Israeli Planes Attack Gaza Targets
- Thread starter Liberalman
- Start date
Or what the First Nations think of Canadians.
Don't pretend you're innocent there.
IS,
Biblical or historical events which happened or are believed to have happened thousands of years ago can not be a legal basis for establishing property rights. Anyone who believes this should have their head examined.
Attempts to portray Palestinian usurpers or squatters is not even good propaganda. Palestinian birth, marriage and death records prove most Palestinians can trace their ancestry in this region for hundreds of years. Some can even prove their ancestors were living in this rgion for over a thousand years. DNA from both Jews and Palestinians support the view that most Jews and Palestinians share common ancestors. Many Jews who recently immigrated to Israel (allegedly their ancestral homeland) can't even trace their ancestry back to this region. When Jews came to Spain, Russia, Ethiopia and many other places, often local people would convert or marry Jews. Judaism is a religion, not a race. Claiming adherents to this "religion" have an ancestral homeland in Palestine and a right to cleanse Palestine of Palestinians makes about as much sense as claiming that every Roman Catholic has an ancestral homeland in Italy and Roman Catholics from the Philippines have a right to cleanse Italy of Italians.
The DNA evidence indicates that not all Jews left this area. Some left and others stayed behind. Most of the descendents of those that stayed converted to Islam or married into Islam at some point. Most whose ancestors used to be Jews and are now Muslims, Christians and are today known as Palestinians. While its true that some Palestinians are immigrants, the overwhelming majority can trace their ancestry back for hundreds if not thousands of years. but most can trace their ancestry back to this region for at least as long as
We are all Africans and our homeland is a region near Ethiopia. Outside of this region where we all originate we are all immigrants.
10 Dec. '08: Hebron: Willful abandonment by security forces
On 4 December, immediately after the settlement in Hebron's a-Ras neighborhood (“the House in Dispute”) was evicted, B'Tselem issued a public call to security forces to protect the Palestinian residents of the city, and Palestinians throughout the West Bank, from expected acts of revenge by settlers.
In the weeks that preceded the eviction, settlers attacked Palestinians and damaged Palestinian property daily in Hebron. Although these attacks were extensive and prolonged, Israel's security forces failed to prevent them. In one of the incidents that B'Tselem documented, on 30 November, about 50 settlers entered a Palestinian neighborhood at 2:00 A.M., accompanied by an army jeep. The settlers threw stones that shattered windowpanes of houses and of some 25 cars, and punctured the tires of the cars. They then threw stones at houses in the neighborhood and shattered windowpanes.
Despite B'Tselem's warning, and despite the high probability that attacks of this kind would occur, the security forces failed to properly protect the city's Palestinian residents also after the eviction, when settlers invaded Palestinian neighborhoods in the city, torched houses and cars, threw stones, shattered windowpanes, and damaged solar-heated water tanks, satellite dishes, and water containers.
A particularly severe attack occurred in Hebron's Wadi al-Hussein neighborhood, by the house of the al-Matariyeh and Abu Sa'ifan families. Jamal Abu-Sa'ifan, a participant in B'Tselem's camera distribution project, filmed the event. A settler fired at three members of the al-Matariyeh family from close range, wounding them. A second settler fired into the air and towards the photographer, trying also to grab the camera from him. A third settler fired into the air and towards the house. B'Tselem handed over the video to the police the same day. Two of the suspects surrendered themselves to the police two days later and have since been released.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g9mBjxEiHI
The footage of the attack. Filmed by Jamal Abu Sa'ifan, 4 December 2008
Following the shooting, dozens of settlers attacked the houses of the two families and their neighbors. They threw stones at the houses, climbed onto the roofs and damaged solar-heated water tanks and satellite dishes, and set fires near the houses and on farmland.
Hebron: Willful abandonment by security forces - YouTube
Settlers attack the families' house after the shooting. Filmed by B'Tselem, 4 December 2008.
B'Tselem field worker 'Issa 'Amro filmed fires started by settlers in Wadi al-Hussein, the same neighborhood where the shooting incident occurred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D3zrrp6Q-Q
At the same time, settlers also attacked Palestinians elsewhere in the West Bank. These attacks included stone throwing at houses and cars, destroying property, setting fires, and spraying graffiti on the walls of mosques.
