What's your opinion on United States Of America?

Cliffy

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Somebody is lying and/or intentionally misinforming us.

International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War


The US-led military coalition that fought
the 1991 Gulf War is reported to have
used about 300 tons of ammunition containing
depleted uranium (DU) against
Iraqi tanks and other armored vehicles.
During the 1999 war in the Balkans, NATO
forces used about 11 tons of DU in missiles
that were fired into the former Yugoslavia.1
DU weapons have military utility because the
density and tensile strength of uranium
(which is relatively cheap and abundant) give
it unusual armor-piercing capabilities.
Concerns about the potential health effects of
DU weapons arise primarily from immediate
and long term uranium contamination in the
areas where they are used. On penetration,
for example, about 20% of the DU burns spontaneously,
creating a fine aerosol smoke of
uranium oxide that can be easily inhaled and
lodge itself in the lungs. Fragments of DU
weapons are scattered around battlefields,
and can become embedded as shrapnel in
human and animal flesh.
In the months and years following both
of these armed conflicts, a large number of
soldiers, UN peacekeepers, and civilians
have exhibited unexpected and unexplained
health problems, including excess leukemias
and other cancers, neurological disorders,
birth defects, and a constellation of symptoms
loosely gathered under the rubric “Gulf
War Illnesses.” Depleted uranium, because of
its radioactivity and chemical toxicity, has
been linked to these acute health effects in the
press and in public forums. Some opponents
of DU weapons have categorically asserted
that exposure to depleted uranium is the
direct cause of these excess cancers. US and
NATO officials, citing the published research
on the health effects of uranium, have dismissed
DU as a potential cause of the acute
health effects for which it has been blamed.

Full report: www.ippnw.org/pdf/mgs/7-1-ippnw-depleted-uranium.pdf
 

petros

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Why are you talking about aerosol or vapor, DU weapons do not explode, if they hit something they will get hot but nothing of any consequence will convert to a aerosol or vapor, maybe just particles. Yes, some radiation is very deadly, but not DU particles unless you add them to your food regularly.
Some have described the effect of depleted uranium as being like a laser in its ability to punch a hole through armor. The projectiles do not themselves contain explosives, but explosions often result from the fuel or munitions stored within a vehicle. In addition to being highly effective, depleted uranium rounds have the advantage of avoiding unexploded ordinance left on the battlefield or causing extreme collateral damage if the round misses the target. They also won’t explode in the breach of a gun. Nothing better for penetrating armor.
Pyrophoricity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Uranium is pyrophoric, as shown in the vaporization of depleted uranium penetrator rounds into burning dust upon impact with their targets. In finely divided form it is readily ignitable, and uranium scrap from machining operations is subject to spontaneous ignition[5]
 
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ironsides

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You are referring to particles, sparks if you wish that are red hot and may ignite combustibles inside the armored vehicle. Any vapor resulting from the sparks would be minuscule. It would not effect anyone outside the tank. and those on the inside would have a lot more to worry about.
 

PoliticalNick

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You are referring to particles, sparks if you wish that are red hot and may ignite combustibles inside the armored vehicle. Any vapor resulting from the sparks would be minuscule. It would not effect anyone outside the tank. and those on the inside would have a lot more to worry about.
Since you're so positive you won't mind volunteering for some testing then. We can burn up a bunch of DU around your house while you're working in the yard every weekend for a month or two and see if you get sick immediately or a few years later. A great way for you to prove your case it's harmless.
 

petros

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You are referring to particles, sparks if you wish that are red hot and may ignite combustibles inside the armored vehicle. Any vapor resulting from the sparks would be minuscule. It would not effect anyone outside the tank. and those on the inside would have a lot more to worry about.
NO I'm not. Uranium, 60% depleated or not burns at 6000C all on it's lonesome when impacting a target. Do you even have a clue how ****ing hot that is or how rapidly it burns? Hot and fast enough that it will create a nice big ass cloud of radiocative plasma that contanminates everything else that is burning along with it and is spread far and wide by the fires as an aerosol.

How do you think a dirty bomb works?

Chernobyl and Daiichi radioactive iostopes have been spread far and wide by what? Storm blown birds?
 

Dixie Cup

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The American people are great! It's the politics and government that aren't so great. Not unlike Canada, apathy has taken over and that will destroy the country from within. Americans have a HUGE economic problem that, to me, looks almost insurmountable. They need to get rid of the current Administration, but who is out there that will lead? Alas I don't see a significant Leader anywhere to take them where they need to go.

JMO

We need nuclear plants in this world but it'll never happen. Even though the safety is beyond rapproach, people harp on how "dangerous" these plants are. Unfortunately the stats don't support that at all - it's all fear mongering which, it seems, sane people fall for all the time.

But, be that as it may, it'll just mean higher and higher utilities that we and our children will have to pay in the years coming. Sigh

JMO
 

EagleSmack

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Want to snort a line of yellowcake?

If you snort DU dust it may be harmful. But you gotta want it.

But basically you were trying to say radiation can be bad right?

Since you're so positive you won't mind volunteering for some testing then. We can burn up a bunch of DU around your house while you're working in the yard every weekend for a month or two and see if you get sick immediately or a few years later. A great way for you to prove your case it's harmless.

