After 9-11: Can the West Defeat Radical Islam?

[EagleSmack]

It should be remembered, the US trooped out every year to remember Pearl Harbour.
It ended when they replaced it with 9/11. The rest of the Allies worshipped D Day for
decades and now its time to move on so 9/11 it is. This has all the promise to be as
disliked as Christmas Music.

We still do have Pearl Harbor Rememberences. We also have rememberences for the Civil War, especially at Gettysburg in the first week in July. Every April 17 we Patriots Day remembering the Battles of Lexington and Concord. If you are not in Lexington by 4:00AM forget about getting close.

I'm sorry if you don't approve or you don't have an equivalent up there but this is how we like to do things and we will continue.

To my mind, a midair explosion would be a completely different outcome than crashing nose-down into the ground. You would expect a mid-air explosion to spread debris far and wide, in big chunks, since the air provides little resistance to the force of the explosion.

But I'm no expert, and I'm not sure if we have a lot of experience with aircraft driven directly into the ground.

Of course it would be a difference. A HUGE difference. Nosing in the ground and falling out of the sky are two different things altogether.

Well said Ten

 

[CDNBear]

We still do have Pearl Harbor Rememberences. We also have rememberences for the Civil War, especially at Gettysburg in the first week in July. Every April 17 we Patriots Day remembering the Battles of Lexington and Concord. If you are not in Lexington by 4:00AM forget about getting close.

I'm sorry if you don't approve or you don't have an equivalent up there but this is how we like to do things and we will continue.

Ya, we tried to have a re-enactment on the Plains of Abraham, and the sad little losers threatened violence if we did.

But apparently only the US is violent...:roll:

Plains of Abraham re-enactment cancelled - CTV News

 

[EagleSmack]

Time to put 9-11 behind us.

Do as you wish BarSin. We'll keep remembering and we will honor the Canadians that died here for you so you won't have to be bothered.

How does that sound?

Ya, we tried to have a re-enactment on the Plains of Abraham, and the sad little losers threatened violence if we did.

But apparently only the US is violent...:roll:

Plains of Abraham re-enactment cancelled - CTV News

And your Remember the Alamo was a good catch. It is simply how we do things here. We will do this each and every year so they better get used to it.

 

[SLM]

I'd say commercial venture for tenth-anniversary television - if the History Channel wasn't hawking commercial-free....

I'd say that the History Channel has been a little iffy for a while anyway. Right now they are showing a program that's looking at evidence of alien inspiration in the building of the pyramids.

To say nothing of Ice Road Truckers or Swamp People.

Remember when History Channel just showed WWII programs all the time?

But apparently only the US is violent...:roll:

No one who's ever gone to a hockey game would say that.

 

[Goober]

Ditto. The media never tires of raking up old wounds. Time to put 9-11 behind us.

Whether you think it was a US Plot or a Terror Attack - 911 changed the world - how we literally do business - Trade is a perfect example - more security at ports, airports - then we have the bill from the wars.
So to set it aside as if nothing happened is simplistic at the least.

 

[CDNBear]

And your Remember the Alamo was a good catch. It is simply how we do things here. We will do this each and every year so they better get used to it.

Je me souviens.

Some Canadians can't get enough oxygen to their grey matter for the fact that their prostate is blocking their airway.

 

[DaSleeper]

Whether you think it was a US Plot or a Terror Attack - 911 changed the world - how we literally do business - Trade is a perfect example - more security at ports, airports - then we have the bill from the wars.
So to set it aside as if nothing happened is simplistic at the least.

I also remember that in '02 was when my insurance rates started climbing up and up....

 

[Risus]

How many other people are sick and tired about hearing about 9-11. The yanks were caught with their pants down, no doubt about it. Lets move on.

 

[lone wolf]

I also remember that in '02 was when my insurance rates started climbing up and up....

...funny how that happens when most policies include acts of riot, war or insurrection; rising water, falling aircraft as grounds they won't pay out for....

 

[EagleSmack]

But I'm no expert, and I'm not sure if we have a lot of experience with aircraft driven directly into the ground.

This is USAir 427 (1994) a nose in (80 degrees) from 6,000 ft. at 300 MPH. It was 6 miles from the airport on approach to Pittsburgh. There is hardly anything left.

Now how fast was Flight 93 going? It went nose in at 561 MPH at 40 degrees inverted... upside down.

How many other people are sick and tired about hearing about 9-11. The yanks were caught with their pants down, no doubt about it. Lets move on.

I'll tell you the same thing I told BarSinister.

We'll keep remembering and we will honor the Canadians that died here for you. That way you won't have to be bothered.

 

[Goober]

How many other people are sick and tired about hearing about 9-11. The yanks were caught with their pants down, no doubt about it. Lets move on.

And that would also apply to the Brits for London, Spain for Madrid. As I stated earlier simplistic at the least to forget.

 

[SLM]

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[Mowich]

Exactly !! Or at least handle it with a degree of perspective and dignity. Time to tone it down. But sadly , that is not the "american way" .........particularly when all other news (ecomony in particular) is so grim. As if sensationalizing the event is going to distract the folks that are unemployed, unable to find jobs , .

time for a major reality check......but not likely to happen, Playing and dramatizing the victim role is an abuse of those that did die that day. Sadly, "quiet dignity" is not in the Media's vocabulary.

