B.P.'s Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Thread (it's all here).....

petros

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It has nothing to do with which one is worse. It has everything to do with showing how vast the spill is. I pointed out Nanaimo - and I know that you are one of the people on here familiar with the area - just because Nanaimo is a port so it gives us a better idea how big this "spill" is. I found it quite amazing to see just how huge it is when I put Nanaimo in because as you can see, it would cover much of the Island and the mainland. There is 40 miles of water between here and the mainland.
Consider the size and damage of the spill over just the past month now envision the damage of every well on the planet doing the same for over 120 years but into the atmoshpere. It really puts how bad shape the health of the planet is into perspective.

Greased pelican is a delicasy in many cultures.
You should try the radioactive pelicans in northern Sask. DEEEELISH!
 

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The slick on the bottom is bigger still and might get a lot bigger before the pressure equalizes. It may leak for a thousand years. Free oil is not such a good idea afteral I guess.

Now would be a good time to market back yard refineries. You can process as much as you can shovel off the beach. It will be good for the economy. I think a positive outlook is important , especially since there dosen't seem to be anything else to do about it. How about bird washing machines, their time is here. Opportunity calls' let's get behind the new green hydrocarbon economy.

I have always fancied a tar pit in the front lawn to offset the fish pond. There would be the emissions reduction as well, tar pits don't have to be mowed.
Perhaps they can start filling the gulf with sand, 20,000 years from now they can start Syncrude Phase 1984

A point I brought up a few days ago about the quake in Haiti. The oil reserve is liquid and as such it transmit energy (shock waves) without losing any energy. If the pool started very close to Haiti and the pool was 1500 miles long and it ended near the drilling zones would the pipe and holes not be subject to greater forces than if it was 1500 miles of solid rock?

Greased pelican is a delicasy in many cultures.
Too bad all the best stuff was gone. They would be self-cooking just ignite and eat once the fire goes out. Don't forget to plug your nose for that part of preparing supper.


If it turns out to be just that one pipe why couldn't they use 10,000 tonnes of tarsands material and start building a small mountain over the thing. Sink the whole barge so it lands in the right place. Once 1,000 or so are in place the cracks can be plugged quite easily.
 

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A point I brought up a few days ago about the quake in Haiti. The oil reserve is liquid and as such it transmit energy (shock waves) without losing any energy. If the pool started very close to Haiti and the pool was 1500 miles long and it ended near the drilling zones would the pipe and holes not be subject to greater forces than if it was 1500 miles of solid rock?

That's a very interesting angle to explore.



It looks very favourable for my portable refinery, the oil will be only 20 K from where I am right now sometime later this summer. I have to buy a tanker truck and hire some oil pickers.
 

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Why is an oil slick on the ocean worse than an oil slicking being burned and dispersed through auto and industry into the air you breath?

I think it f**ks up more fish:lol:

Now would be a good time to market back yard refineries. You can process as much as you can shovel off the beach. .[/QUOTE said:
Tar sands work up here - why not down there? :lol:
 

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I'm beginning to wonder if it's such a big deal- I think we've known all along that life on the planet is going to end shortly due to GREEED.
 

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Exactly all the sand is washed off in the water.:lol:
We have to use boiling water to do that, if it can be done with cold sea-water lets switch.
If you have doubts about raw tar-sands material being not the best product start grinding up street asphalt down there and once it is in the barges the trip will make the material form into one chunk. it would be in the barge for life of sink it all and tip the barge upside down to released the cargo. Leaving it in the barges puts up barriers for the oil being able to seep once it is plugged

With all the people sticking their hands in the "Sludge problem" (patent pending) when is somebody finally going to do the 'straw thing' on the land? Don't they watch TV down there. They were given that info twice, first by two of the local boys and they by remembrance of how it was handled in California once. Are they afraid it will work too good?
 
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Ahh yes, I DID read it, but I was leery of the speculative impression I got from it, seeing it elsewhere sort of cemented it in my head a bit better, I certainly wasn't trying to pretend that I found it first, I was more just hoping that there might not be anything to it and seeing it again made it "real" enough to convince me
No worries. I got the impression when I found the link that there were likely more than one or two that leaked oil into their surroundings.

I'd hardly call FNC a reliable source for news. I'm not quite sure that a 9" pipe can spew 2 million gallons in a 24 hr period.
 

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Nation's oldest oyster distributor is oil spill casualty


"We were just hopeful they would have capped that thing by now."

