No question about it, the way it was portrayed in the media only gave reason for more of the fringe elements to get involved. If Iran follows rules and allows inspection there should be no problem, if not who knows.
Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet
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Not really, I don't follow the media. I'm merely alerted to stories by the MSM. After that, I go looking for the real story. That is oft very hard to do. Once something hits the MSM, the internet lights up with BS and you have to sift and filter through so much watered down, or rhetoric filled tripe. But the effort is well worth it.
I'm leading towards "not", especially if they send a warship as escort. Which will force Israel to either forcefully board their ship, which could trigger a new conflict, or they'll let them pass unhindered, thus nullifying the legality of their blockade.
As I've said before, Israel should simply lift the blockade, and allow the UN to post a large contingent along the borders, and at all ports.
Israel did that once before and the Arabs just told the UN to get out of the way when war was brewing. Israel just might fall for that ploy again (under world pressure), but if the UN fails them again there will be no stopping them. The UN must guarantee that there will be no more rocket attacks, no more looking the other way while terrorists bomb Israeli cities, the UN must do its job. This road to peace is not all on backs of the Israeli.
Of this, I am aware. But that was a token force, predominantly made up of people sympathetic to Islamic interests.
I agree.
No arguments out of me there. If the UN does patrol the borders, they must use Israel policy and technology to do so. That way there won't be any gaps, where terrorists can sneak through.
Qualifier for the unbelievers.
"Iran is also preparing to dispatch a navy hospital ship for the people of Gaza, which will have onboard doctors, nurses and all the medical equipment required for emergency surgeries and procedures," Adibzadeh further explained. "
Iranian aid ships to set sail for Gaza
I think the reason it falied in the first place is because the UN Security Council is basically the USA and China. Not a lot of Arab countries trust the USA (I'm not sure about China). It's shown itself to be pro-Israeli.
It might be possible that the IDF is in over their heads and used this incident to bolster international support in maintaining the blockade.
Even Obama has stated that it's too much for the IDF to handle on their own.
We'll have to wait and see how things progress. I fully support an international effort in sending aid and helping the IDF inspect incoming vessels and overland trucks.
If that's true, my honest opinion is, they failed.
I hadn't heard that.
Same here. Although I am not sold on the abject suffering of the whole of Palestine, I am more then aware that there is undoubtedly a need for assistance. Palestine is an economic waste land. Where only the well to do and political hacks have the luxury of, well, luxury.
I honestly hope, cooler heads prevail, and a reasonable solution can be achieved. Palestine needs aid, Israel needs to feel secure. Somewhere there is a balance.
International Humanitarian Law - Fourth 1949 Geneva Convention
Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
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Preamble The undersigned Plenipotentiaries of the Governments represented at the Diplomatic Conference held at Geneva from April 21 to August 12, 1949, for the purpose of establishing a Convention for the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, have agreed as follows:
Part I. General Provisions
Article 1. The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances.
Art. 2. In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peace-time, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.
The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance.
Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof.
Art. 3. In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following
provision
Once something hits the MSM it's already bull****. There that;ll save you from going to the internet at all.
They wouldn't board any ship of any nation that was crewed with anything other unarmed civilians, especially a naval vessel..
What borders would those be?
Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
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Preamble The undersigned Plenipotentiaries of the Governments represented at the Diplomatic Conference held at Geneva from April 21 to August 12, 1949, for the purpose of establishing a Convention for the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, have agreed as follows:
Part I. General Provisions
Article 1. The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances.
Art. 2. In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peace-time, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.
The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance.
Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof.
Art. 3. In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following
provision
Once something hits the MSM it's already bull****. There that;ll save you from going to the internet at all.
They wouldn't board any ship of any nation that was crewed with anything other unarmed civilians, especially a naval vessel..
What borders would those be?
Imagine that now Iran sending aid - Never sent any for the Tsunami survivors - but then again they are Infidels -
DB
Let Iran send a naval vessel to Gaza - Guess where you will find it - gathering coral at the bottom of the sea - Israeli's boarded with paint guns for gods sake - they were attacked - Guess what happens - Laws of blockade and self defense. Also one of those ships was bought and paid for by the Turkish Govt and flagged as a diffenert ship - makes a man wonder who the Maestro was - The Turkish PM -
Prove it.
The ship they would be guarding would be the medical ship in the group, do you really think that would be such a good idea. The other ships will be unloading with Egypt doing the inspections. When the goods go through Israel stuff gets stolen, as has been shown by the Mavi Marmara cargo. How many years has that been going on, any of those good returned to the shipping company? (in that no complete list has ever been supplied to anybody) . I wonder which country will offer to rebuild Gaza City's ne dock. German's are quite handy at things like that.
Turkey should have those confessions any day now, lucky for them being with NATO means water-boarding is an approved investigative tool these days. Bad news for whoever killed those Turkish Navy personnel .
Was good for a chuckle but I didn't like the original all that much. I learned a new term today in regards to the video. The "experts" call it "agitprop". I like that word...but it doesn't really roll off the tongue does it....agitprop. A git prop....Yeah, I posted it here.
Those damn Israelis are sure slow sending me my cheque.
Maybe with a texas drawl?
Quite a few days ago. Another real insight to thei mentality.
Israel Apologizes For Circulating Spoof Video Mocking Gaza Flotilla (VIDEO)
However, according to the Guardian, a spokesman for the Israeli government said that the video did reflect most Israelis' view of the incident. "I called my kids in to watch it because I thought it was funny," the spokesman said. "It is what Israelis feel. But the government has nothing to do with it."
The last line would seem to be in conflict with this statement from the same article.
"The Israeli government has apologized after its press office sent out a satirical video mocking the activists involved in the Gaza flotilla following last week's deadly incident."
They are waiting for the drool to stop dripping from you chops. Now that you have used the "D" word there wont be one coming , not that there ever was one. lolYeah, I posted it here.
Those damn Israelis are sure slow sending me my cheque.