Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

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An al-jazeera video good photography and they are known for slanting and propagandize the news.

Maybe one day they will bring themselves up to the standards Fox news uses

are you trying to be funny?

You guys really need to start thinking for yourselves, instead of lapping up the crap offered you by Islamists, Jew haters, and idiots.

that's really funny coming from a guy who reads extremely bias books (written by israeli ambassadors) to form his opinions
 

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Malnutrition isn't about quantity. Its about meeting dietary requirements. If you eat nothing but rice and water, eventually you will get sick and die.

What Israel does is a cruel crime against humanity.
December 2008 Statement by the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights on Palestinian territories:
ReliefWeb » Document » oPt/Gaza: Silence is not an option

When hamas stops firing rockets into Israel then relations will improve
 

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I never said Palestinian health care was utopian.......but Israel STILL treats Palestinians, although now they do it for free, asthe PA won't pay for the health of its own citizens........
I comes out of the taxes paid by palestine.
 
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I hear the ships were unloaded and the humanitarian aid was loaded onto trucks and was driven to the border but the hamas government won't let the all important supplies into Gaza proving once again that they are using their citizens as human shields and are willing to let them starve to death so they can blame Israel.

I can't account for the lips you let touch your ears.
 
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How odd that everybody who dislikes their wanton use of their military is a terrorist.

It is when your heroes make war on children and use their own innocents as cannon fodder.


The full cost to both sides is not yet tallied up.

Yeah, well the costs are much higher for the bigots at this point. No doubt those costs will rise as the wounded reassess the consequences of their own stupidity.


Unlike 33 Nations stealing land and then refusing to help those it promised to. Why not just call it another Indian war and total elimination as a people is the only goal worth achieving. Doesn't make us noble but at least it is being honest about what was in store for the Arab residents of Palestine.


Oh, so that justifies the genocidal program and policies forwarded by Hamas et al.... Thanks for the clarity on that. Perhaps you can point to the UN resolution that supports the proposed Hamas genocide plans.


If Israel would quit maiming people there would be less demand for them.

Agreed. They should have employed the same practices that their law enforcement applies - don't shoot to maim.


They used to have their own power stations and a lot of other things that the 'good neighbors' destroyed as part of their genocidal collective punishment policy. I wonder how many Nazis that the US saved ended up being 'advisors' to Israel.

... But they don't have the $$, the expertise or the wherewithal to rebuild them, eh?

Yeah, what an advanced and stable community.


They should be brown from the amount of shyte that comes out of your mouth.

But they're not.... You on the other hand, well, you don't have an argument - that's clear - so you resort to fabrications and personal attacks.... Sounds identical to the way your Hamas buddies need to act and embellish.

Interesting, ain't it?


Jews are insisting that all Muslims be eliminated for the good of the Jewish people, backed by 50 million American Evangelicals.

Got a link?

.. I didn't think so - just more of your bizarre fantasies that you need to substaitiate a non-existant position.


Why, you support the right of the Canada to determine who should be in power in foreign lands while insisting on 'independence' is what we claim even though we are noting but a lap-dog for Israel and the US.

But it's OK for Iran to do just that?


no moves on your part to curb Canadians going to the far-east so they can have sex with children, seen any Government or religious pedophiles sent to prison in Canada lately, say 1 year. How many on the current court docket? Are there even any? Trying to stop this practice makes one a 'sicko' eh. Well FU

Oh, I see...

So, the advent of a tiny number of North Americans that participate in sex tourism in Asia jsutify's the wholesale abuse of boys and girls in Palestine?... Practices that are no where near the same cultural taboos as in Canada (hence the child protection laws in Canada).

On that note, how many similar cases are on the docket in palestine?... Oh, that's right. It isn't really enforced is it? Then again, if the complaintant does come forward, the victim can look forward to being stoned or beaten to death.



The training starts when you have little children sign bombs

.... Or have terrorism pagents that the wee ones are expected to participate in... Recall the wonderful youtube vids of such?




They used it to kill women and kids. Being such a fine supporter of the rule of law when will you add support to the US Law that forbids the US from shipping weapons to any Nation that will not sign the NPT and allows inspections of their nuclear facilities. It's there and not being enforced or considered to be a law since the US and Israel 'wish' it wasn't, yet they have the nerve to demand obedience to established laws from everybody else in the world. That means the US and Israel are not law abiding Nations so why should they be dictating policy to anybody?