Graffiti reading “Death to Arabs” and “Hebron” sprayed by settlers on a Palestinian ambulance in Dir Astiyeh, Salfit District, the central West Bank. Photo: Ra'aed Moqdi, B'Tselem, 4 December 2008.
http://www.btselem.org/settler_violence/20081210_hebron_riots
Biblical or historical events which happened or are believed to have happened thousands of years ago can not be a legal basis for establishing property rights. Anyone who believes this should have their head examined.
Attempts to portray Palestinian usurpers or squatters is not even good propaganda. Palestinian birth, marriage and death records prove most Palestinians can trace their ancestry in this region for hundreds of years. Some can even prove their ancestors were living in this rgion for over a thousand years. DNA from both Jews and Palestinians support the view that most Jews and Palestinians share common ancestors. Many Jews who recently immigrated to Israel (allegedly their ancestral homeland) can't even trace their ancestry back to this region. When Jews came to Spain, Russia, Ethiopia and many other places, often local people would convert or marry Jews. Judaism is a religion, not a race. Claiming adherents to this "religion" have an ancestral homeland in Palestine and a right to cleanse Palestine of Palestinians makes about as much sense as claiming that every Roman Catholic has an ancestral homeland in Italy and Roman Catholics from the Philippines have a right to cleanse Italy of Italians.
The DNA evidence indicates that not all Jews left this area. Some left and others stayed behind. Most of the descendents of those that stayed converted to Islam or married into Islam at some point. Most whose ancestors used to be Jews and are now Muslims, Christians and are today known as Palestinians. While its true that some Palestinians are immigrants, the overwhelming majority can trace their ancestry back for hundreds if not thousands of years. but most can trace their ancestry back to this region for at least as long as
We are all Africans and our homeland is a region near Ethiopia. Outside of this region where we all originate we are all immigrants.
10 Dec. '08: Hebron: Willful abandonment by security forces
On 4 December, immediately after the settlement in Hebron's a-Ras neighborhood (“the House in Dispute”) was evicted, B'Tselem issued a public call to security forces to protect the Palestinian residents of the city, and Palestinians throughout the West Bank, from expected acts of revenge by settlers.
In the weeks that preceded the eviction, settlers attacked Palestinians and damaged Palestinian property daily in Hebron. Although these attacks were extensive and prolonged, Israel's security forces failed to prevent them. In one of the incidents that B'Tselem documented, on 30 November, about 50 settlers entered a Palestinian neighborhood at 2:00 A.M., accompanied by an army jeep. The settlers threw stones that shattered windowpanes of houses and of some 25 cars, and punctured the tires of the cars. They then threw stones at houses in the neighborhood and shattered windowpanes.
Despite B'Tselem's warning, and despite the high probability that attacks of this kind would occur, the security forces failed to properly protect the city's Palestinian residents also after the eviction, when settlers invaded Palestinian neighborhoods in the city, torched houses and cars, threw stones, shattered windowpanes, and damaged solar-heated water tanks, satellite dishes, and water containers.
A particularly severe attack occurred in Hebron's Wadi al-Hussein neighborhood, by the house of the al-Matariyeh and Abu Sa'ifan families. Jamal Abu-Sa'ifan, a participant in B'Tselem's camera distribution project, filmed the event. A settler fired at three members of the al-Matariyeh family from close range, wounding them. A second settler fired into the air and towards the photographer, trying also to grab the camera from him. A third settler fired into the air and towards the house. B'Tselem handed over the video to the police the same day. Two of the suspects surrendered themselves to the police two days later and have since been released.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g9mBjxEiHI
The footage of the attack. Filmed by Jamal Abu Sa'ifan, 4 December 2008
Following the shooting, dozens of settlers attacked the houses of the two families and their neighbors. They threw stones at the houses, climbed onto the roofs and damaged solar-heated water tanks and satellite dishes, and set fires near the houses and on farmland.
Hebron: Willful abandonment by security forces - YouTube
Settlers attack the families' house after the shooting. Filmed by B'Tselem, 4 December 2008.
B'Tselem field worker 'Issa 'Amro filmed fires started by settlers in Wadi al-Hussein, the same neighborhood where the shooting incident occurred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D3zrrp6Q-Q
At the same time, settlers also attacked Palestinians elsewhere in the West Bank. These attacks included stone throwing at houses and cars, destroying property, setting fires, and spraying graffiti on the walls of mosques.
