Abortion demonstration just doesn't sound right.
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Yup, and she has the right to choose birth control, and she has the right to choose condoms, and she has the right to choose adoption, and she has the right to choose abortion.
The guy had the right to choose to keep his d*ck in his pants too.
What's your point?
You didn't answer the question and decided to toss personal insults.... nice argument.
Sorry Bear, I lnow you can get touchy about specific questions. So no, you don't need to eat fetuses ti lve, but you do have to eat other living things, unless you want to eat carrion, so the point was that pro-lifers aren't concerned for life they are concerned for human life only.
Not even f*cking close. I am very anti-abortion, don't condone it, don't support it except for the most extreme circumstance.
I am however pro-freedom, which means everybody gets to make their own choice and I don't get to impose my views on them and they don't get to impose their views on me.
So this debate is not about supporting abortion or not supporting it. It is about supporting and promoting freedom. If you want to be free you have to let everyone else be free too.
Your wife knows.... you just b*tch and moan your opinion like the rest of us guys.
Everybody has sex, and a lot of people try and use contraception..... yet that doesn't always work and if pregnancy occurs, it still wasn't planned and it probably wasn't wanted, thus the contraceptives.
Based on your argument, if there's a woman who physically can't have kids due to a health problem, she shouldn't have sex for the rest of her life.
Or you'd probably suggest she get's her tubes tied..... but if some medical procedure comes along later where she can have children without risk to her life, because she had her tubes tied, she's screwed.
Maybe before you start ranting about who's a moron for what they did or do.... maybe you should look at who's the moron for what they say.
Your logic can not cover any and all possibilities in the world.... in some situations, an abortion is a valid choice.
But it doesn't really matter what you think or what opinion you have.... nor does mine matter.... we're not the ones having to worry about having children in our bodies. But I support and defend the woman's right to choose what happens to her body and her life..... you just support your own twisted and ignorant view because you think you live the perfect life everybody else should live up to....
.... which means my opinion is better then yours
Oops, that was supposed to be a neg rep....
I love how you call all of us baby killers.
as if that wins the argument.
I'll probably never opt for an abortion, or even an adoption.... but just because I won't, doesn't mean I think nobody else shouldn't either.
My life isn't everybody else's..... your life isn't everybody else's, thus constantly going on about your personal life and your personal decisions of spawning 7 kids like rabbits doesn't apply to everybody else's situation.... thus isn't any type of argument at all.
Others in here are backing their opinions with facts, studies and open-mindedness.... you're just spouting your own bias & ignorant perspective.
Ok, now I'm gonna blow my stack.
What about her right to not be raped and not be pregnant against her will. Do you think daddy is gonna fu*cking be there to support her and the kid while he's doing 10-25 years. Do you think she would want him around? Do you think the kid will want his f*cked up daddy when he finds out he's a rapist? Do you think the kid won't be f*cked up emotionally knowing he's the product of a rape? Like really are you a f*cking nutcase or just a plain old as*hole. We don't even need to go into the mental trauma that piles on top of the trauma af the rape istself. I thought you were a much better person than your idotic comment. Here's a great f*cking idea. Every woman that is raped and gets pregnant can have the embryo transferred to a surrogate and carried to term all at your f*cking expense and the you can have all the f*cking kids to keep. I have never heard anything so f*cking stupid in my life. I would imagine the suicide rate of pregnant rape victims would be up near 100 fu cking %.
HOLY FU CK!!!!!
Pot meet kettle.... I still have yet to see you present any decent argument or point, other then to insult and troll others for expressing their opinions and providing facts.
But not for that dipsh*t rapist that knocks up some poor unsuspecting young girl, who would the be forced by you to have the baby and raise and deal with all that added trauma. I guess you think rapists make good daddys!!!
Indeed.... It is.
Where are your logical arguments?
Where's your evidence to back up your arguments, other then your personal life?
I have yet to see you refute or properly counter someone's arguments you don't agree with, other then calling them a baby killer, moron, or something else equally pathetic.
And by the way, nobody that supports pro-choice is a baby killer..... abortions don't kill babies, they terminate a fetus.
Get a clue.
I'm sure Gerry is just another dumbass, brainwashed catholic who takes all his trauma from getting butt-f*cked as an alter boy out on his wife and kids. I'm almost sure she probably only wanted 1 or 2 kids and would love to get rid of the biggest one she has to call husband.
Nah, he's even lower then that.
I think he lives in a trailer park,
beats his wife and raps his own kids.
I sense a seriously disturbed person.
Last time I had that sense, I was right.
This crazy kid was picking on everyone
Ends up, was actually being raped by his own father.
When I see how this Gerryh guy is posting. Its that
same messed up kind of creepy thing going on.
The way he insults everyone, its not right in the head
usually that is a sign theres something wrong.
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When I knocked up my wife she was 17 and I was 22. We were pressured to have an abortion and were given so many lame ass excuses it only shored up our decision to stay together and start a family.
We've been married almost 21 years, my wife never missed any university, didn't get fat, got better jobs and promoted faster because she was a mother, I never left her and found another, we were never short of money, we had oodles of support and advice and all without any financial help from parents.
There is no such thing as bad timing or being held back in anyway shape or form. The only thing we missed out on was boozing it up friends and spending money on stupid things we didn't need.
