A balanced Canadian approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

What policy should Canada adopt regarding Israel?

  • Option 1 in the OP.

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Option 2 in the OP.

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Option 3 in the OP.

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Other answer.

    Votes: 6 46.2%

  • Total voters
    13

ironsides

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Feb 13, 2009
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An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United
Nations Assembly and made the world community smile.

A representative from Israel began: 'Before beginning my talk I want to tell
you something about Moses:

When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, 'What a good
opportunity to have a bath!'

Moses removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water.
When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished.

A Palestinian had stolen them!

The Palestinian representative at the UN jumped up furiously and shouted,
What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't there then.'

The Israeli representative smiled and said, 'And now that we have made that
clear, I will begin my speech...'.
 

earth_as_one

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Can you give another example where someone can sell their home and move to another country and then their descendants can come back 100 generations later, claim their ancestor's old home and toss the current occupants out into the street?
 

Colpy

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Can you give another example where someone can sell their home and move to another country and then their descendants can come back 100 generations later, claim their ancestor's old home and toss the current occupants out into the street?

Ever hear of Caledonia????
 

MHz

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Mar 16, 2007
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The European Holocaust should show anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size that one thousand years of hatred does not just fade away in a generation...........instead, it reaches an inevitable, and bloody climax.
So why should Arabs be taking the shots for the Jews frustration of what Europeans did to them for 1,000's of years. Oh yeah, Israel is the 'money supply' and the Nations are feeding off her teats. LOL even Germans have apparently had enough of the bullship and are circling the wagons if first reports are correct.

And the Europeans did not have the Koran and the Hadith to urge them on in Jew slaughter.........
Older usually means wiser, in your case the mantra is well rooted to your shame. Any idea what that European politician that is questioning the official version is specifically upset about? That same country is part of the NATO forces acting in the Med at the moment.
Thoughts?
 

darkbeaver

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Jan 26, 2006
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[redacted] news: Bravo, Angela! Germany Pulls Out of NATO Operations While Kucinich Calls Obama’s Attack on Libya ‘An Impeachable Offense’Tuesday, March 22, 2011

Bravo, Angela! Germany Pulls Out of NATO Operations While Kucinich Calls Obama’s Attack on Libya ‘An Impeachable Offense’





Breaking: Germany has pulled out of NATO operations due to disagreements over the mission in Libya. To add to that, Germany did the unthinkable: it voted in favor of a UN Security Council resolution calling the Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territory illegal and demanding the immediate halt of all settlement activity. Whoa.

Then, Ms Merkel did something very strange: she ordered the shutdown of Germany’s nuclear reactors.

Curiously, the Japanese, too, have now openly sided with the Palestinians — and they have now have serious problems with runaway nukes. Coincidence? Perhaps. But consider this: The same Israeli company providing “security” to Japan’s reactors is the one that’s also responsible for the nukes in Germany. Reckon that had something to do with why Merkel hurriedly ordered the shut down of German reactors? What does she know? Was Israel’s Stuxnet virus responsible — intentionally or not -- for the Japanese meltdown? Was it unleashed on the Japanese as a warning (albeit one that got out of control) not to mess with God’s chosen people? Is this what Merkel fears could happen in Germany?

Think that’s farfetched? Not when you consider that just yesterday, BOTH engines of Merkel’s immaculately maintained Puma chopper suffered simultaneous flameouts. Is Ms Merkel now suddenly waking up to the fact that the Israelis are stark raving mad and will stop at nothing to get what they want?

I’m inclined to believe Ms Merkel now takes very seriously the words of noted Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld when he openly boasted in an interview last year about Israel’s military capabilities, “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

And van Creveld isn’t exactly chopped liver — he’s lectured at the American Army War College. Replying to a question whether Israel does not have fears of being classified as a criminal state if it expelled Palestinians, van Creveld said,
“Israel is a state that does not care about what others say about it and you must remember the saying of former defense minister Moshe Dayan when he said that ‘Israel must always act as a wild dog because it should be dangerous in the eyes of others, rather than be harmed.’ ...



 

petros

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Right now is the financial and land grab war of WWIII. Next comes WWIX defending and holding the neo-colonial aquisitions of WWIII.

Pax Canadiana
 

Machjo

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Oct 19, 2004
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An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United
Nations Assembly and made the world community smile.

A representative from Israel began: 'Before beginning my talk I want to tell
you something about Moses:

When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, 'What a good
opportunity to have a bath!'

Moses removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water.
When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished.

A Palestinian had stolen them!

The Palestinian representative at the UN jumped up furiously and shouted,
What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't there then.'

The Israeli representative smiled and said, 'And now that we have made that
clear, I will begin my speech...'.

I remember watching a documentary months ago hypothesizing if many Palestinians may in fact have been Jews, based on the fact that, religion and language aside, they share many cultural traits in common with Hebrews that they don't with most other Arabs. If that's the case, then in fact the Palestinians are descendants of those Jews that had never left Israel.

So while Palestinians might not have existed, they would in fact have been the direct inheritors, not those who'd left.
 

ironsides

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Feb 13, 2009
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I remember watching a documentary months ago hypothesizing if many Palestinians may in fact have been Jews, based on the fact that, religion and language aside, they share many cultural traits in common with Hebrews that they don't with most other Arabs. If that's the case, then in fact the Palestinians are descendants of those Jews that had never left Israel.

So while Palestinians might not have existed, they would in fact have been the direct inheritors, not those who'd left.

The Muslims conquered almost everyone in the Mid-East after 632 AD. Most of this was thru conversion to Islam by threat of death and of course conquering territory. You brought up a good point, (Mid-Eastern) Palestinians, Hebrews and Christians all share common traits. If the Palestinians are in fact descended from the Hebrews that were forcibly converted to Islam from Judaism, that premise possibly would give them rights similar to what Israel claims.
 

Machjo

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The Muslims conquered almost everyone in the Mid-East after 632 AD. Most of this was thru conversion to Islam by threat of death and of course conquering territory. You brought up a good point, (Mid-Eastern) Palestinians, Hebrews and Christians all share common traits. If the Palestinians are in fact descended from the Hebrews that were forcibly converted to Islam from Judaism, that premise possibly would give them rights similar to what Israel claims.

Forcibly converted? While it's true that some Muslim states did conquer land in less than ethical ways, and while it's true that they often taxed non-Muslims slightly more than Muslims, they were also known to guarantee freedom of religion for the 'Ahl-al-kitab', including Christians and Jews, and even sometimes financed the construction of churches and synagogues in poorer communities.

So while there may be some truth as far as equal treatment goes, forced conversion is a little rich of a claim.

Islam today has become much more corrupted than in the past. It wasn't quite as bad historically. Islam had become corrupted early, and has since become worse, but let's still try to maintain historical accuracy.