Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

[CDNBear]

we're talking about the relationship they have today, not decades ago.

People who ignore history are bound to repeat it.

It is spot on topic bud and you know full well or else your are claiming that Israeli and US intelligence really really really dropped the ball.

Without proof, it is conjecture and speculation. It's well within the realm of possibility, but then again, so is Colpy's post on finding spent rounds, not from Israeli weapons.

So which is it petros, all plausible speculation is acceptable, or just yours?

Which is it?

Irrelevant. As I have said already.

No matter what was on board, as the law states, they had to be stopped, the load inspected. If Israel allowed the ships through without question, they would have voided the blockade.

Again, the law is quite clear. Look it up, or just read Mhz' post on page 22.

If law is what you stand by, show me the law that gives someone the right to kill.

From Mhz' post...

CAN ISRAEL USE FORCE WHEN INTERCEPTING SHIPS?
Under international law it can use force when boarding a ship.

The whole post is on page 22.

 

[MHz]

From Mhz' post...

Aren't you supposed to give the 'credit' to the one who wrote the article? Rubbing this in my face is not unexpected ,even after I adopted what the article pointed out, just part of what fuktards do on a regular basis. How predictable you are and that is somewhat sad for the ones that have to live with you.

No comment on Israel being a 'rouge Nation with facilities it refused to open for inspection while bitching and whining about inspection of a Nation that is within the legal guidelines.

US aid to Israel violates US laws

US aid to Israel, and the way in which this aid is used, frequently violates US law, policy and interests.

Under US policy, financial aid to Israel should not be spent by Israel in the Occupied Territories. But Israel spends US aid with impunity.

The US has a number of laws regulating foreign military aid and weapons’ exports. The 1961 Foreign Assistance Act (FAA) states that “No assistance [ought to be given] to countries that violate human rights”. But Israel systematically violates human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

The 1976 US Arms Export Control Act (AECA) states that “Weapons purchased from the US should only be used for legitimate self-defense”. But since September 2000 the Israeli military has killed more than 3,354 Palestinian civilians (as of 8 August 2007).


The NPT also plays into Israel receiving military aid from anybody until she sign the NPT

Each year Israel receives billions in funding from the U.S. Israel would not exist today if it had not been for U.S. aid given over the last 60 years. In 2007 the United States government agreed to provide Israel with $30 billion in military aid over the next decade. The transfer of this aid to Israel actually violates U.S. law. But don’t expect U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to seek any arrest warrants against President Barack Obama and other U.S. officials.



In 1976 Congress passed the Symington Amendment. The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended by the Symington Amendment and the Glenn Amendment of 1977, prohibits U.S. military assistance to nations that acquire or transfer nuclear reprocessing technology outside of international nonproliferation regimes, such as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Israel has refused to sign the NPT and for very good reason – it would be in breach of the treaty as it is a nuclear weapons power.

http://www.worldcantwait.net/index....e/5521-israeli-nukes-not-according-to-the-us-

 

[petros]

Bear.

Hide behind that all you want but we all know Israel ****ed up in huge way that makes their "legal claims" highly suspect and they have lost a sizable chunk or credibility and trustworthiness and shows they completely incapable of handling this alleged blockade without international supervision.

Law aside this is something they really need to hang their heads in shame over and deserve all the ridicule they are receiving.

 

[CDNBear]

Aren't you supposed to give the 'credit' to the one who wrote the article. Rubbing this in my face is not unexpected even after I adopted what the article pointed out, just part of what fuktards do on a regular basis, how predictable you are and that is somewhat sad for the ones that have to live with you.

I understand how frustrated you must be, after losing the debate, by your own handiwork no less. But that is no excuse to bring my family into the conversation, and only shows the complete lack of character you posses. Not that there was much question, given your steadfast denial of reality.

I gave credit to the member who posted the article, your post contains the accreditation.

Bear.

Hide behind that all you want but we all know Israel ****ed up in huge way...

If you think so, and you are free to your opinion. But if you noted, I have been argiung the legality of it, not the morality of it. If you want to discuss the morality of, my opinion is different.

...that makes their "legal claims" highly suspect ...

Their claims? Many legal professors have already been quoted, explaining the legality of it. It is well beyond just the mere opinion of Israel, as to the legality of their actions.