Graffiti reading “Death to Arabs” and “Hebron” sprayed by settlers on a Palestinian ambulance in Dir Astiyeh, Salfit District, the central West Bank. Photo: Ra'aed Moqdi, B'Tselem, 4 December 2008.
http://www.btselem.org/settler_violence/20081210_hebron_riots
Last edited:
Everyone who has been here for a while knows your game CB. You continuously try to smear people you don't like with $hit labels, knowing that over time some of it starts to stick. I post my opinions like you, but unlike you, I back them up with links to reputable sources. BTW, The information in my last post comes from an Israeli Human rights source:
B'TSELEM - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories was established in 1989 by a group of prominent academics, attorneys, journalists, and Knesset members. It endeavors to document and educate the Israeli public and policymakers about human rights violations in the Occupied Territories, combat the phenomenon of denial prevalent among the Israeli public, and help create a human rights culture in Israel.
About B
I would like to see this conflict resolved peacefully. But that won't happen if people support the war criminals on either side. Canada is going to sign a Mutual Defense Pact with the Israeli war criminals. Our government wouldn't dare to consider such a relationship if more Canadians knew the truth about this conflict. Unfortunately most Canadians know little more than what their idiot box tells them, which is mostly pro-Israeli BS.
Far too many Canadians including you, get their information from popular Islamaphobic hate sites. You might recognize the names in bold.
Breivik has been linked to a document entitled 2083: A European Declaration of Independence bearing the name "Andrew Berwick". The file was e-mailed to 1,003 addresses about 90 minutes before the bomb blast in Oslo.[91][92] The document describes two years of preparation of unspecified attacks, supposedly planned for autumn 2011, involving a rented Volkswagen Crafter van (just small enough not to require a truck driving license) loaded with 1160 kg of ammonium nitrate/fuel oil explosive(ANFO), a Ruger Mini-14 semi-automatic rifle ("the most 'army like' rifle allowed in Norway"), a Glock 34 pistol, personal armor including a shield, caltrops, and police insignias. It also reports that Breivik spent thousands of hours on gathering email addresses from Facebook for distribution of the document, and that he rented a farm as a cover for a fake farming company buying fertilizer (3 tons for producing explosives and 3 tons of a harmless kind to avoid suspicion) and as a lab. It describes burying a crate with the armor etc. in July 2010 in the woods, and collecting it on July 4, 2011, and abandoning his plan to replace it with survival gear because he did not have a second pistol.
The introductory chapter of the manifesto defining "Cultural Marxism" is a copy of Political Correctness: A Short History of an Ideology by the Free Congress Foundation.[93][94][95] Major parts of the compendium are attributed to the pseudonymous Norwegian blogger Fjordman.[96] The text also copies sections of the Unabomber manifesto, without giving credit, while exchanging the words "leftists" for "cultural Marxists" and "black people" for "muslims".[97] The New York Times described American influences in the writings, noting that the compendium mentions the anti-Islamist American Robert Spencer 64 times and cites Spencer's works at great length.[98] The work of Bat Ye'or[99] is cited dozens of times.[100] Neoconservative blogger Pamela Geller,[101] Neo-pagan writer Koenraad Elst[102] and Daniel Pipes are also mentioned as sources of inspiration.[103] The manifesto further contains quotes from Thomas Jefferson and George Orwell,[104] as well as from Jeremy Clarkson's Sunday Times column and Melanie Phillips' Daily Mail column.[105] The publication speaks in admiration of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Bruce Bawer, Srđa Trifković,[106] and Henryk M. Broder.[107] The compendium advocates a restoration of patriarchy which it claims would save European culture.[108][109]
Anders Behring Breivik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
B'TSELEM - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories was established in 1989 by a group of prominent academics, attorneys, journalists, and Knesset members. It endeavors to document and educate the Israeli public and policymakers about human rights violations in the Occupied Territories, combat the phenomenon of denial prevalent among the Israeli public, and help create a human rights culture in Israel.
About B
I would like to see this conflict resolved peacefully. But that won't happen if people support the war criminals on either side. Canada is going to sign a Mutual Defense Pact with the Israeli war criminals. Our government wouldn't dare to consider such a relationship if more Canadians knew the truth about this conflict. Unfortunately most Canadians know little more than what their idiot box tells them, which is mostly pro-Israeli BS.
Far too many Canadians including you, get their information from popular Islamaphobic hate sites. You might recognize the names in bold.