Those are the words of Al Sunserihttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/yn...ns-oldest-oyster-shucking-company/#more-29643, who, along with brother Sal, runs the nation's oldest [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]oyster[/COLOR][/COLOR] distributor, out of New Orleans' French Quarter. Because "that thing" has yet to be capped, the P&J Oyster company laid off 11 full-time workers Thursday and halted its shucking operations for the first time since its founding in 1876.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_bs2543



I'd hardly call FNC a reliable source for news. I'm not quite sure that a 9" pipe can spew 2 million gallons in a 24 hr period.

The original pipe that broke was 24". I don't think they have stopped anything yet. I know they put a cap or something on it, but it is still not sealed over the break, just diverting some oil up another pipe to a tanker.
 

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No worries. I got the impression when I found the link that there were likely more than one or two that leaked oil into their surroundings.

I'd hardly call FNC a reliable source for news. I'm not quite sure that a 9" pipe can spew 2 million gallons in a 24 hr period.

That's about 1400 usgpm...I'd have to look at my Cameron Hydraulics book, but it seems a bit high. Although the pressures are obviously high, too.
 

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A real nightmare scenario.


It will only get very much worse before and if it gets better. The whole capping amelioration theatre has been scripted by those actually responsible for the disaster. BP contols every aspect of the "clean up" and "containment" news is restricted and beeches are off limits and policed by "private contractors" (mercenaries). At least they've shut the hell up about that goddamn con global warming.
 

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"Obama couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it, it was purely republican propaganda from the very beginning."

Spot on. The forum's Republican Obama haters have made one attempt after another to blame Obama for every problem humanity has witnessed since the Fall in the Garden of Eden. But, as always, they have yet to produce a shred of evidence to confirm anything they said about him. And when this is pointed out they abandon the thread.
 

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It will only get very much worse before and if it gets better. The whole capping amelioration theatre has been scripted by those actually responsible for the disaster. BP contols every aspect of the "clean up" and "containment" news is restricted and beeches are off limits and policed by "private contractors" (mercenaries). At least they've shut the hell up about that goddamn con global warming.
If this oil spilling out into the Gulf Stream alters it in any way, global warming won't be an issue anymore. Just wish everyone would stop playing the blame game and stay focused on solving the problem.
 

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Gopher, could you give us an approximate date when Obama and his lackeys will stop to blame Bush and Cheney?

Sometime after Junior and his lackeys admit that their incestuous relationship with big oil caused the lack of regulation that allowed Broken Pipeline to drill in an unsafe manner, murdering eleven workers and untold thousands of wildlife because of their greed.
 
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AnnaG

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Nation's oldest oyster distributor is oil spill casualty


"We were just hopeful they would have capped that thing by now."

Those are the words of Al Sunseri, who, along with brother Sal, runs the nation's oldest [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]oyster[/COLOR][/COLOR] distributor, out of New Orleans' French Quarter. Because "that thing" has yet to be capped, the P&J Oyster company laid off 11 full-time workers Thursday and halted its shucking operations for the first time since its founding in 1876.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_bs2543

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/deepwaterhorizon/7047151.html
The original pipe that broke was 24". I don't think they have stopped anything yet. I know they put a cap or something on it, but it is still not sealed over the break, just diverting some oil up another pipe to a tanker.
24" I didn't see that in anything I read and I did find a link that said the pipe was only 9". I looked because Stretch said it was a 5' diameter pipe and I didn't believe that.
Now I find a link that says it is 20" inner diameter, which is more believable as emitting 2 million bbls/day:

Answering the Deepwater Horizon Oil Pipe Size Question | Brendan Demelle

But the latest estimate is only 1.7 million bbls/day:

Anger rises along with spill size estimate | Deepwater Horizon | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle


That's about 1400 usgpm...I'd have to look at my Cameron Hydraulics book, but it seems a bit high. Although the pressures are obviously high, too.
Yeah. What I know about pipe flow is that there is a maximum flow depending upon size, pressure, and what the materials' characteristics are. Les has books about water flow and pumps and stuff. I'm not sure about what the pressure behind the flow is nor what pressure the ocean has against the flow at that depth either.

If this oil spilling out into the Gulf Stream alters it in any way, global warming won't be an issue anymore. Just wish everyone would stop playing the blame game and stay focused on solving the problem.
*shrugs* Pollution is pollution. This bit of pollution is stoppable. We are still polluting at a fantastic rate, with or without the gulf spew. And we are still contributing to the rate of warming.