All this sh*t you post still does not absolve your buddies. Further, any arms/munitions sold are not transported underthe guise of "humanitarian aid"... That massive hypocrisy is reserved for your ilk.


I would be quite sure there are things being discussed that will have far reaching consequences.


Do ya think!?!.... Armed conflict sometimes has that effect.



Somewhat, once the pre-emptive strike on the Egyptian air ports was complete they headed north but they had to first kill all the Egyptian troops that were under a white flag in the Sinai. Unfortunately for the Liberty, they overheard some pilots complain that the Egyptians had surrendered. Can't let that out so Prez. Johnson gave them permission to sink the ship with all hands on board. Should we cover the attacks on the UN facilities next?

Good strategy wasn't it? The Israelis beat the odds and vanquished their foe.
 

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It is when your heroes make war on children and use their own innocents as cannon fodder.
My heroes used to be most of the 33 nations that voted for the UN181, as to their performance in making that document valid, it is a total washout. As it stands Canada bailed on every promise made to the Arab population and everything humanly possible to cater to every wish the Rothschild clan demanded that we do for their new country.
Yeah, well the costs are much higher for the bigots at this point. No doubt those costs will rise as the wounded reassess the consequences of their own stupidity.
Like you say, at this point. With the US and all the other observant Nations, like us, that stand by while events of the last 70 years carry on indefinitely just makes us more like them, a quality we used used to despise in some cases, now we are our own enemy as far as human rights go. Don't forget we are two words away from being just like Gaza, it is called Military occupation and a PM only has to say the words and it become law.

Oh, so that justifies the genocidal program and policies forwarded by Hamas et al.... Thanks for the clarity on that. Perhaps you can point to the UN resolution that supports the proposed Hamas genocide plans.
Like I said before, the genocide against the Native Arab population stared 40 years before Hamas was elected as the Government.

Agreed. They should have employed the same practices that their law enforcement applies - don't shoot to maim.
What a good camp attendant you would make.

... But they don't have the $$, the expertise or the wherewithal to rebuild them, eh?
Letting Arafat's widow plunder money was an Israeli/Us undertaking, that is how Hamas got into power.

Yeah, what an advanced and stable community.
Want to compare some old photo's/stories of our early Reservations. Not much different, the conquerors also turned out to not have an honest bone in their body. A trait we seem to have kept intact.

But they're not.... You on the other hand, well, you don't have an argument - that's clear - so you resort to fabrications and personal attacks.... Sounds identical to the way your Hamas buddies need to act and embellish.
A few post back you were calling me a terrorist so really if you feel offended too bad, whinny little bitch.

Interesting, ain't it?
Not really, such a steady stream of shyte though.

Got a link?

.. I didn't think so - just more of your bizarre fantasies that you need to substaitiate a non-existant position.
http://wwwstatic.megavideo.com/mv_p...9d4dc40529052918fa5b3a021ff4af.jpg&v=ZG2SJ963

But it's OK for Iran to do just that?
The US is still pissed at Iran for slapping their peepee 31 years ago had they treated them with the same respect they desire they would still be there making a limited amount of money, gtreed made then desire the whole thing and the people caught on and expelled them. Unlike the crooked Governments of the West with all their closed door meeting which is held in secret so even their own citizens are used and abused and kept in the dark as much as possible.

Oh, I see...

So, the advent of a tiny number of North Americans that participate in sex tourism in Asia jsutify's the wholesale abuse of boys and girls in Palestine?... Practices that are no where near the same cultural taboos as in Canada (hence the child protection laws in Canada).
The 600 that were abused by the Israeli military is what you mean, link already provided, no comments on how evil 12 year olds are?

On that note, how many similar cases are on the docket in palestine?... Oh, that's right. It isn't really enforced is it? Then again, if the complaintant does come forward, the victim can look forward to being stoned or beaten to death.
You mean Israel right, they cleared up all 600 complaints, 0 charges, big surprise. The US prisons in Afghanistan and Iraq carry the same policy towards children with execution also on the table, especially effective when done in front of the parents, winning the heats and minds of the world at large.

.... Or have terrorism pagents that the wee ones are expected to participate in... Recall the wonderful youtube vids of such?
Actually I missed that one, is it from the same site that was promoting a song about the killings in the flotilla? Classy Israel, real classy.


All this sh*t you post still does not absolve your buddies. Further, any arms/munitions sold are not transported underthe guise of "humanitarian aid"... That massive hypocrisy is reserved for your ilk.
There you go with the insults, pot-kettle-black.