Breivik has been linked to a document entitled 2083: A European Declaration of Independence bearing the name "Andrew Berwick". The file was e-mailed to 1,003 addresses about 90 minutes before the bomb blast in Oslo.[91][92] The document describes two years of preparation of unspecified attacks, supposedly planned for autumn 2011, involving a rented Volkswagen Crafter van (just small enough not to require a truck driving license) loaded with 1160 kg of ammonium nitrate/fuel oil explosive(ANFO), a Ruger Mini-14 semi-automatic rifle ("the most 'army like' rifle allowed in Norway"), a Glock 34 pistol, personal armor including a shield, caltrops, and police insignias. It also reports that Breivik spent thousands of hours on gathering email addresses from Facebook for distribution of the document, and that he rented a farm as a cover for a fake farming company buying fertilizer (3 tons for producing explosives and 3 tons of a harmless kind to avoid suspicion) and as a lab. It describes burying a crate with the armor etc. in July 2010 in the woods, and collecting it on July 4, 2011, and abandoning his plan to replace it with survival gear because he did not have a second pistol.
The introductory chapter of the manifesto defining "Cultural Marxism" is a copy of Political Correctness: A Short History of an Ideology by the Free Congress Foundation.[93][94][95] Major parts of the compendium are attributed to the pseudonymous Norwegian blogger Fjordman.[96] The text also copies sections of the Unabomber manifesto, without giving credit, while exchanging the words "leftists" for "cultural Marxists" and "black people" for "muslims".[97] The New York Times described American influences in the writings, noting that the compendium mentions the anti-Islamist American Robert Spencer 64 times and cites Spencer's works at great length.[98] The work of Bat Ye'or[99] is cited dozens of times.[100] Neoconservative blogger Pamela Geller,[101] Neo-pagan writer Koenraad Elst[102] and Daniel Pipes are also mentioned as sources of inspiration.[103] The manifesto further contains quotes from Thomas Jefferson and George Orwell,[104] as well as from Jeremy Clarkson's Sunday Times column and Melanie Phillips' Daily Mail column.[105] The publication speaks in admiration of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Bruce Bawer, Srđa Trifković,[106] and Henryk M. Broder.[107] The compendium advocates a restoration of patriarchy which it claims would save European culture.[108][109]
Anders Behring Breivik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Last edited:
You should seek help for that paranoia. I don't dislike anyone here. I don't know the bulk of the membership. In fact, save for a rare few, I'd sit down and buy any member a beer, if I bumped into them in real life, including you.
Since when challenged about your commentary, I use your posts... So your posts aren't a reputable source now? I've always thought so, but I'm glad you agree with me now.
I don't deny that Israel makes egregious errors, poor choices and sometimes place civilians in harms way for nothing more than chest thumping retaliation.
But unlike you, Jihadwatch, and a myriad of other ideologues, I'm not trying to demonize anybody. You guys have the market cornered.
So I guess that's a no, you won't be taking a break from demonizing Israel over Christmas.
CB:Since when challenged about your commentary, I use your posts... So your posts aren't a reputable source now? I've always thought so, but I'm glad you agree with me now.
WTF?
WTF?
I have, no less then 4 times, support my claims regarding your position, when you've challenged me to do so (Though you've NEVER done so, when I've challenged you to do so, after one of your usual smear CDNBear campaigns).
In so doing, I have used your posts as a source. You claimed I don't use reputable sources.
I agree.
Last edited:
Your first contention, that the history of Jews in Israel (Judea) comes solely from the Bible is idiotic. Ever hear of the Roman Empire??? (probably not) Well, Roman history is separate from the Bible, and the Romans had their problems in Judea....and NOT with the "Palestinians"
Perhaps you should read a book or two before you start rambling off like a complete idiot.
Then you double-down......I already gave you chapter and verse on the DNA of Jews..........you can read can't you???
Jews are overwhelmingly from Middle Eastern blood lines, they are NOT white Europeans.
So tell me, is there a bit of Jew-hating BS you won't repeat?
do you believe the Holocaust happened???
Or was it an invention???
Or did they desrve it.
You are truely loathsome.
Whether or not the Palestinians are a recently invented people seems rather irrelevant to resolving the Israeli/Palestinian conflict today given they identify today as a people and are rejected by other peoples, be it Israel or Jordan and Egypt. I think there are close relations between Palestinians in the West Bank and Jordan, and between those in Gaza and Egypt. But that's irrelevant too since both these countries and much of the Arab world decided to keep the Palestinians hostage to statelessness in their hopes of destroying Israel. More recently, when declaring the Palestinian state, the Palestinian leadership showed its determination to continue with this strategy when it said that Palestinian refugees, even those who have lived in "refugee camps" in the Palestinian state will not be given citizenship. In a way, when they did this, they were agreeing with the claim there is no Palestinian people, not even those who live among them.
