living in places like Toronto, Monteal, Vancouver and Calgary think "so what?". They think springs are cute little two-meter wide pools flowing out as little brooks a foot-wide.

Many don't know that some major sources of fresh water start as springs gushing tens of thousands of gallons of water per day, and they don't know that springs come from fresh water seeping through underground fissuers in the rock coming from sources hundreds of miles away.

Tell the corps they must replace, or pay for the cost of replacement, of fresh water lost to fracking if existing people and businesses depend on the spring-water lost.
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Thank you for this alarmist tripe, totally devoid of any factual information.
 
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