Do ya think!?!.... Armed conflict sometimes has that effect.
Israel has been c9ounting on no reaction from the world, things have changed since the slaughter of 1400 people kept in a confined space so they could not hide.

Good strategy wasn't it? The Israelis beat the odds and vanquished their foe.
When you have to hide your tracks you are the problem, not the solution. Where is you loyalty to the crew of the Liberty?


So an attack happens from the place mentioned below yet the retaliation was in different cities. ??? With Afghanistan wide open to actually killing somebody al-Qaida decides to sneak into Gaza to fire off a rocket that is less explosive than a RPG into the empty desert. Good thing they were killed, pretty inefficient terrorists. The article was probably the whole investigation

"A radical Islamic armed group on Friday claimed responsibility for firing a homemade rocket from the Gaza Strip at southern Israeli town of Ashkelon."

"Hamas security sources said that the Israeli warplanes raided targets in the town of Beit Hanoun, in northern Gaza and the city of Khan Younis, in southern Gaza."
 

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Wow... I didn't think it was possible, but you have deflected, denied and (attempted to) divert the entire conversation on every single exchange.

For the sake of summarizing your base tenets as they apply to this issue; You're basically saying that because someone, somewhere at some indeterminable period of time did something bad, this is justification for Hamas' bigotry, genocidal policies/actions, lies, deceit, indirect execution of their own women/children and child sexual abuse.

Is that about right?
 

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Wow... I didn't think it was possible, but you have deflected, denied and (attempted to) divert the entire conversation on every single exchange.

For the sake of summarizing your base tenets as they apply to this issue; You're basically saying that because someone, somewhere at some indeterminable period of time did something bad, this is justification for Hamas' bigotry, genocidal policies/actions, lies, deceit, indirect execution of their own women/children and child sexual abuse.

Is that about right?
Not even close, Go back to 1880 and Lord Rothschild kicking in the finances that made the creation of Israel possible.
As to why the Jews were, and are. so callus about the lives of others (while their own lives are worth many of any Gentile, including you. Patty Hurst went from a rich kid to a common bank robber and murder. I think that is called the Stockholm Syndrome. Try and apply that to Jews after WWII, most of the new arrivals were terrorized in WWII (as were all civilians in Europe) but picking up and using the same weapons and tactic that were used against them in Europe was adopted by them with hardly any changes. Normally (if there is such a thing anymore) an abused person should shy away from what was causing them pain, that isn't the most common outcome. People mimic what they see as authority once they are in a position that gives them authority. Our own society is in a struggle with itself to eliminated that carry-over in our family circles. A child raised in an abusive environment s more likely to become an abusive parent than being able to drop the instinctive reaction that he experienced while growing up. The intentions of the West might have been noble (if not for the Rothschild part) and giving them a few weapons should have made them feel safe. Obviously it went the other way. Letting them kill all their 'imagined enemies' will not solve anything. Iran and Iraq became the enemy once the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank were herded together (in a likeness or concentration camps) they could be 'subdued' because once a certain stage of hunger is reached the people become docile even when being brutalized. Those 7 million daeths in the Ukaraine was made possible only because they were so weak from hunger fight for survival was an instinct that was totally suppressed, they would just sit and wait to die.
All those descriptive words you used to describe Hamas also applies to the Jews who initially settled in their new home. When Hamas was first elected into power it was a population that had been under a brutal military occupation for 20 years and the 20 years before that were not much better for them, or the 20 years before that even as the settlement process was ongoing from about 1920. Beat soomebody enough and they will fight back, winning doesn't matter, they know thhey cannot win but they have enough of a will that the Palestinians will not lay down and die willingly. That part doesnt bother the leaders of Israel, kill em all if even one stone is tossed in their direction. So really I am not a Jew-hater, if any of us two hates somebody it is you and it is more than annoyance IMO (which means nothing to anybody but me).
Solution, heavily nuke all of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza all at the very same time, problem solved. Did I mention the nukes would be EMP bursts so the whole area came to a standstill where the only modern convenience that still worked is a Bic lighter. Then rush in with some useful supplies that are actually helpful items, and try to do it right this time, if that doesn't work toss a coin, winner get the land and the loser gets the Sinai and 7T to fix things up.

