Abortion demonstration just doesn't sound right.

DaSleeper

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I'm pro choice.

Only because of the phenomenon that petros already mentioned.

I know a lot of people who are these days.......but with a clear understanding that to have an abortion is terminating a life..something that they sometimes regret...later on...
But a lot of people these days, actualy fool themselves and others into believing that a fetus is an inert part of their body...like a cyst.... or even a cancer...to cut out and discard.
I have seen people, with a stillborn, have an actual funeral......
 

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Each time you insult someone cause of there inability to correctly spell. Do it Knowing that you are potentially insulting someone with a mental handicap. Its the equivalent to laughing at someone with no legs for the fact he can't walk. I've been reading and posting on forums for a very long time so long in fact, that even a dumb stupid moron would have learned to spell by now. Somone's inability to Spell correctly is not a indication of his intelligence to make valid arguments, and post opinions.
There's a reason I don't attack peoples spelling/grammar, until the door is opened.

He simply has no respect for the majority of others.
I was a Soldier at one point in my life, I have an opinion that it is ok to kill, and I can justify that. Gh once compared me to Clifford Olson, because he believes killing for ANY reason is unjust and abhorrent.

Today we respect each others positions.

Why do you think that is?

Maybe he doesn't rape kids. maybe he doesn't beat his wife. But that he has a deep psychological scare from some kind of abuse from his past. That I'm almost certain of.
Maybe he was abused, but you have no proof, you have an assumption. But, there is no maybe about abusing his family, he simply doesn't. And without proof, if his actual name and identity was known to us, what you did would be a criminal offence, and actionable under civil law.

And as far as I'm concerned, far more ignorant, than being called a moron.
 
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And by the way, making life more attractive might also garner support among soft pro-lifers who are concerned with the support poorer families might get. As for free pre-school, I could consider extending it to all working parents who have no stay-at-home partner and who fall below a certain wealth-ceiling.
 

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No it's not irresponsible, it's more responsible. If you don't want the baby, do NOT have it! Because otherwise, you're forcing an unwanted child into a world that may have to sit through terrible foster homes, a child that may have depression or other psychological problems as a result of feeling unwanted by his biological parents , a child that could potentially turn to crime.. it's all detrimental if we try to force unwanted babies into society.

I agree, that has been my thought for some time, an 'very early' abortion for 'those' pregnancies where the
child is NOT wanted, should be terminated immediately, for the sake of both the mother and child.

I will be happy when there is a pill than can be taken 'very very' early in the pregnancy, or the
morning after pill, that is safe and dependable to cancel out any possibility of a pregnancy or
terminate a vey early one, we allow and condon pills and jellies etc that will make sure pregnancy
does not occur, and kills sperm by the million, same should be allowed for early pregnancies, and
if not, then an abortion should be available.

No woman who is pregnant should be 'made' to carry a child to term, just to give it away, many things
happen during pregnancy, it is not an easy journey, and giving birth is not an easy task.

I would choose an abortion over giving my newborn away, I think that is cruel, one does not know
what kind of life the child will have, who the parents will be, and I would not want my child going
through life knowing I did not want him/her.

I have known married couples who chose an abortion rather than bringing another child into the world,
for the sake of not only the newborn, but more so for the existing family, as they allready had
more than they planned for, and life was not easy, but very difficult financially which also brings
other emotional stress with it.

Sure it was a careless moment in there lives, doesn't mean they have to live with it, they made the
wise decision, very very early, then made another decision so that they would not become pregnant
again.

Not a situation where they are pulling a 5 or 6 month fetus out of a pregnant woman, but terminating
a pregnancy in the first 6 weeks.

I do not agree with late abortions, unless there is a serious medical problem.
 

petros

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Young women who change their mind about adoption, after giving birth.
It happens plenty. Instinct is something that is really hard to fight. Even as a father my instincts took over and remain in tune to this day. You've been there and know as a guy how protective you get just seconds after birth. Just imagine how overwhelming the protective instinct is for the mother when she first sees that little miracle?

No woman who is pregnant should be 'made' to carry a child to term, just to give it away, many things
happen during pregnancy, it is not an easy journey, and giving birth is not an easy task.
Can you name another reason for the purpose of the female body other than bearing and nurturing children?
 

CDNBear

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Maybe you should talk about that, I will help you in debating techniques.
No thanx, I don't subscribe to the cut and run, move goal posts, ignore reality, avoid answering questions, opine without actually reading/watching or knowing all the fact, threaten to punch people out, Cubby school of debating.

We have to many graduates from that moronic school around here as it is.

I wonder where I said that,oh yea, I didn't.
Yes you did.