How Does The Bible Compare to Other Ancient Books?
So, is the Bible really all that accurate? You've head it before. Maybe it's by friends or a teacher....but, you've heard it: "Sure the Bible is a good book, but, it's got mistakes." Well, take a look at the evidence and decide for yourself. With regards to the Old Testament, the Jewish copyists of the Hebrew Scriptures had to follow strict rules:
What about the New Testament you ask? There are two important factors involved in determining the reliability of a historical document:
Author
When Written
Earliest Copy Still in Existence Today
Time Span Between 1st Written and Oldest Copy
Number of Ancient Copies in Existence Today
The Scriptures were written by over 40 different authors, over a period of approximately 1,500 years. These authors not only lived in different time periods, but were also in totally different cultures, living in totally different environments, over 3 different continents, in a wide variety of occupations. Yet, miraculously, all the books of Scripture are in complete unity and agreement, revealing the Nature of God, man and his relationship to God, and how God planned to restore that relationship. Scriptures are completely in agreement in controversial matters such as God, the meaning of life, etc...
NOTE: Try getting even 5 people in 1 period of time, in 1 culture, to be in complete unity and thought about even a simple controversial subject, i.e. "What about T.V.?". Scripture are one in thought because the were under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
The Bible is the only book that bases its authenticity and authority on prophecy. No other books, such as the Koran, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Hindu Vedas, the Book of Mormon, the sayings of Budda or Confucious, have the element of prophecy in them. There were 25 specific prophecies of Jesus’s birth,betrayal, trial, death, burial, etc.... These were made by different men living between 1000 BC and 500 BC (500 years apart). Yet all were perfectly fulfilled be Jesus.
There were a total of 109 specific prophesies fulfilled at Jesus’s first coming.
There are hundreds of fulfilled prophesies in the ancient and modern history of the Jewish people.
The Scriptures contain advanced medical and sanitation knowledge that was thousands of years ahead of its time.
Several years ago archeologists found in the Hinnom Valley near Jerusalem, two silver charms with biblical inscriptions on them, Numbers 6:24-26. When compared to modern Bible translations they are essentially the same.
So, is the Bible really all that accurate? You've head it before. Maybe it's by friends or a teacher....but, you've heard it: "Sure the Bible is a good book, but, it's got mistakes." Well, take a look at the evidence and decide for yourself. With regards to the Old Testament, the Jewish copyists of the Hebrew Scriptures had to follow strict rules:
- Each copy had to be written in a certain number of columns of 30 letters width and with a certain number of lines to each column. · Each copy had to be made from a certified original.
- Every letter was copied one at a time from the original. They could not even write one letter from memory.
- The distance between each letter was measured by a single hair or thread.
- Every letter on every page and book was counted against the original. The number of times each letter occurred in the book was counted and compared against the original.
- If one of these rules (and many others) were broken, the entire copy was destroyed.
What about the New Testament you ask? There are two important factors involved in determining the reliability of a historical document:
- The number of manuscript copies still around and,
- the time between when it was first written and the oldest copy still in existence.
Author
When Written
Earliest Copy Still in Existence Today
Time Span Between 1st Written and Oldest Copy
Number of Ancient Copies in Existence Today
Pliny the Younger
A.D. 61-113
850 A.D.
750 yrs
7
Caesar
100- 44 B.C.
900 A.D.
1,000 yrs.
10
Plato
427-347 B.C.
900 A. D.
1,200 yrs.
7
Aristolte
384-322 B.C.
. 1100 A. D.
1,400 yrs.
37
Sophocles
496-406 B.C.
1000 A.D.
1,400 yrs.
193
Euripedes
480-406 B.C.
1100 A.D.
1,500 yrs.
9
Catallus
54 B.C.
1550 A.D.
1,600 yrs.
3
New Testament
48 A. D. (Mark)
130 A.D. (N.T.)
80 yrs.
24,630
A.D. 61-113
850 A.D.
750 yrs
7
Caesar
100- 44 B.C.
900 A.D.
1,000 yrs.
10
Plato
427-347 B.C.
900 A. D.
1,200 yrs.
7
Aristolte
384-322 B.C.
. 1100 A. D.
1,400 yrs.
37
Sophocles
496-406 B.C.
1000 A.D.
1,400 yrs.
193
Euripedes
480-406 B.C.