Summed up enough for you? Here is a link that has a theory on how starvation works, not too far into the program.
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=9N9W7JUY
 
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Not even close, Go back to 1880 and Lord Rothschild kicking in the finances that made the creation of Israel possible.
As to why the Jews were, and are. so callus about the lives of others (while their own lives are worth many of any Gentile, including you. Patty Hurst went from a rich kid to a common bank robber and murder. I think that is called the Stockholm Syndrome. Try and apply that to Jews after WWII, most of the new arrivals were terrorized in WWII (as were all civilians in Europe) but picking up and using the same weapons and tactic that were used against them in Europe was adopted by them with hardly any changes. Normally (if there is such a thing anymore) an abused person should shy away from what was causing them pain, that isn't the most common outcome. People mimic what they see as authority once they are in a position that gives them authority. Our own society is in a struggle with itself to eliminated that carry-over in our family circles. A child raised in an abusive environment s more likely to become an abusive parent than being able to drop the instinctive reaction that he experienced while growing up. The intentions of the West might have been noble (if not for the Rothschild part) and giving them a few weapons should have made them feel safe. Obviously it went the other way. Letting them kill all their 'imagined enemies' will not solve anything. Iran and Iraq became the enemy once the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank were herded together (in a likeness or concentration camps) they could be 'subdued' because once a certain stage of hunger is reached the people become docile even when being brutalized. Those 7 million daeths in the Ukaraine was made possible only because they were so weak from hunger fight for survival was an instinct that was totally suppressed, they would just sit and wait to die.
All those descriptive words you used to describe Hamas also applies to the Jews who initially settled in their new home. When Hamas was first elected into power it was a population that had been under a brutal military occupation for 20 years and the 20 years before that were not much better for them, or the 20 years before that even as the settlement process was ongoing from about 1920. Beat soomebody enough and they will fight back, winning doesn't matter, they know thhey cannot win but they have enough of a will that the Palestinians will not lay down and die willingly. That part doesnt bother the leaders of Israel, kill em all if even one stone is tossed in their direction. So really I am not a Jew-hater, if any of us two hates somebody it is you and it is more than annoyance IMO (which means nothing to anybody but me).
Solution, heavily nuke all of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza all at the very same time, problem solved. Did I mention the nukes would be EMP bursts so the whole area came to a standstill where the only modern convenience that still worked is a Bic lighter. Then rush in with some useful supplies that are actually helpful items, and try to do it right this time, if that doesn't work toss a coin, winner get the land and the loser gets the Sinai and 7T to fix things up.

Summed up enough for you?
Only within the bounds of 1948 Palestine? My but you ARE the selective one aren't you.
 

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that's really funny coming from a guy who reads extremely bias books (written by israeli ambassadors) to form his opinions

Michael B. Oren happens to be a scholar and historian, with a PhD from in History from Princeton University......he is respected enough on both sides of the ocean to be trusted by successive Israeli governments with their most important relationship......as ambassador to the USA.

You don't get better credentials than that.

And you have no idea what I read. I am currently in the middle of Trotsky, by Robert Service....hardly a right wing hero, Mr. Bronstein.

So tell, as you have the gall to challenge my sources, where do you get your info. and whose opinion do you read?????
 

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Only within the bounds of 1948 Palestine? My but you ARE the selective one aren't you.
Do you really want to cover there history since God gave them the boot? Notice that the Rothschild clan did not move to Israel, they stayed in Europe and had front-men buy land for them, land that they later sold to the Jews at a profit. lol

The rich of the Jews (which Rothschild and their partners are) never suffered any hardships, they left that for the majority of their 'brothers'. They are sort of like a Jewish gangster, normal Jews might glance sideways at them but if they have any problems with the Gentiles that is who they run to first. Britain kicked them out for 350 years, not long after shuffling off to France they got kicked out again. Colpy probably has all the dates and such memorized, if that matters really.
 

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Do you really want to cover there history since God gave them the boot? Notice that the Rothschild clan did not move to Israel, they stayed in Europe and had front-men buy land for them, land that they later sold to the Jews at a profit. lol

The rich of the Jews (which Rothschild and their partners are) never suffered any hardships, they left that for the majority of their 'brothers'. They are sort of like a Jewish gangster, normal Jews might glance sideways at them but if they have any problems with the Gentiles that is who they run to first. Britain kicked them out for 350 years, not long after shuffling off to France they got kicked out again. Colpy probably has all the dates and such memorized, if that matters really.
No.... I say a bigger bomb gives better coverage - just not a nuke. More sensible management may want to take over. What happened to those Russian concussion things?
 