All it took was very minor sacrifices for something that gave us more happiness and brought us closer together in ways that made the people who tried seperate us and end the pregnancy are now jealous or extremely proud of the incredible person we raised during harsh economic times. Outside pressure almost convinced us to end the life of someone who just got accepted to med school at Dalhousie and will stay in Canada to work in the rural or northern regions where service is lacking.
All the things that we were warned of never materialized and Canada gains an Ob Gyn in another few years and spend her life bring babies into the world.
The funny thing was I was to marry her older cousin and closest friend (inspired my second to work in the same industry) but her tragic death while at work with Corrections Canada bought myself and my wife together out of tragedy.
If your ever in Ottawa put a flower at the monument for Fallen Peace Officers in Ottawa for me and Patricia Mary Lynn Sharber who gave her life in the line of duty.
And that is about as personal I'm going to get on here. I hope it gives some of you a little more perspective on me and smooths some of the rough edges I like to put forth.
I'm a damn lucky guy and I owe it all to be stubborn and doing the opposite what I was pressured to do.
We've been married almost 21 years, my wife never missed any university, didn't get fat, got better jobs and promoted faster because she was a mother, I never left her and found another, we were never short of money, we had oodles of support and advice and all without any financial help from parents.
There is no such thing as bad timing or being held back in anyway shape or form. The only thing we missed out on was boozing it up friends and spending money on stupid things we didn't need.
All it took was very minor sacrifices for something that gave us more happiness and brought us closer together in ways that made the people who tried seperate us and end the pregnancy are now jealous or extremely proud of the incredible person we raised during harsh economic times. Outside pressure almost convinced us to end the life of someone who just got accepted to med school at Dalhousie and will stay in Canada to work in the rural or northern regions where service is lacking.
All the things that we were warned of never materialized and Canada gains an Ob Gyn in another few years and spend her life bring babies into the world.
The funny thing was I was to marry her older cousin and closest friend (inspired my second to work in the same industry) but her tragic death while at work with Corrections Canada bought myself and my wife together out of tragedy.
If your ever in Ottawa put a flower at the monument for Fallen Peace Officers in Ottawa for me and Patricia Mary Lynn Sharber who gave her life in the line of duty.
And that is about as personal I'm going to get on here. I hope it gives some of you a little more perspective on me and smooths some of the rough edges I like to put forth.
I'm a damn lucky guy and I owe it all to be stubborn and doing the opposite what I was pressured to do.
Way to ****ing go Gerry! We wanted more but it wasn't for lack of trying. Hats off to you.Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh
and you're right, after 7 kids, what could I possibly know about pregnancy or birth.
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Canada Needs success like you Petros. Congratulations on beating the odd's
Imagine if those people that pressured you to have a abortion would have given you no choice.
You chose to be a good father.
You chose to make the family work
Imagine if those people that pressured you to have a abortion would have given you no choice.
You chose to be a good father.
You chose to make the family work
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It's not a free choice by any means.
If the clock were turned back a generation or two my friends would have gotten me drunk and her friends would have started rounding up baby clothes, diapers bedding and all the other accessories.
Now they root for killing the unborn and bitch about immigrants. WTF?
If the clock were turned back a generation or two my friends would have gotten me drunk and her friends would have started rounding up baby clothes, diapers bedding and all the other accessories.
Now they root for killing the unborn and bitch about immigrants. WTF?
I'm with you on that point.
Sometimes I feel like Canada is almost like a DNA grave yard.
I see some family's have 2 kids replacing 30 people.
Though protected sex could be the major cause of that,
not so much abortions
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You are not as protected as you think. All have high failure rates. It's not easy chemically fighting the main purpose of male and female existance.
What kind of power is that?
I bet you're wrong.
Not touchy, it's just one of those things that make me wonder why people claim they're here for discussion, and avoid it, only to preach.
That's right, eating is a natural part of living. It is a necessity.
Because, it is not a necessity, in most cases.
Really? I for one am glad you weren't able to impose your brand of freedom on a Florida Pastor.
I'm sure he isn't.
Is this a fantasy of yours?
Having actually talked to the woman, I can assure you, not only is she one tough, self assured, dignified, and empowered woman. She is very much child oriented, with a brood of her own choosing and a flock of others children under her wing.
What kind of power is that?
Because of the use of expletives?
You know what's funny? All he's said to/and about you is, that he thinks you're a 'f!cking moron'. But you've gone an extra step and accused him of raping his kids, and beating his wife.
One of those acts is rude, based on frustration, the other completely ignorant, and meant only to shout someone down. Which do you think yours is?
That's right, which makes immigration a necessity.
I hear you and I am guilty of it sometimes myself, but it's not the best way. I think the best way is just to keep calm and ask a question (without sarcasm) and a lot of times when they have to think of a valid answer they come to their senses. There is a good reason for the use of expletives and that is when things have reached a f******g point where nothing else gets attention. When you use them all the time they lose their effectiveness.........................."oh that's him again just being him" :lol:
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you need things spoon fed. As far as I'm concerned, she loses the right to choose when it is no longer just about her. When her actions are effecting ONLY her, she can choose whatever she wants. When it becomes about a baby, killing the child should not be an option. Simple really.
It was an ignorant question deserving of nothing more.
Yes, I know. The baby killers and those that support them, like yourself, prefer to refer to the baby as a "fetus" rather than baby so that they can ausage their guilt and dehumanize their victim. Killers always dehumanize their victims. The Allies did it with the Axis, the americans with the viet cong, the west with the soviet bloc, etc, etc, etc.
Sorry to disappoint you, but, I have not lived out your fantasy.