1100 A.D.
1,500 yrs.
9
Catallus
54 B.C.
1550 A.D.
1,600 yrs.
3
New Testament
48 A. D. (Mark)
130 A.D. (N.T.)
80 yrs.
24,630
NOTE: Try getting even 5 people in 1 period of time, in 1 culture, to be in complete unity and thought about even a simple controversial subject, i.e. "What about T.V.?". Scripture are one in thought because the were under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Peoples, places, and stories found in the Bible are all historically proven.
Critics at one time denied that the Hittites mentioned in the Bible had ever lived, because no record of their existence had yet been found. Today in Ankara, Turkey, there is an entire museum devoted to the Hittites.
The accuracy of religious texts should be irrelevant regarding the legal status of people, nationality and property rights. Religions fundamentally are a belief system. Anyone who thinks that a belief that a deity gave adherents to a religion domain over a region determines property rights, and nationality should give their head a shake. That type of thinking is as medieval as Iran's criminal justice system.
The US will veto any efforts by Palestinians to achieve statehood will clearly show to the world why US led negotiations can't possibly lead to a fair and just resolution to this conflict.
I gave you a thumbs up, not because I necessarily agree with everything you wrote, but because its shows independent critical thought. I look forward to reading more from you in the future.
The US will veto any efforts by Palestinians to achieve statehood will clearly show to the world why US led negotiations can't possibly lead to a fair and just resolution to this conflict.
Why should they be discounted. Only because they disagree with your viewpoint - only because you have no religious beliefs - They are historical documents which are often used by archaeologists - A supposed story led to the finding of Troy.
Thanks earth! I look forward to discussing issues with you. I think it is likely the US can't lead negotiations simply because it isn't perceived as an unbiased party and it really isn't because it shares more in common politically with Israel than with the Palestinians at this point.There's lot of distrust on all sides. Even the IP arguments in Canada tend to be based on which is side is the most dishonest and untrustworthy and sometimes just evil. And they're all about who is right rather than what is right. I don't think negotiations and agreements are possible until both sides agree on what is right. When the Palestinians declared their state, my first reaction was good because I really believe one of the key factors that will lead to a solution is when Palestinian leaders put priority on the needs of their people and on building their society and then on resolving the conflict with Israel. For years, the needs of the Palestinian people have been put second or not even on the list. But when I read about refugees who live in West Bank not been given citizenship in the new state, it was a warning signal to me that the state had not been declared for the needs and rights and dignity of the Palestinian people in West Bank and Gaza, but as a strategy for its conflict with Israel. I heard some Palestinians interviewed who said that they were happy but this was a first step and one day they'd get their whole country back, meaning Israel. So the US and Israel got their backs up and saw this move as a tactic by the Palestinian leadership to introduce resolutions, etc. against Israel. Meanwhile, I'm sure on the ground, average Palestinians saw the move as finally, they can begin to move forward with a country, real lives and rights and they saw the US veto and Israeli reaction as meaning they don't want them to have the basic right of a state. And it all goes in circles.
"Anyone who thinks that a belief that a deity gave adherents to a religion domain over a region determines property rights, and nationality should give their head a shake. That type of thinking is as medieval as Iran's criminal justice system."
I agree with this and it would be so much better if it were removed from the discussion table because it's totally irrelevant. I think it's not just for the Israeli side. On the Palestinian side, those who believe Israel should be "returned" to Muslim Palestinians often also base it on the religious belief that Muslim land must always remain Muslim land.
You are obvious uneducated in the discipline of history and ignorant of the subject at hand.
EVERY historical document is biased, and in some way or the other, inaccurate. The author always inserts, consciously or not, his/her own prejudices ans preferences, as well as their own misconceptions. The search for truth involves the careful consideration of all availible documents and other evidence in the creation of a hypothetical version of what happened.......which, as it stands the test of time and challenge, becomes the conventional wisdom.
If you rejected historical documents because of inaccuracy and bias, you wouldn't have a clue know what happened day before yesterday.........never mind two or three thousand years ago.
I suggest you attempt to get an education before you post on the subject of history on these threads.....because you obviously don't have a clue.
Well if that is the major concern you have it should also apply to yourself. You are not historically accurate and you are completely biased.
Guess then an Honorable person would realize that and bow out of the discussion. C ya later, Skeeter.
The bible isn't a historical document, it's mythology.. You're also moronic in suggesting that we should take historical documents that are fabricated and inaccurate seriously.