Oil Unions: Cut Keystone Pipeline

Kakato

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On the eastern grid all are tied. MT,ND, SD,MB,MN. If AB had extra they wouldn't need to buy from SK for the eastern portion of the province would they?

Thats what i'm saying,it only flows one way and when we do have surplus it go's to B.C. and it also takes B.C. power to come into Alberta every day when we fire up.So our power plants can run at max capacity every day which is more efficient anyways.
We just built one in Alberta to Montana and another is planned for next year.
We plant one windfarm a day here so lots of lines needed but it all go's to Montana.
 

petros

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Well when you get enough generation in E AB then maybe you could export to the Eastern Grid but until then you'll be buying from SaskPower and subsidizing my cheaper rates.
 

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Canada has three power grids: the Western grid, the Eastern grid, and the Quebec grid, which includes Atlantic Canada. The border between the Eastern and Western grids is the Alberta-Saskatchewan border. Canadian grids are also tied into the U.S. grids (the Western Interconnection, the Eastern Interconnection and the Texas Interconnection). For example, the electricity grid in Alberta and British Columbia is part of the Western Interconnection in the United States.

All provinces are interconnected with neighboring provinces, allowing them to import and export power. East-west transmission is less common than north-south transmission. To date, most of the inter-provincial exchange of power has occurred in Eastern Canada, with the largest transfers between Quebec and Labrador. Canadian utilities and government leaders are currently exploring ways to increase east-west electricity flow, especially between Ontario and Manitoba and Ontario and Quebec, for better flow of electricity between provinces. The territories are neither interconnected, nor do they have connections with the provinces or the United States.
I'm sure Sask could ship it both ways on the line but not like we do here in Alberta which is daily back and forth to B.C. They would have to do some mods.
The triple 7 and 107 lines going into B.C. from Alberta are both capable of switching back and forth.Sask. is not.

Theres no power lines to the territories for a reason,same reason there is very few roads.
 

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i'm sure sask could ship it both ways on the line but not like we do here in alberta which is daily back and forth to b.c. They would have to do some mods.
The triple 7 and 107 lines going into b.c. From alberta are both capable of switching back and forth.sask. Is not.


it's a different grid!!!!
 

Kakato

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Finally some sense.

Energy as much as people don't want to admit, is political. Quebec and Labrador have adequate hydro power, so much they can export to the USA. Forget the West.
It's survival,not politics,Alberta was smart and back in the 1960's built a lot of dams in K country that would all produce electricity,plus a few coal fired power plants and now wind farms and the generators at suncor and other oilsands mines.We still need more power,the oilsands consume large amounts of it.
 

petros

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Electricity is electricity.They can all be connected.

There are many days when we need more power in Alberta and B.C. power is not exactly the best,the voltage fluctuates big time.
There is no way in hell we'd pay what is wanted for Western Grid power. **** that. I can weld and make toast in an air conditioned environment and I don't give a **** what time it is.
 

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In a couple years when Saskatchewans oilsands take off they will be crying for power.
SK oil sands will sit for a long time. We have too much crude to sell off first before touching any oil sands and we don't need your over priced power thanks.
 

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What does "it" mean here? Too many pronouns.

So Sask will need power other than the oild sands to develop its oil sands?
One oilsands mine is the size of a large town so ya,they use lots of power,thats why Alberta's make their own power for the grid.
A couple nuclear plants would provide all we need.

SK oil sands will sit for a long time. We have too much crude to sell off first before touching any oil sands and we don't need your over priced power thanks.
Sorry but they are hair straight back right now on theirs and when it hit's $100.00 a barrell it will get crazy.
Most of my pipeline buds are there doing lines from sagd wells and they have work there for years.
 

petros

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Everything is still in exploration stage and a **** load of leases expire next year. They aren't being developed yet.

The nuke idea has been quashed a couple years ago.
 

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Everything is still in exploration stage and a **** load of leases expire next year. They aren't being developed yet.

The nuke idea has been quashed a couple years ago.
They expire because their is a shortage of folks to develop them.I know lots of folks in the pipeline bussiness,I can get anyone who is a pipeliner a job in Sask. with one phone call.
Welcome to the boom town.
 

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Jobs are easy to come by in SK but as for oil sands in SK it's going to be awhile.The main player is in financial **** and things are at a snail's pace.

It' not about a shortage to develope. It makes far more sense to play in the liquid oil game in SK. There is oodles.

It might be a different grid, but that just means they use a HVDC interconnect, so they don't have to synchronize the power between grids.
If AB wants to export into SK they need to stop buying from us and develope sources in Eastern .A.B. Besides it's far far cheaper to buy from SK than an AB source.
 

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Jobs are easy to come by in SK but as for oil sands in SK it's going to be awhile.The main player is in financial **** and things are at a snail's pace.

It' not about a shortage to develope. It makes far more sense to play in the liquid oil game in SK. There is oodles.
Sooner then you think for oilsands,they have been going balls out across from Cold lake for years now,I was a pipeline inspector in that area back then.It's the same as any field,you need to get infrastructure like pipe in the ground first before exploiting a field and it's happening now big time.
Once the lines are in the ground it will just grow and grow and grow and not at a snails pace either.
This is the most activity I have ever seen in Sask. for pipelining and if oil climbs $20.00 a barrell it will get even crazier like fort crack does.
Fort crack at $80.00 a barrell -traffic backed up for 10 miles in and out of town.
Fort crack at $100.00 a barrell-traffic backed up for 30 miles in and out of town.