I know a lot of people who are these days.......but with a clear understanding that to have an abortion is terminating a life..something that they sometimes regret...later on...
SCB had a tubal pregnancy, between thing one and thing two. It broke her heart and mine to have to abort her pregnancy. It wasn't easy, before and after. We know people who talk about it like it was so easy.
 

petros

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Abortion helps the well-being of society, PERIOD!!!!
I see we have a Margaret Sanger fan on the boards.

SCB had a tubal pregnancy, between thing one and thing two. It broke her heart and mine to have to abort her pregnancy. It wasn't easy, before and after. We know people who talk about it like it was so easy.
I'm sorry to hear that. It would break mine that's for sure.
 

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There's a reason I don't attack peoples spelling/grammar
Thank you.

Today we respect each others positions.
I will respect him the day he returns that respect.

Maybe he was abused, but you have no proof, you have an assumption. But, there is no maybe about abusing his family, he simply doesn't. And without proof, if his actual name and identity was known to us, what you did would be a criminal offence, and actionable under civil law.
So much for free speech I guess. Now we know why the government controls public hate speech.



And as far as I'm concerned, far more ignorant, than being called a moron.
I have a deep resect for others opinion. Listening and talking is as much about finding better Idea's and learning, Educating myself, then it is about telling my side of the story, or having a pissing match.

Did I go to far?
YA. When I get pissed off I go way over board.
I don't fight often but when I do I fight dirty.

Did he deserve it?
maybe not, still he should know better then to be a prick in almost every single post he produces. It could turn out someone creates damaging images of his life to explain why hes such a prick. Thats the price of being a dic. People hate you. He dosen't want that to happen? then he can play nice. He's got to take full responcibility for being a a$$hole.
And If he can't take that responcibility then why should you defend his rudness?
 
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DaSleeper

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SCB had a tubal pregnancy, between thing one and thing two. It broke her heart and mine to have to abort her pregnancy. It wasn't easy, before and after. We know people who talk about it like it was so easy.

Thank God I never had to go through a decision like that, but I believe I would have chosen the life of the person I know, over the possible life I don't.
 

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That's right, eating is a natural part of living. It is a necessity.
So like I said you are placing a higher value on human life than on all other life, that is self-interest and selective.
Because, it is not a necessity, in most cases.
Only becuase you are willing to kill or have someone else do it for you.
Really? I for one am glad you weren't able to impose your brand of freedom on a Florida Pastor.
You mean the guy who is a good case for legal abortion. I said before he was free to do his thing but should have held responsibility for the consequences.
I'm sure he isn't.
Just poking fun at him. I mean really, 7 kids, pro-life, seems to have issues with how others live their lives. That's textbook catholicism and I can't help poke fun at them.

Is this a fantasy of yours?
See above
Having actually talked to the woman, I can assure you, not only is she one tough, self assured, dignified, and empowered woman. She is very much child oriented, with a brood of her own choosing and a flock of others children under her wing.
See above
 

DaSleeper

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There's a reason I don't attack peoples spelling/grammar
Thank you.

Today we respect each others positions.
I will respect him the day he returns that respect.

Maybe he was abused, but you have no proof, you have an assumption. But, there is no maybe about abusing his family, he simply doesn't. And without proof, if his actual name and identity was known to us, what you did would be a criminal offence, and actionable under civil law.
So much for free speech I guess. Now we know why the government controls public hate speech.



And as far as I'm concerned, far more ignorant, than being called a moron.
I have a deep resect for others opinion. Listening and talking is as much about finding better Idea's and learning, Educating myself, then it is about telling my side of the story, or having a pissing match.

Did I go to far?
YA. When I get pissed off I go way over board.
I don't fight often but when I do I fight dirty.


Did he deserve it?
maybe not, still he should know better then to be a prick in almost every single post he produces. It could turn out someone creates damaging images of his life to explain why hes such a prick. Thats the price of being a dic. People hate you. He dosen't want that to happen? then he can play nice. He's got to take full responcibility for being a a$$hole.

And If he can't take that responcibility then why should you defend his rudness?

I can't realy know who your post is directed at........so....
Maybe this can be of help to you and to the rest of us reading your posts......
No offence but I'm reminded of SJP quotes...:smile:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/troubleshooting/89902-quoting-multi-quoting.html
 

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Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you need things spoon fed. As far as I'm concerned, she loses the right to choose when it is no longer just about her. When her actions are effecting ONLY her, she can choose whatever she wants. When it becomes about a baby, killing the child should not be an option. Simple really.

The big point you seem to miss is that you, nor anyone else, ever had the right to choose for her. You believe that as soon as she is pregnant that you can somehow usurp that right of choice and ownership of her body away from her to satisfy your own moral values.

If you read this thread, having unwanted children will, apparently, cause the parents to become responsible and successful adults who live a life of bliss.

That is the exception..not the rule.
 

