The casual arming of the idiot cousins in the country directly south of Canada.

[Colpy]

Wow. Thanks.

I never heard of this. I'm surprised.

Although I have to say.........you claimed this fueled a spate of gun violence in Toronto....I highlighted the phrase that makes that claim highly doubtful.....

Detective Mark Johnstone of the Joint-forces Provincial Weapons Enforcement Unit, which investigated Balatoni, testified that since 1992, officers have recovered 224 Para-Ordnance handguns at crime scenes. Para-Ordnance is Canada's only handgun manufacturer.

He said 130 of them had no serial numbers, similar to the weapons that Balatoni had been manufacturing and selling from his Bristol Rd. residence. Johnstone said these untraceable weapons were ideal for criminals.


It was a news story that linked the spike to stolen Para Ordinance arms and Balatoni that triggered my memory of this.

The quotes seem contradictory.....the only explanation I can give is that the police were seizing these guns on drug raids.....thus the 224 found at crime scenes.....but could not connect any of them with shootings......and, considering the effectiveness of forensic ballistics, that would indicate the weapons were not used in any major violent crimes.

Which would belie your statement that these guns fueled a spate of shootings.

 

[EagleSmack]

When Hussein took over Iraq's oil for the Iraqi people, it stepped on Cheney & Bush's business toes, so ergo the headlong rush to invade. The only reason, they hoped to find weapons of mass destruction, was because the US sold the materials to produce them to Iraq in the days when they were friends. Surprise, surprise.......the Iraqi's never did anything with them. LOL.

Who owned Iraq's Oil before Hussein took it over?

And btw... that invasion... Canada couldn't get their troops over there fast enough. Stop being a hypocrite.

As we speak you guys are bombing the brains out of Libya. What did Libya do to Canada?

 

[CUBert]

Carrying a concealed handgun in public is permitted in 48 states as of Mar. 12, 2010. Two states (Wisconsin and Illinois), and Washington, DC do not allow concealed carry, although Wisconsin permits openly carrying firearms in public. [1]

Murders with firearms (per capita) statistics - countries compared - Crime data on NationMaster

U.S.A is only a couple ranks below Mexico in murders with firearms per capita.

 

[petros]

The quotes seem contradictory.....the only explanation I can give is that the police were seizing these guns on drug raids.....thus the 224 found at crime scenes.....but could not connect any of them with shootings......and, considering the effectiveness of forensic ballistics, that would indicate the weapons were not used in any major violent crimes.

Which would belie your statement that these guns fueled a spate of shootings.

It's not my claim. It was simply the news story (W5 I think) that made the claim and I'm simply recalling the story as told.

Keep in mind those were only the ones recovered or seized.

It has been 10 years and by now it would be safe to say that some of the Balatonas stolen weapons were more likely used in violent crimes by now and have never been recovered.

Without a gun to link ballastics to all they can go on is calibre.

Parliament made a big kerfuffle about the spate of shootings saying they were imports and even allocated more money to the Windsor/Detrot border crossing.

**** for all we know know there could be a Darra type operation right within Canada and they would still blame registration and the borders.

 

[wulfie68]

Carrying a concealed handgun in public is permitted in 48 states as of Mar. 12, 2010. Two states (Wisconsin and Illinois), and Washington, DC do not allow concealed carry, although Wisconsin permits openly carrying firearms in public. [1]

Murders with firearms (per capita) statistics - countries compared - Crime data on NationMaster

U.S.A is only a couple ranks below Mexico in murders with firearms per capita.

Who cares about murders with a specific weapon type? Its the overall murder rate that ought to be what people fixate on first: shooting a person doesn't kill them any deader than stabbing, bludgeoning or poisoning them. Now if one weapon type is far and away the most common instrument, then it may behoove a country to take action, but comparing "firearm murder rates" while ignoring the over all rates is disingenuous at best.

 

[Colpy]

Carrying a concealed handgun in public is permitted in 48 states as of Mar. 12, 2010. Two states (Wisconsin and Illinois), and Washington, DC do not allow concealed carry, although Wisconsin permits openly carrying firearms in public. [1]

Murders with firearms (per capita) statistics - countries compared - Crime data on NationMaster

U.S.A is only a couple ranks below Mexico in murders with firearms per capita.

