Abortion demonstration just doesn't sound right.
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and here is one of the reasons women seek out confidential abortions rather than going to term.
You must have missed the many supreme court rulings around the world regarding the right of the birth mother. And ther is always a good chance that some years down the road the mother or child will want to know.
There are many perils in adoption, it is not the easy simple utopian solution that some on here seem to think. It creates much emotional distress for all parties on many levels over time. Lots come out of it well adjusted and lots have problems throughout life.
My biggest problem with adopting infants is the amount of older kids that don't get the chance. I would have much support that basically outlawed foreign adoption while there were Canadian children waiting for a home. If people want children for the right reasons sooo bad they will take one that is not an infant. Those that only want infants are just as selfish as those that have abortions for birth-control purposes.
I thought you weren't coming back into this thread.
You should be out there working 5 jobs to prepare yourself to pay for the lifetiome of metal healthcare of the rape victims you want to force to carry the result of the rape and support those children you think should be brought into the world under those circumstances. Like I said before, if you want to victimize a victim then be ready to stimp up 100% of the cost of the aftermath out of your own pocket.
And all are still alive.
So killing an infant is the soloution to force people to adopt older kids?
So instead of guiding women that want to about, into keeping the child and placing up for adoption, you want to FORCE people to adopt older children they don't want?
No they won't.
No they aren't.
Here's a recap for ya numbnuts. I called you a moron once, and stupid once. AFTER you started with the comments. YOU decided to bring in my kids and my wife. Now, who is the one that seems to be seriously disturbed?
I know the feeling Bear, we had a pregnancy where the embryo was forming around the IUD, we had no choice really as there was no prognosis of anything but a stillborn lump of cells. We still agonized over the decision and still think about it today with sadness.
Not all, the suicide rate among adopted children is a bit higher than among children with their natural parents. The suicide rate among women who have given up their children is higher also. A couple of the reasons we foster and try to work with children and parents to reunite the family instead of adopting.
Not what I said, Abortion and adoption are 2 different subjects and each has its own set of devastating emotional damage to the mother. The different resulting damage to the child is obvious.
I would always encourage women to take responsibility for their actions and carry the child to term. I am not into abortion for contraception puprposes, I thought I had made that clear a few times already. I would however make sure that those who want to adopt are forced to consider the selfish reasons for adopting an infant and would disqualify all those that refuse to consider taking a child that is not an infant. Adoption is supposed to be primarily about the welfare of the child and providing a good home for a child that needs one, not the social status and vanity of the parents. It is about the children not the parents!!!!
Without stats, subjective.
Again, subjective.
Right, force, when the coercion failed. I got you the first time.
Since you think it's about status, also subjective.
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Reread what I wrote as a single thought. Not 3 different independent thoughts.
There are thousands of people who had a child they didn't particularly want (at the time of conception) but when the came they were responsible, caring parents who raised the child properly.
And thousands who wanted to get pregnant turn out to be scumbag parents. I thought the debate was over the right to choose for ones self not about if someone will be a good parent.
So sorry, I didn't realize you were an expert on the emotional trauma surrounding adoption and abortion and how the trauma is exactly the same. Try to get a grip and not just argue everything for once. They are 2 different situations and carry extremely different emotional trauma and baggage. Just the fact they are different situations is enough to objectively call the resulting emotional damage different. But hey, your some big f*cking expert on it so please tell me how they are identical.
Forced to participate in counselling (like prospective adopters already are) about how selfish the choice to only consider an infant. Not forced to adopt someone they don't want. Almost everybody who wants to adopt wants an infant, that is why there is a list of thousands waiting for years while thousands of kids who need a home will wait forever living in foster care or orphanages. Sorry if the truth bothers you but those who only want an infant are right from the start showing disregard for children IMHO and should be disqualified just on that.
Status is one reason, vanity is another, thinking they can take a baby with someone else's genes and mold it into little versions of themselves is another. There is nothing subjective about saying someone who claims to want to adopt only an infant is in it for entirely selfish reasons. They don't care about the child as much as they care about getting what they want. Like I said, if they care about children who need a home there are more kids than people to adopt them so nobody has to wait, but that is if they are in it for the child.
Anyway, this is a topic for discussion in another thread, this one is about abortion and I would say we actually agree completely and have the same position. Personally anti-abortion but pro-choice.
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Here is one single reason why I'm against abortion...In '97 my daughter in law, pregnant with her first child had morning, afternoon and evening sickness like you wouldn't believe, and the tests they performed after her first trimester was that the child would be born severely challenged or at the very least with down syndrome, and they scheduled her for a "clinic" in Toronto.
Now, even if going to that "clinic" would mean that everything would be paid for, including travel grant, with no prompting from us, they scheduled an appointment, on their own, with a gynecologist in Toronto.
To make a long story short,five months later, after taking some very expensive pills, that most drug plans, (at least my son's drug plan) wouldn't pay for.....she gave birth (cesarean) to a normal baby boy....
Although, the way he wears his clothes, the way he walks, or the way he talks.....my generation might frown at the term "normal" for a boy that will turn 13 in a few weeks..
So, you're against abortion because your daughter had a child?
But, I thought you wanted people to take responsibility for their decisions, and not change their minds?