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I think the simple pro-choice vs. pro-life dichotomy is a little too simplistic. I can see an at least four-way division:

1. Anti-abortion but not responsible for the child after birth.

2. Pro-life pre and post birth, meaning society ensuring the child is well cared for from child to grave.

3. Pro-choice with no sense of responsibility for those who are not aborted.

4. Pro-choice but with a sense of social responsibility for those who are not aborted.

Of course there are variations along spectra in all of these directions, and there are probably other categories too.
 

DaSleeper

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The big point you seem to miss is that you, nor anyone else, ever had the right to choose for her. You believe that as soon as she is pregnant that you can somehow usurp that right of choice and ownership of her body away from her to satisfy your own moral values.
I just love that pro-abortion stance that some men take, pretending that they are for women's' right and everything ,when the probable ulterior and possibly only motive is an easy flushing of their obligations down the garbage chute.:roll:
 

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Now if a woman was to get pregnant without having sex, practiced abstention, then that would be a true accident and we would be calling her Mary.
You don't really believe in that bullsh*t impossibility do you? Oh wait, you're catholic right? no need to answer.
 

Machjo

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I personally fall moderately into the second category, or somewhere between the first and the second, but also recognize that abortion for the sake of saving the mother's life (i.e. it's a question of saving a life in a medical complication), then I would not consider it abortion in the traditional sense since the intent is to save a life, not take a life. But that would need to be clearly defined in law as an emergency medical case.
 

PoliticalNick

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Again, having sex can always produce a pregnancy. In this day and age everyone knows this. To have sex with the assumption that you won't get pregnant is beyond stupidity.
I beg to differ, I have plenty of sex and rightfully assume we won't have a pregnancy. Of course I have taken the proper medical intervention to ensure that. Ever hear of a vascetomy Gerry? I am 100% guarenteed not to impregnate anyone.
 

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I will respect him the day he returns that respect.
Don't hold your breath. I worked like hell to earn his. What people see out here, is nothing, the man's life would simply amaze you. Not only do I respect him, I'm in awe of him. He's chosen to put the needs of others, usually children, well ahead of his own.

So much for free speech I guess. Now we know why the government controls public hate speech.
It has nothing to do with free speech, you will note that I didn't say you couldn't say it, I said you shouldn't say it, and offered a warning about the laws in Canada. The laws are there to protect individuals from damage, physical or financial. What you said wasn't hate speech, it was very close to defamation and libelous, if Gh were an identifiable person.

I have a deep resect for others opinion. Listening and talking is as much about finding better Idea's and learning, Educating myself, then it is about telling my side of the story, or having a pissing match.
I feel very much the same way, but like I said before, I don't shy away from the latter. I wasn't telling you, you had to like Gh, I was pointing out that what was being said, was not merely flaming, but rather far more ignorant. IMHO. If you want to flame him, feel free, I just wouldn't use that particular string of insult.

Did I go to far?
YA. When I get pissed off I go way over board.
I don't fight often but when I do I fight dirty.
Hey, you don't have to justify dirty tactics to me, I flame the hell outta people myself, when the door is opened.
Did he deserve it?
maybe not, still he should know better then to be a prick in almost every single post he produces. It could turn out someone creates damaging images of his life to explain why hes such a prick. Thats the price of being a dic. People hate you. He dosen't want that to happen? then he can play nice. He's got to take full responcibility for being a a$$hole.
Gh and I both hold PhD's in Assholology.

And If he can't take that responcibility then why should you defend his rudness?
Oh he owns his own responsibility, but he's a respected friend of mine, who is oft misinterpreted.

Thank God I never had to go through a decision like that, but I believe I would have chosen the life of the person I know, over the possible life I don't.
I believe you would have suffered as we did. It's not as easy as deciding to pass on that Doe towing a fawn, when you truly respect life.

So like I said you are placing a higher value on human life than on all other life, that is self-interest and selective.
Of course it is, you can't live without food, without extenuating circumstances, you can live without an abortion.

Only becuase you are willing to kill or have someone else do it for you.
Well ya, food is a necessity, unless there are mitigating circumstances, an abortion isn't.

I said before he was free to do his thing but should have held responsibility for the consequences.
So in other words, not free to do it. Punitive reaction, is to prevent the original act from reoccurring. Thus setting precedent, if you exercise your right to free speech, you will be punished. Ya, nice try. The Westborough baptist asshats, won their appeal for just that type of punitive ruling.
Just poking fun at him. I mean really, 7 kids, pro-life, seems to have issues with how others live their lives. That's textbook catholicism and I can't help poke fun at them.
The reason I defend Gh, is because you don't him in general, but you even know what he's made public about himself. Calling him a textbook Catholic, would be like calling me a textbook Liberal.
 

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Completely irrelevant.... They're unwanted ... As well, the adoption process takes a long time, you aren't likely to adopt an infant immediately after birth.


You really don't have a clue, do you.