To buy a gun, clients must submit references and prove that their income is honestly earned, that their record is free of criminal charges and that their military obligations, if any, have been fulfilled with honor. They are fingerprinted and photographed. Finally, if judged worthy of owning a small-caliber weapon to protect home and hearth, they are allowed to buy just one. And a box of bullets.
Mexico has some of the toughest gun-control laws in the world, a matter of pride for the nation's citizens.



In Mexico, only one gun store but no dearth of violence

And, BTW, Mexico's murder rate in 2009 was 15 per 100,000......exactly THREE TIMES the rate of the USA.

Care to try that line of logic again?????

 

[CUBert]

Only a couple ranks below a country more violent than Afghanistan

Only a couple ranks below a country basically in a warzone

Regardless of the rigorous process of purchasing and owning a gun, which there are probably ways to bypass, the gun crime in the U.S remains ridiculously high.

Who cares about murders with a specific weapon type? Its the overall murder rate that ought to be what people fixate on first: shooting a person doesn't kill them any deader than stabbing, bludgeoning or poisoning them. Now if one weapon type is far and away the most common instrument, then it may behoove a country to take action, but comparing "firearm murder rates" while ignoring the over all rates is disingenuous at best.

Ok lets look at total crime per capita

Total crimes (per capita) statistics - countries compared - Crime data on NationMaster

U.S.A ranks higher than South Africa...

 

[ironsides]

Yeah....in other words, instead of getting an education in the subject, you prefer to cruise the web looking for plots.

I know, it is sooooo much easier that way, no need to spend months reading all those big books with the long words, or writing essays on things that happened before you were even born, or subject yourself to the evaluation of your work by a superior (shudder).

The United States is one of the best nations on earth.

Yes, they have been at war constantly. That goes with being a great power.

But I guess they didn't tell you that on THE LONEGUNMEN.COM, did they?

Cruise the web looking for plots not likely.....Madam Colpy (by the way, this is a compliment) Women do think before acting, while men....well you get the drift. Since I read on an average of 2 books a week, and I have no problem with long words, I feel you have confused me with someone else. I lived through WWII. You do know that your great country sold arms to both sides during that war and only took sides after the Pearl Harbour attack. Perhaps you do not know that it began in 1939 and ended in 1945. So who was hiding behind who's skirts??

When Hussein took over Iraq's oil for the Iraqi people, it stepped on Cheney & Bush's business toes, so ergo the headlong rush to invade. The only reason, they hoped to find weapons of mass destruction, was because the US sold the materials to produce them to Iraq in the days when they were friends. Surprise, surprise.......the Iraqi's never did anything with them. LOL.

I gather in your manner of thinking a great country must be an aggressive, violent entity!! It is precisely, that attitude, that begets a nation that cares nothing for it's sick, old or poor. How sad to feel one must protect one's self from neighbours and acquaintances with guns, bats etc.

Oh, but wait, I spend a great deal of time in the US and I do know also, from experience, that the average American does not have the idea, they must be armed to the teeth to even survive in that "greatest of country on earth"and that such an attitude is what gained the "Ugly American" nick in many foreign nations. Geez, some of your countrymen have taken to claiming Canada as their country of origin in place of being a proud American. Clear the gunsmoke from your vision for Pete's sake.

You really do need to expand your horizons. Where on earth did you get the idea that war-mongering makes a great country?? It doesn't. Neither does treating it's poor, old and sick disgracefully put it in the "great" category.

As for WW-II, you are pretty much right, we were making money from everybody till Japan had to go spoil it, Germany then declare war on U.S. December 10, 1941 (treaty obligation). U.S. declared war on Germany December 11, 1941. But back to Hussein. When Hussein took over Iraq, he pretty much left the oil companies alone, he needed their money and arms support from the West (not just the U.S. France sold to him also). By the way, Hussein used weapons of mass destruction against his own people and Iran, so they did exist.

 

[In Between Man]

...

CUBert, I have a question...

How am I suppose to pronounce your handle?

Is it: Q - Bert , CUB - bert , or See Yoo Bert?

Help a guy out here, preferably without giving me a reddie because I'm asking with all respect intended, and if I post on your wall you may not see if right away.

Thanks!

 

[ironsides]

Only a couple ranks below a country more violent than Afghanistan

Only a couple ranks below a country basically in a warzone

Regardless of the rigorous process of purchasing and owning a gun, which there are probably ways to bypass, the gun crime in the U.S remains ridiculously high.



Ok lets look at total crime per capita

Total crimes (per capita) statistics - countries compared - Crime data on NationMaster

U.S.A ranks higher than South Africa...