...and they have lost a sizable chunk or credibility and trustworthiness and shows they completely incapable of handling this alleged blockade without international supervision.

And what international body should supervise it? The Muslim infested UN?

Law aside this is something they really need to hang their heads in shame over and deserve all the ridicule they are receiving.

Fair enough, I can respect that opinion.

 

[darkbeaver]

It's quite plain that we have posters here who believe that starvation of captive civilians is legal. It's plain also that executions anywhere including the high seas is legal. It is illegal to render humanitarian aid. Where will our humanitarians come from now that it's illegal? When will religions stop exercising legalities to justify crimes against humanity?

 

[petros]

If you think so, and you are free to your opinion. But if you noted, I have been argiung the legality of it, not the morality of it. If you want to discuss the morality of, my opinion is different.

So have I. Thanks for reading my posts all along.

 

[CDNBear]

When will religions stop exercising legalities to justify crimes against humanity?

Good question, when will you ask Hamas this question?

 

[earth_as_one]

First of all, I might actually consider booting out the morons that run my country for the sole purpose of firing missiles at my neighbour.

Secondly....SHOW ME starving Palestinians. I mean, we get news reports of starvation from all over the world, horrible pictures of listless emaciated adults, children with protruding stomachs, the dead laying by the roadside........when I see Palestinians, they appear energetic, reasonably well-fed, healthy........I mean OVER a million tons of food aid has passed through Israel into Gaza in the past 18 months.......

Economic disaster in Gaza is a fact.

Starvation in Gaza is a lie....pure propaganda.



Third......I agree that there are some problems with the delivery of health services in Gaza.........sometimes people die before they get the treatment they are offered...in ISRAEL! Only the Israelis would treat their enemies for free in their hospitals.....and get pounded for not doing it enough!!!!8O

Quit drinking the purple kool-aid, and look around.

Not all Gazans experience starvation. Some probably have, but most Gazans do suffer some degree of malnutrition and do suffer cruelly as a result of ongoing Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Its a fact that many malnourished Gaza children have stunted growth and developmental problems. People have died of easily treated diseases exacerbated by malnutrition, shortages of medicine and medical services and inadequate shelter. Israel denies 40% of all applications to leave Gaza for medical treatment. Many people die from lack of medical care or waiting for their applications to be approved.

2007 News Report
Half of Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza malnourished - Middle East, World - The Independent

June 2010 Poll
Poll: 10% of Palestinian children have lasting malnutrition effects - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Few western news sources give accurate information regarding this conflict. Instead our news is guilty of minimizing and/or ignoring the suffering, while parroting Israeli propaganda and twisting facts. We are being deceived regarding Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Its easy to spot the propaganda. Its everywhere. The next time you read a story about Israel and the plight of the Gaza people, consider who they quote. Western news usually just reference Israeli opinions or pro-Israeli sources. They rarely reference Palestinian opinions or pro-Palestinian sources . Most Canadians hear one side of the story, most of the time. Right now, some limited information about Israel's ongoing crimes against humanity is making it on to our news.

This news clip accurately summarizes the current state of the ongoing Gaza humanitarian catastrophe:

YouTube - Israel's Gaza PR offensive

I am aware of the source. From my research, I judge the information to be relatively accurate as per every report I've read from international humanitarian organizations which have investigated Israel's record regarding non-Jews who have the misfortune of living on what is now Israel and the occupied territories.

Here is a summary of Amnesty International's annual report regarding Israel and the Occupied Territories which supports the statements made in the above news clip:

Amnesty International 2010 Annual Report
Israel and the Occupied Territories:
http://thereport.amnesty.org/sites/default/files/AIR2010_AZ_EN.pdf

Another good source of information about this conflict not reported by western media is the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict as submitted by Justice Richard Goldstone and his team:
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/FactFindingMission.htm

If you want to see how the suffering, injustice, oppression, war crimes and crimes against humanity suffered by the Palestinian people has progressed over the last few years, here are previous AI Annual Reports:

2008
Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories | Amnesty International Report 2009

2007
Amnesty International Report 2008 •

2006
Amnesty International Report 2007 • Israel and the Occupied Territories

and so on.

Anyone who supports what Israeli does to these people is either willfully ignorant or callous. Shame on anyone who support Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity...

 

[CDNBear]

So have I.

No you haven't, but that's OK, I know how you work, lol.

Thanks for reading my posts all along.