Why? DU has been used a lot and there is no increase in cancer among people exposed to it. Those are the facts.
 

lone wolf

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How many people don't scrounge souvenirs and trophies from the battlefield - no matter what they're told? A blasted-out tank is a paradise to a collector - and a great place to be exposed to DU residue
 

petros

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If you snort DU dust it may be harmful. But you gotta want it.

But basically you were trying to say radiation can be bad right?



Why? DU has been used a lot and there is no increase in cancer among people exposed to it. Those are the facts.
Has it been 40 years yet? Because that is how long it takes to get lung cancer from inhaling alpha particles.

You are killing your comrades with your stupidity.

If you snort DU dust it may be harmful. But you gotta want it.
But inhaling the identical chemnical compound as a vapour won't do a ****ing thing?

I don't think I like oranges anymore.
 

ironsides

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NO I'm not. Uranium, 60% depleated or not burns at 6000C all on it's lonesome when impacting a target. Do you even have a clue how ****ing hot that is or how rapidly it burns? Hot and fast enough that it will create a nice big ass cloud of radiocative plasma that contanminates everything else that is burning along with it and is spread far and wide by the fires as an aerosol.

How do you think a dirty bomb works?

Chernobyl and Daiichi radioactive iostopes have been spread far and wide by what? Storm blown birds?

Once a DU round hits its target, how or what will bring its temperature up to 6,000 degrees? (other than a nuclear explosion.) The round itself is not explosive.
 

petros

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Once a DU round hits its target, how or what will bring its temperature up to 6,000 degrees? (other than a nuclear explosion.) The round itself is not explosive.

Pyrophoricity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Uranium is pyrophoric, as shown in the vaporization of depleted uranium penetrator rounds into burning dust upon impact with their targets. In finely divided form it is readily ignitable, and uranium scrap from machining operations is subject to spontaneous ignition[5]
I still like oranges.
 

cranky

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As a canadian, sometimes i get the impression that i am supposed to feel anomousity towards our neighbors.

I am sorry, i can not. Imo, they are more than just neighbors, they are brothers.

The cbc? Culture of separating our values from their values seems to be more fabricated than real,imo.
 

Cliffy

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As a canadian, sometimes i get the impression that i am supposed to feel anomousity towards our neighbors.

I am sorry, i can not. Imo, they are more than just neighbors, they are brothers.

The cbc? Culture of separating our values from their values seems to be more fabricated than real,imo.
People are people no matter where they are from. What separates us is politics. Their 24/7/365 on all the time politicing and their Hollywierd style of governance and their "charge in/blow 'em up and try and fix it later" foreign policy to be specific. Although Harper is closing the gap on that with his wannabe American style of governance.
 

cranky

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People are people no matter where they are from. What separates us is politics. Their 24/7/365 on all the time politicing and their Hollywierd style of governance and their "charge in/blow 'em up and try and fix it later" foreign policy to be specific. Although Harper is closing the gap on that with his wannabe American style of governance.

"wannabe american style" is a good example of the canadian anomousity towards the usa, or at least it seems that way to me after putting into the content of oh so many american bashing comments that almost seems politically correct in canada.
 

petros

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As a canadian, sometimes i get the impression that i am supposed to feel anomousity towards our neighbors.

I am sorry, i can not. Imo, they are more than just neighbors, they are brothers.

The cbc? Culture of separating our values from their values seems to be more fabricated than real,imo.
Really? I was listening to two Burnaby residents on RadioOne the other day, one Chinese immigrant and one East Indian. They were arguing about public funding for sex education on gay and lesbianism in the Burnaby public system vs. private school curriculm and funding.

Both knew the political structure of Canada far better than some of the so-called CDNs who bitch about Harper and potholes.
 

YukonJack

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"wannabe american style" is a good example of the canadian anomousity towards the usa, or at least it seems that way to me after putting into the content of oh so many american bashing comments that almost seems politically correct in canada.

Careful, now, cranky! Easy with showing so much sympathy towards America!

Soon you'll hear from the usual suspects the friendly advice to move there!
 

Praxius

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Careful, now, cranky! Easy with showing so much sympathy towards America!

Soon you'll hear from the usual suspects the friendly advice to move there!

Cripes, I keep seeing this thread constantly coming back up... I thought if I stayed out of it, it'd go away.

But since that didn't work, I might as well get involved.

Ever notice how every time someone speaks their opinion about something that they don't find favorable, you got the typical lynch mob already to hop in and wag their finger, saying typical crap like "Yer just jealous that you don't have it as good, so you bash them to over compensate for it by moaning and complaining."

Here's a question:

If you live in Canada, and you're a Canadian Citizen, and you actually think people have it much better in that country then you do in yours, why are You still living here?

And before you point out that I'm currently living in Australia and find it easier to live & things seem better.... keep in mind that I already admitted this, but I'm not the one going around b*tching and attacking other people for expressing their opinion and being a contradiction to what I'm saying.

Cripes, it's been going on for 860+ posts and it just keeps going around and around and around in circles.

Go ahead and click a few pages back.

Go even to the third, or say 12 page or whatever your forum settings are set to, and chances are, you'll read pretty much the same stuff as you see on this page.

You know what I see a few pages back and what's similar to this page?

I see a lot of people trying to see who's got the bigger penis.

Just thought, I'd point that out.

Carry on.