We really have to explain nothing to anyone. We are Americans and proud of it.

 

[CUBert]

CUBert, I have a question...

How am I suppose to pronounce your handle?

Is it: Q - Bert , CUB - bert , or See Yoo Bert?

Help a guy out here, preferably without giving me a reddie because I'm asking with all respect intended, and if I post on your wall you may not see if for awhile.

Thanks!

YouTube - ‪System of a Down - CUBErt Lyrics‬‏

 

[BaalsTears]

They are afraid of each other.

Afraid people are like that.

But why are they so afraid?

Yes, we are afraid of each other. We avoid each other out of fear of physical harm. Better safe than sorry.

Why are we afraid of each other? Diversity, estrangement, resentment, and alienation. Actually when it comes down to it, there no longer is a "we."

 

[Colpy]

Only a couple ranks below a country more violent than Afghanistan

Only a couple ranks below a country basically in a warzone

Regardless of the rigorous process of purchasing and owning a gun, which there are probably ways to bypass, the gun crime in the U.S remains ridiculously high.



Ok lets look at total crime per capita

Total crimes (per capita) statistics - countries compared - Crime data on NationMaster

U.S.A ranks higher than South Africa...

Excuse me?

We're talking about murder here..........quit changing the goal posts. What the hell does gun ownership have to do with the crime rate outside of those parameters??

Mexico a couple of ranks lower than the USA????

Mexico ranks 44th in the world for their murder rate......the United States ranks 89th. that is somewhat more than "a couple of ranks"

South Africa:

In South Africa, owning a gun is conditional on a competency test and several other, albeit ill defined factors, including background checking of the applicant, inspection of an owner's premises, and licensing of the weapon by the police introduced in July 2004. The process is currently undergoing review[4], as the police are at present, not able to adequately or within reasonable time, process either competency certification, new licenses or renewal of existing licenses. Minimum waiting period frequently exceeds 2 years from date of application.[3]

Gun politics in South Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

South Africa ranks 12the in the international murder rate.....a rate of 34 per 100,000....almost 7 times that of the USA.

I guess the police can do their job LOL. So, who is actually cruising the web looking for proof supporting their wild & wackey opinions.

As opposed to those who simply pull their idiotic ideas out of their arse, and can't back them up????

 

[CUBert]

Excuse me?

We're talking about murder here..........quit changing the goal posts. What the hell does gun ownership have to do with the crime rate outside of those parameters??

You're really asking this question? Well, because many gun nuts think owning guns will deter crime, which it clearly doesn't.

Mexico a couple of ranks lower than the USA????

Mexico ranks 44th in the world for their murder rate......the United States ranks 89th. that is somewhat more than "a couple of ranks"

South Africa:



Gun politics in South Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

South Africa ranks 12the in the international murder rate.....a rate of 34 per 100,000....almost 7 times that of the USA.

I don't know where you're getting those statistics and if they're based on per capita or total crimes.

 

[Colpy]

You're really asking this question? Well, because many gun nuts think owning guns will deter crime, which it clearly doesn't.



I don't know where you're getting those statistics and if they're based on per capita or total crimes.

Ah....34 per 100,000 persons indicates a per capita murder rate. The per 100,000 statistic is pretty well standard when discussing murder rates......

Stats from here......

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[petros]

According to that list Western Europe is the safest place to live.

By a loooooong shot.

 

[YukonJack]

Hungarian, huh?

Probably a rabidly anti union, ultra conservative type, too.

I gave a neg for this post, because it is stereo-typing. While I agree that most stereo-typing is rooted in at least some truth, it is still politically incorrect and insensitive to do so.

 

[cranky]

YouTube - ‪System of a Down - CUBErt Lyrics‬‏

That is 3m18s of my life that I would like to have back

 

[CUBert]

Ah....34 per 100,000 persons indicates a per capita murder rate. The per 100,000 statistic is pretty well standard when discussing murder rates......

Stats from here......

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

B.S list that has Canada higher than African countries.

 

[Colpy]

B.S list that has Canada higher than African countries.

Oh give it a ****ing break!!!!!!

Perhaps you could provide some contrasting numbers on murder rates then???

You know, instead of simply whining about the stats I provide.....

The source is not perfect, and acknowledges in the preamble that stats from some third world nations are misreported for political reasons.....which means that some nations appear worse than they really are. That would include Canada.....AND the USA.