US spies pose as medical workers

earth_as_one

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I support efforts to prevent violent attacks against civilians. But this alleged activity if true, crosses a line.

Alleged fake CIA vaccination campaign undermines medical care

MSF condemns use of medical aid for military objectives. Reported ruse risks damaging trust critical for health workers and humanitarian aid.

Pakistan | 14 July 2011

The United States government’s alleged misuse of a vaccination campaign in Pakistan for counter-terrorism purposes constitutes a dangerous abuse of medical care, which threatens the trust essential for health agencies and humanitarian aid workers to provide lifesaving medical services, Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) said today.
“Whether true or not, the mere suggestion that the provision of medical care was carried out under false pretenses damages public perception of the true purpose of medical action,” said Unni Karunakara, medical doctor and MSF’s international president. “With all populations in crisis, it is challenging enough for health agencies and humanitarian aid workers to gain access to, and the trust of, communities – especially populations already skeptical of the motives of any outside assistance.”
Deceptive use of medical care also endangers those who provide legitimate and essential health services. Furthermore, carrying out an act of no therapeutic or preventative benefit purely for military or intelligence purposes violates medical ethics, which require acting solely on the needs
of patients and doing no harm.
Impartial humanitarian assistance requires acceptance from all communities and warring parties – whether national governments, armed opposition movements, international forces, or even criminal groups. In all conflicts or highly politicized environments, this access can only be achieved by actions that demonstrate humanitarian providers are acting only in the interests of those receiving care.
“The alleged fake CIA vaccination campaign constitutes a grave manipulation of the medical act,” said. Karunakara. “The risk is that vulnerable communities anywhere needing access to essential health services will understandably question the true motivation of medical workers and humanitarian aid. The potential consequence is that even basic healthcare, including vaccination, does not reach those who need it most.”
MSF is an independent medical humanitarian organization that provides assistance to people affected by armed conflicts, epidemics, disasters and exclusion from healthcare in approximately 60 countries.
MSF has been working in Pakistan since 1986, providing free medical assistance to displaced communities and to Afghan refugees, to victims of conflict, and to people with limited access to care. In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, MSF teams are present in Kurram Agency, Hangu, Lower Dir, Peshawar, Malakand and Swat districts. MSF is also working in Balochistan and Sindh Provinces. To ensure its independence in Pakistan, MSF solely relies on private financial contributions from individuals around the world and does not accept funding from any government, donor agency, or from any military or politically-affiliated group.


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Well I presume that your method would be to come into town, announce that you are CIA and ask, by chance have you seen Osama out shopping lately.Honest all we want to do is have a chat.
 

earth_as_one

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I would not risk endangering the lives of international humanitarian aid workers or give people placebos.
 

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I would not risk endangering the lives of international humanitarian aid workers or give people placebos.

Were they placebos - Were the personnel not trained in giving immunization -

How else do you think intelligence is gathered.
 

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Alleged fake CIA vaccination campaign undermines medical care

Whether true or not, the mere suggestion that the provision of medical care was carried out under false pretenses damages public perception of the true purpose of medical action,” said Unni

Just a couple of key words noted.....but it makes good headlines;-)
 

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That's true though...it doesn't matter if it is true or not now. Since when has something needed to be true to cause harm?
 

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That's true though...it doesn't matter if it is true or not now. Since when has something needed to be true to cause harm?
The technique works well when CIA wants to defame someone with hookers and cocaine. Even when exonerated the person's reputation is forever tarnished.
 

earth_as_one

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Were they placebos - Were the personnel not trained in giving immunization -

How else do you think intelligence is gathered.
Apparently not:

....Furthermore, carrying out an act of no therapeutic or preventative benefit purely for military or intelligence purposes violates medical ethics, which require acting solely on the needs of patients and doing no harm.

I tust MSF as a neutral party. If they wrote the above they have a good reason to believe the allegations are probably true beyond a reasonable doubt. Since they are complaining I would suppose the spies were posing as MSF. I'm speculating.

If a MSF doctor is killed because locals suspect he is a spy, I would blame these CIA operatives.

At a minimum they should have been giving the real medicine. If someone gets sick of a disease they thought they were protected by an immunization shot, I would blame these CIA operatives.
 

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I agree it's not a good thing, especially if it's true, and especially that they got found out. I mean, spies are spies. They spy. That's what they do. But they're not supposed to get caught. :)

But nevermind that, what I find truly amusing is once again witnessing the double standard that is continuously applied to the U.S. and Israel versus pretty much everyone else. When we had actual video of Hamas gunmen actually using actual ambulances for actual military purposes, Hamas was given the benefit of the doubt. Eyewitness and video evidence was NOT enough.

Now, when the tables are turned, look at the wholesale dismantling of that standard! Now it DOESN'T EVEN MATTER if it's TRUE. Just the fact that someone LIED about it, is enough to sanction the US for its actions, or non-actions, whichever the case may be, as it doesn't matter anyway. :)
 

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CIA Have "apparently" identified a Gene in the DNA that, most religious extremist's have in comon.
There was a video about it online I saw.

Is it true? With unlimited resource it could be.
 

earth_as_one

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I only have one standard.

I condemn using ambulances for military purposes. I support bringing those who commit this war crime to justice.
 

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I only have one standard.

I condemn using ambulances for military purposes. I support bringing those who commit this war crime to justice.

Perhaps you do, but you also turned yourself into a pretzel trying to come up with a legitimate explanation for armed gunmen to be filing into the back of an ambulance in the middle of a combat zone. :lol:
 

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I remember back in the good old days when Spies were on the up and up. They always told you who they were and always adhered to a code of good moral spying conduct.

Get a grip on yourself EAO! They're bloody spies!:lol:
 

earth_as_one

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RTS, how would you feel if your neighbor hacked into your internet connection and posed as you to download child porn. As a result the cops arrest you and the press publishes your name on the front page. Now all your neighbors think you are a child molester, even though no charges were pressed and the news printed a retraction on page 16 next to the want ads. Well that still isn't as bad or as risky as the situation faced by humanitarian aid workers in Pakistan as a result of Spies posing as them.
 

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RTS, how would you feel if your neighbor hacked into your internet connection and posed as you to download child porn. As a result the cops arrest you and the press publishes your name on the front page. Now all your neighbors think you are a child molester, even though no charges were pressed and the news printed a retraction on page 16 next to the want ads. Well that still isn't as bad or as risky as the situation faced by humanitarian aid workers in Pakistan as a result of Spies posing as them.

Are you projecting here?
 

earth_as_one

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Absolutely not. I wouldn't wish a nightmare like that on my worst enemy.

My point is you are pretty callous about someone else's life. I suppose I have more respect for people who risk their lives in dangerous places to perform humanitarian work as charity. FYI: MSF doctors and nurses often don't get paid or get paid extremely little for their work.

I consider spies like soldiers. I respect those in take pride in those who do their duty with honor. I nothing but respect for spies and soldiers who do their job without committing war crimes or crimes against humanity.

The alleged activity described by MSF is the moral equivalent of a soldier abducting a child and using them to block bullets and search for explosives.
 

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Alleged fake CIA vaccination campaign undermines medical care

Whether true or not, the mere suggestion that the provision of medical care was carried out under false pretenses damages public perception of the true purpose of medical action,” said Unni

Just a couple of key words noted.....but it makes good headlines;-)

It also makes good forum fodder for some with an agenda.....;-)