Welfare People Who Want To Work Go To Alberta

[JLM]

2 Grand is pretty cheap property taxes by B.C. standards at least for being inside the city. Most places services are extra.

Oh, I paid $885 in Vernon this year. :smile:

 

[taxslave]

Fair enough... I take it that you understand the progressive nature of the tax brackets and the general marginal rates. That said my take on your statement the a tax break provides a "benefit" to high income earners is fallacious in that this is the very group that is already paying punitive rates.

As for AB's 10% flat tax, instead of expressing this as a percentage, let's represent it with real numbers.

Income 'A' = 50,000 @ 10% tax equals $5,000
Income 'B' = $250,000 @ 10% equals $25,000
Income 'C' = $1,000,000 @ 10% equals $100,000

So, where's the big benefit here for 'the rich'? As far as I can tell, they are paying 20 times more to access the same services as someone making $50K. Assuming that 'A', 'B' and 'C' are all families of 4 that use the 'system' equally, where is the fairness or equality in this?





You'll have to explain this. I can see the people that live in that community being upset about higher densities and/or a desire to send their kids to the proposed/planned school, but I do not see the rift here as it applies to our discussion.

Ain't socialism grand?

 

[Goober]

Fair enough... I take it that you understand the progressive nature of the tax brackets and the general marginal rates. That said my take on your statement the a tax break provides a "benefit" to high income earners is fallacious in that this is the very group that is already paying punitive rates.

As for AB's 10% flat tax, instead of expressing this as a percentage, let's represent it with real numbers.

Income 'A' = 50,000 @ 10% tax equals $5,000
Income 'B' = $250,000 @ 10% equals $25,000
Income 'C' = $1,000,000 @ 10% equals $100,000

So, where's the big benefit here for 'the rich'? As far as I can tell, they are paying 20 times more to access the same services as someone making $50K. Assuming that 'A', 'B' and 'C' are all families of 4 that use the 'system' equally, where is the fairness or equality in this?





You'll have to explain this. I can see the people that live in that community being upset about higher densities and/or a desire to send their kids to the proposed/planned school, but I do not see the rift here as it applies to our discussion.

What were the AB Tax rates before the Flat Tax came into effect -

The point was professionals - Nurses - similiar types - 60-70 k and people were worried about lowered property values. The lands were vacant.

 

[Kakato]

Albertans created the oil, and magically they created Imperial Oil, did they? Wow.

What do I have to do with the NEP? I don't recall being involved in that policy.

Your young then and Alberta will hate the east for many years because of the NEP where they tried to rape Alberta and literally shut down Alberta's energy industry.
Alberta will never ever trust Ottawa again after that,not for many years.

 

[petros]

Albertans made Alberta what it is today,they may have come from the east but the weak left a long time ago.You guys lost our respect with the NEP.We will never trust the east again,ever.

What do you think of CNOOC?

 

[Goober]

Your young then and Alberta will hate the east for many years because of the NEP where they tried to rape Alberta and literally shut down Alberta's energy industry.
Alberta will never ever trust Ottawa again after that,not for many years.

So they will elect Cons that are raping the Prov more than the NEP. Yep, that makes sense.

 

[captain morgan]

You missed the point, which doesn't surprise me. The rest of Canada helped make Alberta what it is today, so suddenly pretending that you've never taken anything (which is demonstrably false) and that you don't have any responsibility to the federation is idiotic.

I could not possibly say it better than this:

Albertans made Alberta what it is today,they may have come from the east but the weak left a long time ago.You guys lost our respect with the NEP.We will never trust the east again,ever.

On that note TenPenny, first of all - grow up and at least come up with a semblance of an argument as opposed to this watery bullsh*t that you are leaning on.

The ROC has been suckling at the petroleum teat for 40+ years now on top of using AB (and soon Sask) as a national ATM, and while that isn't bad enough, you guys piss and moan about natural resources making for a (relatively) high Canadian dollar...... I'm still blown away by the abject stupidity of deflating your currency to accommodate one sector (ie mfg) that clearly can not compete on an international level and therefore needs to be made artificially cheap.

Perhaps you ought to take a page from the Koreans, Japanese or the (the best example), the Germans and actually produce something of worth that the globe demands. Maybe then you can offer some kind of input or reasonable bitch, but until then, your diatribe is nothing short of sour-grapes and your inability to hold your own.

Ain't socialism grand?

Absolutely - provided, of course, that you ain't the one paying for it.

 

[JLM]

Ain't socialism grand?

Until someone else's money runs out! :lol::lol::lol:

 

[captain morgan]

What do you think of CNOOC?

If CNOOC, Sinopec, Goldman Sachs, BP or Pertobras are prepared to put their money where their mouth is, then why have animosity towards them?