You're welcome...

Not all Gazans experience starvation.....

Here's th ethread you're looking for too...

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/members-lounge/92349-off-topic-all-time.html

On that note, I'm going catfishin', have a great day folks...

 

[darkbeaver]

Remembering history is a powerful thing contriving history is a powerful thing as well. This is a battle between histories contrived and histories remembered. You know what they say about truth eh.

Good question, when will you ask Hamas this question?

As soon as they encircle Israel with a wall.

 

[clutch]

YouTube - Israel's Gaza PR offensive

very good video

 

[Colpy]

As far as I know, it takes less that 3 years for people to starve........and more than 3 days for people to recover from starvation. I said ISRAEL lets in 2000 tonnes of aid PER DAY. Obviously, as there is no starvation in Gaza.

I never said Palestinian health care was utopian.......but Israel STILL treats Palestinians, although now they do it for free, asthe PA won't pay for the health of its own citizens........

Yeah, I read the case of the girl, a tragedy, she got caught up in red tape.

But how many aren't unfortunate, and are treated in Israel???? LOTS, including the daughter of a Hamas leader, in April........

no they don't.

Sorry.

Yes, they do.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Governmen...itarian_aid_Gaza_after_IDF_operation_Jan_2009


CIC Scene Facts Beyond the Spin: Israel Delivers Massive Aid to Gaza

Israel's Aid to Gaza: 'No PA Arab Denied Medical Care' - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News

BTW, please note Hamas has used medical permits for entry to attack Israel more than 20 times since 2005.......

 

[clutch]

watch the video. no they don't.

 

[Colpy]

watch the video. no they don't.

I just did, and they don't even deny it....4kg, per person, per week. That is more than 2000 tonnes a week.

They say they aren't sending the Gazans a balanced diet!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!

 

[Liberalman]

It's quite plain that we have posters here who believe that starvation of captive civilians is legal. It's plain also that executions anywhere including the high seas is legal. It is illegal to render humanitarian aid. Where will our humanitarians come from now that it's illegal? When will religions stop exercising legalities to justify crimes against humanity?

I hear the ships were unloaded and the humanitarian aid was loaded onto trucks and was driven to the border but the hamas government won't let the all important supplies into Gaza proving once again that they are using their citizens as human shields and are willing to let them starve to death so they can blame Israel.

 

[Colpy]

I'm beginning to get really amused by this.........

The claims of the anti-Israel crowd..

Israelis shot peaceful protesters!!

No.....they didn't. Proven.

The blockade and boarding was illegal!!!!

No, it wasn't Proven.

The Israelis are starving Gaza into submission!

No, they aren't. Proven.

Gaza is without medical care!!!!

No, it isn't. Proven.

Next silly accusation?????

You guys really need to start thinking for yourselves, instead of lapping up the crap offered you by Islamists, Jew haters, and idiots.

 

[MHz]

I understand how frustrated you must be, after losing the debate, by your own handiwork no less. But that is no excuse to bring my family into the conversation, and only shows the complete lack of character you posses. Not that there was much question, given your steadfast denial of reality.

Not that big of a deal really, not like there have been 100's of aid ships being boarded.
I hope for your families sake that you are only a fuktard on the board where some have to live with you.

I hear the ships were unloaded and the humanitarian aid was loaded onto trucks and was driven to the border but the hamas government won't let the all important supplies into Gaza proving once again that they are using their citizens as human shields and are willing to let them starve to death so they can blame Israel.

Got a link, preferbably the one from the jpost.

 

[Liberalman]

very good video

An al-jazeera video good photography and they are known for slanting and propagandize the news.

Maybe one day they will bring themselves up to the standards Fox news uses

 

[MHz]

An al-jazeera video good photography and they are known for slanting and propagandize the news.

Maybe one day they will bring themselves up to the standards Fox news uses

You mean all fluff and no content?

 

[earth_as_one]

I just did, and they don't even deny it....4kg, per person, per week. That is more than 2000 tonnes a week.

They say they aren't sending the Gazans a balanced diet!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!

Malnutrition isn't about quantity. Its about meeting dietary requirements. If you eat nothing but rice and water, eventually you will get sick and die.

What Israel does is a cruel crime against humanity.
December 2008 Statement by the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights on Palestinian territories:
ReliefWeb » Document » oPt/Gaza: Silence is not an option