Abortion demonstration just doesn't sound right.
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I'm sure the chickens and cows don't care about your neccessity to live and might prefer you to eat human fetuses instead of them.
This reminds me of the time during my wife's first pregnancy when we were sitting in the movies and he was kicking up a storm. I can still remember all the glaring looks we got for chuckling while JFK got his head blown apart over and over in slow-mo. If they only knew what was really going on....
The valid reasons and situations are as many and different as the people involved, that is the point, what might not be valid or acceptable to you is to them and vice-versa. To me that is why pro-choice is the only intelligent choice.
http://tunes.digitalock.com/Augusts_Rhapsody.mp3 <-- click to play
CDNBear is trying to act like Mussad.
Pity he does not have qualifications to get himself out of Montreal.
I swear, let us not talk about that right now.
<-- http://tunes.digitalock.com/Augusts_Rhapsody.mp3 We are now going to talk about this or I swear I am going to use my prayers to shut you up until you get rational.
Let us talk about how we have a majority government capable of doing something Chretien promised but did not, which is feed pregnant women in their last trimester.
Do that and it has the same effect on society as abortion for cutting down crime in the future.
Either you reduce crime by letting poor women abort kids they cannot afford to raise, or yo let pregnant women get well fed in their third trimester to turn the span to someone else to raise.
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Unless her name is the Virgin Mary a man has a ****lode of say.
Do you have any idea how many women who listen to all the lame excuses put forth for having an abortion live horrible lives of secrecy, lieing to boyfriends or husbands trying to hide their past, shame, depression, fear of retribution from God, substance abuse or eventually end their own lives in guilt and anguish? I do. I live with a woman who seems to be perpetually on call 24/7 who has spent a hefty chunk her life trying to piece the emotions of hundreds of women back together who have made the mistake of falling to the flimsy pressures and excuses for ending the life of their child. It's not easy on the people who give their hearts to help women cope with the after effects of an abortion and it isn't easy on the people who have to perform them day in day out. Check out their freak out or suicide stats for that sector of the health industry sometime.
To say it's an individual choice and hers alone to deal with is one of the biggest lies behind Pro-Choice. Don't think so? Look into how many pro-choice groups advocate and lobby for post abortion support services because they know full well how damaging they are.
Hey ****holes, remember how some time back Chreteien promised to to some natal feeding in order to get some votes?
http://tunes.digitalock.com/Augusts_Rhapsody.mp3 <-- click to play
I don't know how to communicate this information to you. It's that the braincells grow in the last third of a woman's pregnancy and how well she is fed then determines whether or not the kid is funcional versus a criminal idiot.
That means Harper's government puking love of maintaining overpopulation on the rest of the planet is justified to control its own by feeding all pregnant woman so no stupid kid gets born in Canada.
It cuts the immigration requirement if all new-born well-fed.
http://tunes.digitalock.com/frozen.mp3
Feed the unborn in order to have them be unworthy of abortion.
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http://tunes.digitalock.com/Augusts_Rhapsody.mp3 <-- click to play
I don't know how to communicate this information to you. It's that the braincells grow in the last third of a woman's pregnancy and how well she is fed then determines whether or not the kid is funcional versus a criminal idiot.
That means Harper's government puking love of maintaining overpopulation on the rest of the planet is justified to control its own by feeding all pregnant woman so no stupid kid gets born in Canada.
It cuts the immigration requirement if all new-born well-fed.
http://tunes.digitalock.com/frozen.mp3
Feed the unborn in order to have them be unworthy of abortion.
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You put an awful lot of baggage in that post,I will try to address a couple of the things you bring up.
While the man involved should rightfully have some input, especially in long term commited relationships, the final decision must be hers and hers alone. We as men cannot use brute force to enact or prevent the termination so it is her choice over her body in the end.
If a woman has to try to lie and hide her past from her partner then I would say she might want to consider a new partner, we all have history and sometimes it is not nice, if your partner cannot accept that and how it makes you who you are then it is their problem, not yours.
I could argue that it is the stigma attached to the act by pro-lifers that creates most of the major emotional issues which would only be enhanced by making the act illegal. We know from past experience that prohibition only leads to back-street abortions and self-terminations of the grossest and most dangerous sort making the mental trauma even greater than it is already.
The reason those that support choice also support pre and post procedure support is to ensure first that the decision is made for the correct reasons and also to ensure the trauma is as minimal as possible, that is only good healthcare policy.
The issue is very complex and very individual and a lot of the generalization from both sides is not helpful at all. For me it always comes back to the reciprocal argument of I don't want anyone to interfere with my body so I will not interfere with theirs.
Was the question to hard to answer?
Back this BS again are we. You seem fascinated with me, why is that?
Funny, I don't live in Montreal and never have. Sort of puts a damper on your obsession with those terrible Montreal Joos, you hate so much.
No lets, you've been flaming like a coward, from behind your iggy button for weeks now. Why don't you grow some balls and just come out and have it out with me, like a man?
Neither were you - and based on your posts here, you still aren't - when your mother made the choice to contaminate the world and give you birth, the fact that you are all to eager to deny to those who can't speak for themselves.
Aren't you glad your Mom was pro-life?
I understand where you're coming from, but even 'promoting pro-life' in that context, might imply the imposition. Since being pro-choice is an inherently freedom-based argument, and being pro-life necessarily hinders freedom, that should be the starting point for the argument. It's disingenuous that Pro-lifers turn off the fact that people can choose not to abort. And since you are free to choose not to abort the child, it goes without saying that you can be 'pro life' as well.
So don't promote pro life, promote pro choice.
Also, the whole 'responsibility' slant is a bit ridiculous because the more responsible agent would be the one who had the option to abort their child, but chose not too. Being pro-choice actually imposes a greater responsibility on society than being pro-life, not less.
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Start another thread on nutrition, otherwise, try to stick to the topic.
Pro-life is a misnomer for the majority. Most are anti-abortion, not pro-life. Just like pro-choice is a misnomer, they are pro-abortion.
Being pro-choice is NOT being more responsible, the responsible thing would have been not to get pregnant to begin with. The responsible thing would NOT be killing the baby because of YOUR screw up. The responsible thing would NOT be to kill the baby because of your selfishness. Pro-choice is all about selfishness and irresponsibility.
And that stand, is a libertarian cause that only benefits people in the end.
By forcing people to carry a burden, you're not making them any more responsible. This is a psycho-social paradox that many pro-lifers need to get over. People respond better to those who chose to bear that burden, despite how easy it would be to make the choice not to.
And that makes perfect sense, as responsibility is intrinsically linked to freedom.
By imposing a mandate on anti-abortion, I'm not the one choosing to avoid killing the child. The government is making that choice for me.
So all you are proving here is that the government is bearing the responsibility, not me. In your world, the reality is that I'm just following orders, but I am no more responsible than I would be if I had the option to choose.
By your logic, prisoners become more responsible when we put them in jail.
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I am pro-life. Even if a woman is raped, I still believe the baby has a right to life and no one is allowed to purposely abort it. That said, being pro-life does not equate to immediately judging an unmarried woman who is pregnant. You can't have it both ways by judging all single pregnant women and then wonder why they seriously consider abortion. Imagine a woman who gets pregnant during rape. Not only must she deal with the rape but also judgement should she choose not to abort.
Looking at it that way, judging pregnant single women encourages abortion.
He does bring up some legitimate points, though his logic is still flawed. Just because many conservatives are loopy does not make pro-life a loopy stance.
In fact, there are atheist pro-lifres too.