All of the usual suspects here piss and moan to no end about 'losing' their resources (read: birthright), but none of them are ready to ante-up and get in the game.

The only ones to blame are those with feet of clay that demand that everyone else owe them with a living.

Until someone else's money runs out! :lol:

:lol::lol:

So they will elect Cons that are raping the Prov more than the NEP. Yep, that makes sense.

... But it ain't going to Quebec via Ottawa, is it?

 

[PoliticalNick]

Hey All,

Just checking in after another long stretch in the patch. I haven't had a chance to read the entire thread but want to say that there is no reason for anyone in AB to be unemployed at this time. Most companies are looking for multiple people in all locations (and that's not just in the patch). Wages are high and people are being drawn in from all over the country. If you happen to be in an area of this country still in a slump consider packing some bags and heading here.

;-)

 

[petros]

If CNOOC, Sinopec, Goldman Sachs, BP or Pertobras are prepared to put their money where their mouth is, then why have animosity to wards them?

CNOOC & Sinopec are "nationalized oil companies" who bought the resource outright and can and will bring their own over to set up and extract the resource. $30B worth is now part of a national energy program but not our nation. It's a one time payment and there ain't no more.

 

[captain morgan]

CNOOC & Sinopec are "nationalized oil companies" who bought the resource outright and can and will bring their own over to set up and extract the resource. $30B worth is now part of a national energy program but not our nation. It's a one time payment and there ain't no more.

PetroCanada was also a 'nationalized company', but somehow never managed to make a profit, yet Sinopec, CPC and CNOOC are making money hand-over-fist.... How is that?

Fact of the matter is, if you want to get the best value for this resource, then ante-up and get in the game... If your preference is to stand behind one of the player's chair and watch from the side-lines, then expect to get nothing but a few crumbs (maybe).

The answer is real simple.

 

[petros]

PetroCanada was also a 'nationalized company', but somehow never managed to make a profit, yet Sinopec, CPC and CNOOC are making money hand-over-fist.... How is that?
The answer is real simple.

Yeah the answer is really simple. They are allowed to. So why aren't aren't the Feds going around the globe buying out resources lock stock and barrel from other nations with the one time profits from ours?

 

[Tonington]

Perhaps you ought to take a page from the Koreans, Japanese or the (the best example), the Germans and actually produce something of worth that the globe demands. Maybe then you can offer some kind of input or reasonable bitch, but until then, your diatribe is nothing short of sour-grapes and your inability to hold your own.

Ahh, see taxslave, this is an actual socialist....progressive taxation isn't socialist, state control of the means of production is.

 

[TenPenny]

Hahaha, here come the hanger-ons, AB is successful and now the others want to make like THEY made it happen... How stupid!!!

The rest of Canada did sh^t ton help AB, they caused us more harm than anything ie NEP like above poster correctly notes..

If anybody should be given credit for helping AB, it would be the Americans. These are the folks the easterners call morons and bastards !!

If you ever learn any history, feel free to come back.

 

[captain morgan]

Yeah the answer is really simple. They are allowed to. So why aren't aren't the Feds going around the globe buying out resources lock stock and barrel from other nations with the one time profits from ours?

I suppose that you'd have to ask Trudeau?

Ahh, see taxslave, this is an actual socialist....progressive taxation isn't socialist, state control of the means of production is.

Wow... Really tremendous response as to why Canada's labour and mfg sectors can't compete

If you ever learn any history, feel free to come back.

I sure would be interested in hearing your version about this event in our history.

 

[TenPenny]

I sure would be interested in hearing your version about this event in our history.

What event are you referring to? 1905, when apparently Alberta appeared fully formed, full of native Albertans, who have made the province what it is without outside assistance?

 

[captain morgan]

What event are you referring to? 1905, when apparently Alberta appeared fully formed, full of native Albertans, who have made the province what it is without outside assistance?

Get over yourself already... The events, circumstances, etc of 1905 are not justification for the incredulous difference of treatment of the West by the Eastern-based political power.

 

[TenPenny]

Get over yourself already... The events, circumstances, etc of 1905 are not justification for the incredulous difference of treatment of the West by the Eastern-based political power.

Get over yourself already...Alberta didn't appear out of the ether with no outside assistance as many of you seem to believe.

It wasn't an immaculate conception.

 

[captain morgan]

Get over yourself already...Alberta didn't appear out of the ether with no outside assistance as many of you seem to believe.

It wasn't an immaculate conception.

There is no place on the planet that wasn't impacted by the contributions of others, but all that is simply academic.

Let's hear about the fair and equitable treatment of the West by the East. You can start with the NEP and regale us with your version of how this was a real favour and boon to the economy.