I think Gerry has identified the problem exactly and you don't seem to catch on............killing kids is wrong.
Calling a young girl that get's pregnant a sl ut is not conducive to anybody taking responsibility for anything.
Here is one single reason why I'm against abortion...In '97 my daughter in law, pregnant with her first child had morning, afternoon and evening sickness like you wouldn't believe, and the tests they performed after her first trimester was that the child would be born severely challenged or at the very least with down syndrome, and they scheduled her for a "clinic" in Toronto.
Now, even if going to that "clinic" would mean that everything would be paid for, including travel grant, with no prompting from us, they scheduled an appointment, on their own, with a gynecologist in Toronto.
To make a long story short,five months later, after taking some very expensive pills, that most drug plans, (at least my son's drug plan) wouldn't pay for.....she gave birth (cesarean) to a normal baby boy....
Although, the way he wears his clothes, the way he walks, or the way he talks.....my generation might frown at the term "normal" for a boy that will turn 13 in a few weeks..
However did you come to that conclusion??? because I gave one single reason?? out of many
You ass ume alot...... or read what you want to read in a post...note: daughter in law
Hahah
If you equate 'killing kids' with abortion you're a whacko and shouldn't be argued with further....
religious people, smh...
What does religion have to do with this? It's like assuming that all religious people are against same sex marriages or that only religious people are against ssm. It's idiotic.
Here is one single reason why I'm against abortion...In '97 my daughter in law, pregnant with her first child had morning, afternoon and evening sickness like you wouldn't believe, and the tests they performed after her first trimester was that the child would be born severely challenged or at the very least with down syndrome, and they scheduled her for a "clinic" in Toronto.
Now, even if going to that "clinic" would mean that everything would be paid for, including travel grant, with no prompting from us, they scheduled an appointment, on their own, with a gynecologist in Toronto.
To make a long story short,five months later, after taking some very expensive pills, that most drug plans, (at least my son's drug plan) wouldn't pay for.....she gave birth (cesarean) to a normal baby boy....
Although, the way he wears his clothes, the way he walks, or the way he talks.....my generation might frown at the term "normal" for a boy that will turn 13 in a few weeks..
First, I say it's extremely callous and unprofessional to have scheduled that appointment without your daughter's expressed consent. The person who did that should be put through proper training in attending to patients. That was a terrible thing to do. Who ever it was that performed those tests, which it seems turned out to be 100% inaccurate, your taste in modern hipness aside, should also be brought before the Board to address this poor performance with such careless advice.
While I think abortion should always be an option at the start of a pregnancy, it should always be the last option.
Those who help and advise pregnant women especially young women, should be working to provide the facts without hype or hysterics. That isn't part of the job.
Some people just suck at their job.
In a seriously messed up twist, your daughter inlaw would probably have found some relief in Cannabis to settle her stomach in the first trimester. I doubt those who were handling her pregnancy there would have prescribed it, instead offering up if anything at all, drugs that do less, cause worse side effects and actually harm the baby to some extent. Ain't that messed up?
Man when you're right you're right! For those who are able to deal with it, I don't think there many things in life as big or as rewarding. I know some people don't feel that, but I do. Thanks for making the point.
Yeah, check the divorce rate too. There are also thousands of parents in or have been in vicious custody battles that used the children as weapons to hurt the other. The kids grow up a wreck and have for the rest of their lives horrible questions they can't answer that gnaw at them ruining not just their lives, but the lives of the families they try to have and fail at.
So it's not all an under dog scenario where everyone learns a lesson and becomes a much better person along with a happy ending. Some consideration should be given to those who grow up tortured until they kill themselves because they can't deal with the pain.
you make such a good point, I haven't thought about all of those kids sitting, waiting for someone to care
and love them, while all of the adopting couples are also sitting waiting for what they want, while not
giving one moments thought to all of the children waiting.
Having a baby, just to give it away, only to have it wait a little too long, till no one wants it, would
tear my heart out.
How could a mother hand her own baby to someone, then just walk away thinking that all will be well,
'no guarantee' at all.
No way jose, I did have my babies when I planned for them, and kept them, no abortions for me,
as my life went, BUT never say never, if my life had turns and twists that was different, maybe I would
have done so, can't say one way or the other, but I would have the early abortion, know exactly what I
was doing, and also know that I was the decision maker over whether I carry a child to full term or
not, and never never hand my new born over to someone else.
Give a baby for adoption just like taking a pet to the spca, no way.
I will be the decision maker whether an embryo continues to develope in my body or not, 'no one else', and
if I felt that the future of the child and myself was a deadend for 'whatever' reason that might be,
and believe me, that decision 'either way' would be well thought out, then I
would terminate the pregnancy, period, and I don't care what all of you do gooders think, you
make blanket statements, while not having a clue about being pregnant, having a child, or the
circumstances that would be in a woman's life at that time.
no one is in such a high place to make that kind of judgement on another, 'arrogant' is the
correct word for that position.
This is rich. There's no way you would give up a baby for adoption, likening it to giving a pet to the spca, but you have no problem killing that baby.
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Just read this to my wife Jenny, she just shook her head, went "yup", "another selfish bitch".