( Avoiding every tv channel that even mentions the event or the "anniversary". Enough is enough. Would think that those that died that day .......would say enough already. Get on with getting your lives and the nation on some semblance of sanity. )



exellent post. And of course we are hypocrits , when we do what we condemn others for. as if we are somehow "exceptional" We are NOT. It is that kind of attitude that is contributing to the fall of the empire now. The delusion of being exceptional to others and therefore granting themselves liberties that are immoral, unethical, unreasonable , and inhumane. (and acting on them.

You totally misunderstood why I posted this article which was to point out the complete idiocy of moral equivalency. I don't at all support the assumption that we are hypocritical when we condemn terrorists for their vicious acts. We are exceptional for the fact that we are a free society unlike the practitioners of sharia law who stand firmly against any such freedom for their own societies.

"At some level, this is a pathology of self-criticism (MOS) – it is all our fault, and if we were better, then we could fix everything. Meanwhile, while we demand the highest standards of ourselves, we treat the terrorists as morally challenged, who can’t even understand the questions of intention and cannot be expected to self-criticize. We become incapable of making the distinction between victims and perpetrators, and end up blaming the victim.


Since the beginning of this century three major international events epitomize the way that moral equivalence in its extreme forms (HRC and MOS) have led some Western intellectuals to moral folly:"

You should have read the entire article.

Moral Equivalence | Augean Stables

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Back to the question of the topic.

NO......it cannot. The only true change in any radical thinking /believing...... has to come from within and after the real lssues have been assessed and dealt with. Until we can accurately explain (and understand) what contributes to radicalization of any belief system..... we are just spinning our wheels while slaughtering blindly.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Do as you wish BarSin. We'll keep remembering and we will honor the Canadians that died here for you so you won't have to be bothered.

How does that sound?

How doers this sound? I am Canadian and therefore I am not required to particpate in the endless historical replays and the knee-jerk patriotism that so characterize the USA.

 

[EagleSmack]

How doers this sound? I am Canadian and therefore I am not required to particpate in the endless historical replays and the knee-jerk patriotism that so characterize the USA.

Nor are we Americans. But as I said, do not worry, we will remember the Canadians that died here as well so you can forget.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Nor are we Americans. But as I said, do not worry, we will remember the Canadians that died here as well so you can forget.

Perhaps not all Americans did participate in the made-for-media remembrance ceremony; but I expect many did. Canadians do not tend to have to endlessly commemorate every disaster in their past. If they did we would still have regular ceremonies involving the greatest disaster in Canadian history - the Halifax explosion (1917) or the sinking of the Empress of Ireland (1905) or more recently the terrorist attack that killed 280 Canadians on Air India flight 182 (1985).

There really is nothing wrong with such ceremonies if they make people feel better or serve to honour the dead, but every time I saw something connected with the 911 disaster I could not help but be struck by the fact that once again the public was being strongly manipulated by the media. I have also been turned off by the extensive commercialization of the disaster prior to the ten year anniversary. Just Google 911 followed by "commemorative" and you will see what I mean. Somehow I don't think the commercialization of an act of mass murder is appropriate and have always wondered how the relatives of the 911 victims felt when they saw ads for such rubbish on TV or in magazines.

 

[darkbeaver]

The "west" could stop funding radical Islam maybe that would help. Radical Islam is just the entertaining diversion while the filthy dirty international bankers arrange permanent debt slavery for every man woman and child on the planet. These are murdering psycopaths, nothing but money and power are sacred to them. This is a life and a world built on lies. Nothing can be fixed before the bankers are outlawed and destroyed.

 

[EagleSmack]

Perhaps not all Americans did participate in the made-for-media remembrance ceremony; but I expect many did.

Did you not say "required to participate"? There is a big difference between participating and being "required" to participate.

Canadians do not tend to have to endlessly commemorate every disaster in their past. If they did we would still have regular ceremonies involving the greatest disaster in Canadian history - the Halifax explosion (1917) or the sinking of the Empress of Ireland (1905) or more recently the terrorist attack that killed 280 Canadians on Air India flight 182 (1985).

That is your choice. We do it differently down here.

There really is nothing wrong with such ceremonies if they make people feel better or serve to honour the dead, but every time I saw something connected with the 911 disaster I could not help but be struck by the fact that once again the public was being strongly manipulated by the media.

Where is the manipulation? What is the public being manipulated to do?

I have also been turned off by the extensive commercialization of the disaster prior to the ten year anniversary. Just Google 911 followed by "commemorative" and you will see what I mean. Somehow I don't think the commercialization of an act of mass murder is appropriate and have always wondered how the relatives of the 911 victims felt when they saw ads for such rubbish on TV or in magazines.

I agree there. The commemorative plates and coins to me are foolish. But that is my opinion. If someone wants to buy a coin with the WTC on it that is their choice.

 

[Nuggler]

Are you suggesting only brown people can desire world conquests, Britannia caused more **** it it's time (still functioning BTW) than a century of rule by anybody could top. Most of it intentional also as in placing a border between Pakistan and India that was sure to cause a long internal conflict.

They're sort of reaping their karma at the moment................extreme poverty, and a powder keg country with a multitude of colours and languages. Being an island, nowhere for 'em to run.

We SHOULD learn from their mistakes, but, to date, haven't.