Several dead, many wounded in bus attack in Israel

petros

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Here is a scoop for the majority of you. Financial is a big reson why there will soon be a Palestine and settlements sold off to Palestine.

Inflation is eating Israel alive, Israel is a very Socialist nation with a heavy investment in social housing.

15% of their Social housing budget goes to maintain and protect the 4% of housing in the occuppied territories.

That kind of expenditure doesn't bode well any longer and is hard for Nutlessyahoo to justify.

The people rather than the Gov. want the settlements to end.

Don't believe me? Look it up. All through July and August as many as 500,000 hit the streets of Tel Aviv in protest of inflation and lack of housing inside Israel proper.
 
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earth_as_one said:
South and North Korea have both massed huge numbers of soldiers along their border. The North constantly makes belligerent statements regarding imminent attacks and what they intend to do. Both sides are guilty of brinkmanship. Its been that way since the 1950's and except for the occasional minor border skirmish, the situation is more or less stable.

The US and USSR used to constantly play war games along the Iron Curtain in Europe. They also made belligerent statements, taunts and insults, yet they never entered into conflict directly and instead fought a long cold war and a series of proxy wars.

I can give many other examples of where two sides appeared ready to start a war and then the situation was defused through diplomacy. If war resulted every time one country massed it troops on its border or a leader made a threatening statement, we would have had many more wars.
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Why do you want to talk about anything but Israel and Palestine?

earth_as_one said:
My point was that a superficial look at the numbers is misleading regarding relative strength.
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Especially when you equate post 1960 military figures to the war in 48.

But hey, when you can't stand on fact, misleading misinformation is a good tool.

earth_as_one said:
Back in 1948, evil Arab hordes attacked the innocent Zionists as they tended their kibbutzes. Hopelessly out numbered and unarmed but determined they responded by forming a rag tag group of militias. They made their own weapons with their bare hands from mud and tree bark. Their uniforms were made from leaves and grasses. During the battle when it looked like defeat was certain and the brave Zionists might loose hope, God intervened on their side. He smit the enemy of his chosen people and the cowardly Arabs fled, proving Israel's creation was a miracle.

As I said, I'm not criticizing Israel for having a stronger military than their adversaries or attacking first. I'm debunking common myths about Israel and this conflict.
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You're dunking myths while saying Israel had a stronger army in 48?

I'm not the one revising history here....
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Yes you are.
petros said:
Here is a scoop for the majority of you. Financial is a big reson why there will soon be a Palestine and settlements sold off to Palestine.

Inflation is eating Israel alive, Israel is a very Socialist nation with a heavy investment in social housing.

15% of their Social housing budget goes to maintain and protect the 4% of housing in the occuppied territories.

That kind of expenditure doesn't bode well any longer and is hard for Nutlessyahoo to justify.

The people rather than the Gov. want the settlements to end.

Don't believe me? Look it up. All through July and August as many as 500,000 hit the streets of Tel Aviv in protest of inflation and lack of housing inside Israel proper.
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Israel can't be socialist petros. It's run by right wing lunatics.
 
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AbtFet said:
Yeah you would support this.
Israel isn't interested in peace, they would have it already if they wanted it.
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AbtFet's deffinition of linear thinking..........
 
petros

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CDNBear said:
.Israel can't be socialist petros. It's run by right wing lunatics.
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I've tried to convey that both right wing lunatics and left wing lunatics are Socialists (globally) in this day and age but it doesn't seems to stick.

That's okay by me. If no-one knows the difference and enjoy their misconceived idealisms then I as person who believes in fiscally responsible Socialism like we have in Canada no matter who is elected I'm happy.

I may bash a few for lacking personality or tact but in the end we are all still Socialist and we have a society that has the heart to take care of one another.

That is what makes me a proud Canadian.

22 Days.....
 
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AbtFet said:
Yeah you would support this.
Israel isn't interested in peace, they would have it already if they wanted it.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day. Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish. Then give Israel peace, you know better show them what peace is, I guarantee they will honor it without shooting rockets at you.
 
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An Israeli Bedouin wearing an image of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit as he participates in a rally marking his 25th birthday. -- Israeli protesters marked the 25th birthday of soldier Gilad Shalit, held prisoner for five years by Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip, near to the Erez crossing border between Israel and the Gaza Strip. Israel. 28th August 2011
 
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Yes that's terrible Colpy. Hamas is holding a single Israel and everyone knows his name. His case is printed in our news on a daily basis.

Shalit, who was captured during a military operation has not been visited by the ICRC and does not have regular contact to his family.

Currently Israel detains 5,554 Palestinians.
Israeli and Palestinian Political Prisoners

Unlike Shalit, our news never mentions these people. I wish I could say that all of these people are treated better than Shalit, but that's unlikely.

AI 2011 Annual Report
...Consistent allegations of torture and other ill-treatment, including of children, were frequently reported. Among the most commonly cited methods were beatings, threats to the detainee or their family, sleep deprivation, and being subjected to painful stress positions for long periods. Confessions allegedly obtained under duress were accepted as evidence in Israeli military and civilian courts.

  • A.M., a 15-year-old Palestinian from Beit Ummar village near Hebron, was arrested on 26 May, held in Gush Etzion detention centre, interrogated for six days allegedly using torture, then released after he “confessed” to throwing stones. He said security officials attached an electric cable to his genitals and threatened to give him electric shocks. In August, two NGOs, one Palestinian and the other Israeli, filed complaints to the Israeli police and army about his alleged torture. The police complaint was closed on the ground of “insufficient evidence”, while the army was still reviewing the complaint at the end of 2010.
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Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights

Currently Israel detains 211 Palestinian children (39 under age 16). 15 detainees are members of the Palestinian Legislative Council, and are held because of their political views.

If our news was fair and balanced, we would know as much about each of these 5,554 Palestinian detainees as we do about the single Israeli detainee.
 
petros

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It's what billions of people want and if we are going to have Global Governanace then it's time we saw it in action. Now if either of these two (Israel or Palestine) decide to be bad we can spank them as one LEGALLY and without Muzzie this and Jew that being tossed about because the Christians are coming home to the Holyland and we aren't going to take this **** anymore.
 
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