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Canada has categorized Hamas a Terrorist organization. As a Canadian citizen, I am patriotic to my country and therefore Hamas is my enemy. Anyone who provides support to my enemy gets no sympathy from me. All ships providing aid to an area governed by terrorists need to be stopped and searched for weapons, no exceptions. The folks in the Gaza area that voted for the terrorist government surely must know how to fend for themselves, otherwise they wouldn't jeopardize their well being knowing that there ain't no way in hell that we will allow ships to enter their area without being searched. I repeat, I have no sympathy for anyone bringing aid to an area governed by terrorists.

 

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Michael B. Oren happens to be a scholar and historian, with a PhD from in History from Princeton University......he is respected enough on both sides of the ocean to be trusted by successive Israeli governments with their most important relationship......as ambassador to the USA.

You don't get better credentials than that.


lmfao, admits reading bias trash and forming opinions from it. :lol:

Canada has categorized Hamas a Terrorist organization. As a Canadian citizen, I am patriotic to my country and therefore Hamas is my enemy. Anyone who provides support to my enemy gets no sympathy from me. All ships providing aid to an area governed by terrorists need to be stopped and searched for weapons, no exceptions. The folks in the Gaza area that voted for the terrorist government surely must know how to fend for themselves, otherwise they wouldn't jeopardize their well being knowing that there ain't no way in hell that we will allow ships to enter their area without being searched. I repeat, I have no sympathy for anyone bringing aid to an area governed by terrorists.



horrible post.
ooh ya let's just blindly follow our government
 

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No.... I say a bigger bomb gives better coverage - just not a nuke. More sensible management may want to take over. What happened to those Russian concussion things?
I was thinking pretty big since they don't harm flesh that I know of but it would have to penetrate bunkers and hardened sites. the smaller ones could be used whenever movement is faster that the guys who work in a cheese factory (I hope you saw the commercial of "Where's the fire, Mister"). The smaller ones could be used to keep thing moving at a slow pace, couple of years down the road repair all the damaged parts minus the fuking war machines for both sides, take up sports instead.
 

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Do you really want to cover there history since God gave them the boot? Notice that the Rothschild clan did not move to Israel, they stayed in Europe and had front-men buy land for them, land that they later sold to the Jews at a profit. lol

The rich of the Jews (which Rothschild and their partners are) never suffered any hardships, they left that for the majority of their 'brothers'. They are sort of like a Jewish gangster, normal Jews might glance sideways at them but if they have any problems with the Gentiles that is who they run to first. Britain kicked them out for 350 years, not long after shuffling off to France they got kicked out again. Colpy probably has all the dates and such memorized, if that matters really.
Here ya go learn from the greatest financial family the world has ever known.

Rothschild
 

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Canada has categorized Hamas a Terrorist organization. As a Canadian citizen, I am patriotic to my country and therefore Hamas is my enemy. Anyone who provides support to my enemy gets no sympathy from me. All ships providing aid to an area governed by terrorists need to be stopped and searched for weapons, no exceptions. The folks in the Gaza area that voted for the terrorist government surely must know how to fend for themselves, otherwise they wouldn't jeopardize their well being knowing that there ain't no way in hell that we will allow ships to enter their area without being searched. I repeat, I have no sympathy for anyone bringing aid to an area governed by terrorists.


As a Canadian I can tell you to go fuk yourself, Canada can declare somebody a terrorist when they start messing with our people or our land. How many times has Hamas attacked Canada? Zero How many Canadian Peacekeepers has Israel killed, more than necessary, they are more of a danger to us than Hamas. Why fuk around, toss our Maple Leaf in the ditch and start flying the Star of David.
For the more serious in the crowd (I can't believe I would even use that saying on this thread) once somebody is on that list (that only certain people can add names to) how do they get off it?

Let Hamas take their grievances to the world Court, that is part of the reason it even exists. According to UN181 Palestine became a separate Nation no later than Oct1. 1948. We are all terrorists for ignoring that fact because as a Nation she could be sitting member of the UN instead of this no-mans land she is presently in. They can drag all 33 countries through the courts for a class action submit that would net them so much money they would need two computer to tally the total up. That is what happens when you mess up in a civilezed nation, you get you ass sued off and once is usually enough unless the person is a total loser, then you toss him in the clink and toss the keys away.
We declared Hamas a terrorist organization because Israel and the Us told us to, simple as that. We should be giving that label to the US for the illegal invasion of Iraq, they cause a lot more **** in then world than an 10 valid terrorist organizations could cause. 2 nations out of all the ones in the world have the ability to classify somebody as a threat. No wonder they both are losing friends left, right and center.