Oil Unions: Cut Keystone Pipeline
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I am under the impression that the COOP facility is a heavy oil facility whereas the Chinese developed are bitumen upgraders... They are very different animals.
They do it all at the oilsands,some in situ bitumen and sagd. Anyone who has ever worked at one or the other will tell you they are small citys.They have radar traps and traffic cops and are pretty huge as far as mines go and I've been in many mines.
The newfys used to say the smell of bitumen in the air was the smell of money,personally it gave me a headache every single day I was in fort crack.
No doubt.. It's a pretty crazy world up there.
Ever done any work in the oil fields North of Edson. I forget the general name of the area, but it's just South of Kaybob. Silver Summit and Kennedy Road are the only references I can think of.
It's an old forestry lease with lots of heavy equipment traffic on a dirt road that kicks up dust that is like exploding a container of talcum powder in a room... Same scenario, the oil Co's have traffic enforcement in the area - get caught and you get run-off the site for a month or 3.
Ever done any work in the oil fields North of Edson. I forget the general name of the area, but it's just South of Kaybob. Silver Summit and Kennedy Road are the only references I can think of.
It's an old forestry lease with lots of heavy equipment traffic on a dirt road that kicks up dust that is like exploding a container of talcum powder in a room... Same scenario, the oil Co's have traffic enforcement in the area - get caught and you get run-off the site for a month or 3.
I've built roads and drill sites and pipelined all over Alberta but not there.Cold lake weapons base was bad,3 kms over the limit and your off the base for a week.
Edson was about as far north as I worked oilpatch except for fort mac newfy.
Well, if for some strange reason you find yourself in Edson country and have a few hours to kill, find the 7-11 in town (the only 1 I think) and head North on that road for about 30-40 minutes.... The blacktop ends and the dirt road starts and you gaining lots of elevation (caution: they gravel that road with pea-gravel the size of softballs - it makes for some nasty treatment on the suspension, let alone having your go-cup end up all over your cab).
Regardless, I used to drive all of the backwoods dirt roads in South and Central AB/BC and this area is one of the prettiest examples of country that Western Canada has to offer, especially when you get off the main and onto some of the wagon trails.
You'd never know it, but there are around 300+ oil/gas facilities in that small little area.
Regardless, I used to drive all of the backwoods dirt roads in South and Central AB/BC and this area is one of the prettiest examples of country that Western Canada has to offer, especially when you get off the main and onto some of the wagon trails.
You'd never know it, but there are around 300+ oil/gas facilities in that small little area.
Most of my work was from Del Bonita near the US border to three hills and canmore area and everything inbetween.
I've probably graded every county road from Innisfail to trochu to castor.Working for Compton and trident.Lot's of coal bed methane wells and lines and they can punch a hole in for a cbm well in a day or less so busy busy.108 days straight following the rigs around with a grader and cats and hoes living in the back of my crew cab all alone.Spent a couple years in the patch working with 2 gals,one was on the hoe (pun intended) and the other was a cat skinner(no pun intended).
You wouldnt believe how many wells and pipelines there are all over Alberta,more miles of pipelines then roads.
CBM wells are now drilled 4 to a quarter section instead of 1 and because they are low producers they have to bang in many wells to make it worthwhile to plant pipe to carry the gas.
I live next to the saratoga field,the most poisonous sour gas field on the planet and in 20 years we have never had an accident,good thing because a leak would kill every one in my little burg.
Just make sure that you keep an eye on any new folks that decide to dig out foundations for a new house... There was a developer in NE Calgary that was doing as much and touched a sour line that ran underneath the entire area.
Fortunately, no one was affected, but it sure gave one hell of a scare to everyone.
Fortunately, no one was affected, but it sure gave one hell of a scare to everyone.
But what is the distance gas can be safely piped. As to upgrading in house as they say. We should be doing as much of that as possible. Cooperation between the 3 major provinces would work to everyones benefit. Also the US imports huge quantities of gas due to refinery shortages. It mostly comes from France.
Someone wants to tell Stevo about all these good ideas, as they appear to be better thought out than any he's put forward so far.
I'm sure he would spring into action........................next spring..............or the one after. Or just before the next erection.
But he's not getting all excited about any caribou, trust me.
I'm sure he would spring into action........................next spring..............or the one after. Or just before the next erection.
But he's not getting all excited about any caribou, trust me.
The export is a big problem in AB. Plans are now for building upgraders. That started under Stelmach. Oil is a Prov area. Pipelines out of country - cross borders in Canada are not - Fed area - We need an energy policy - Nation wide.
Gas pipelines have heaters at every compressor station.It can be pumped as far as you can lay the pipe.
As far as cooperation the rest of Canada has to get online with Alberta first and do a bit of catch up if they want a slice of the energy pie.
Electrical power can flow back and forth between Ab and B.C. and montana but not Sask.They are still in the dark ages or maybe its a socialist thing to keep the power industry in Sask.
B.C. hydro has terrible power,lots of voltage fluctuations and very expensive.
So Alberta is an energy province period,forget about the oilsands for a minute.I have seen projects the last 2 years where pipelines and power transmission lines went to Montana instead of any province next to us because if you drill wells and build power plants,you need to sell it to someone and Albertas technology is taking off so fast with all the gajillions of dollars floating around that we have to export it somewhere.
Sorry but mentioning NEP brings chills to my spine,you guys just let us "Bertans" do what we do best and thats exploit resources and make shareholders happy.
NEP.........I was there,Alberta would seperate before they ever let another NEP in!
One small point on electricity in AB - It is rigged in favor of the producer. Only 1 place in all of NA that had deregulation where it worked. And AB ain't it.
Thats why we need more competition and it's happening, Fortis now is shareing row's with Altalink.More lines planned in the future because of our wind farms.Most new line's go to Montana.
Who paid for the approx 800 Million expansion of lines for exporting elctricity out of province.
You and me on our power bill.
Dont blame me,I just build the roads up to the structures and plant the poles.
B.C. needs our power though and we need theirs,thats why it flows both ways,When Alberta fires up it takes power from b.c. hydro,when things level out in the afternoon the juice starts flowing the other way into b.c.
Unions rarely have the best interests of anyone but their own little group at heart. Might be a good idea to find out just where the head office of the union is. I know the Operating Engineers union is all in favor of building the pipeline.
As for building a line to the eat it is not going to happen. Too many westerners still remember turdo's National Energy Policy.
So why are farmers permitted to export grain instead of loaves of bread?
Well I know that info as a couple of my best friends are heads of the iuoe.
Big pipeline jobs like this are farmed out in sections anyways so lots of work for the iuoe and rat union Clac.
More then enough to go around so no one will be hurting.