Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

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Hamas got elected because of their honesty and benevolent actions towards their citizens, such as their charitable social services. Hamas wasn't elected to make rapid peace with Israel.



Wouldn't economic disaster and starvation go hand in hand?




Oh that's nice of Israel to offer treatment to innocent civilians (you call enemies) their military has blown up.

Hamas was elected because the only other choice was totally corrupt.....and had cheated the Palestinians out of their chance for a nation. Certainly they have a social services wing.......or they did before they came to power......a shame, that.

Now they exist only to shell Israel.

And all Palestinians have to pay the price. The people are always responsible for the actions of their leaders, especially when they elect them.

Economic disaster and starvation would go hand in hand.....except that Israel allows 2000 tonnes of aid PER DAY into Gaza. Israel is punishing Gazans economically.......she is NOT starving them.

The policy of the Government of Israel is to condition the access of Palestinians who live in the Palestinian territories to healthcare in Israel (rather than in one of the 9 hospitals in Palestinian territories) upon financial coverage from the Palestinian Authority. In January 2009, after the end of the Israeli military offensive in the Gaza Strip, the Palestinian Authority cancelled financial coverage for all medical care for Palestinians in Israeli hospitals, including coverage for chronically ill Palestinian patients, and those in need of complex care that is not available in other tertiary medical centers in the region.

From wikipedia.....so WHO is denying Palestinians health care???
 

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So what?... The point had to do with the 6-Day War and the end results.... MHz wanted an idea regarding the military ability of Israel in terms of combat with a force such as Turkey.

lol what are you talking about. you directly replied to me and i'm just saying their neighbours aren't as hostile as you think. mostly propaganda you've been fed.
 

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Law or interpretation of law?
Law, based on fact.

When was an official descision made clearing Israel and justifying their actions or are you speculating Bear?
When was it they were proven guilty?

The law is pretty clear on these matters. You either understand that, or you don't. And you can try and use the word speculation by one definition all you want. My speculation of the legality, is based on the facts, a rule of law and the evidence at hand.

Yours is simply based on conjecture, plain and simple.

One has merit, the other is pure BS.

I bet I know which one you think your posts contain.
 

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Hamas was elected because the only other choice was totally corrupt.....and had cheated the Palestinians out of their chance for a nation.
So they do have the capability of being a free nation? Other than Hamas why has this not hapened yet? They don't need Hamas to decide whether or not they draft a charter and declare themselves a free nation do they?
 

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tactics will probably change. The bigot-brigade have already announced their intentions and it's likely that the Israelis won't go in like before... i wouldn't be too surprised if the Commandos use a slightly different tack this time and disable the boat once it has been given suitable warnings... Bugger-up their motors by floating some netting into the prop and then tow the idiots out into intl waters and let them martyr themselves out there.
No **** Sherlock.

.. Pretending that the flotilla had anything to do with the deliver of aid... It was a well planned lynching preconceived by a Turkish terrorist group that recruited many useful idiots (thanks CDNBear for the term) as cannon fodder.
How odd that everybody who dislikes their wanton use of their military is a terrorist.

In terms of the 'bruises' delivered by the bigot-brigade; I suppose that you now realize the cost of those bruises were paid in many bigot lives.
The full cost to both sides is not yet tallied up.

You can look forward to Hamas having to answer for their program of genocide against the Jews.... Careful what you wish for MHz - you may just get it.
Unlike 33 Nations stealing land and then refusing to help those it promised to. Why not just call it another Indian war and total elimination as a people is the only goal worth achieving. Doesn't make us noble but at least it is being honest about what was in store for the Arab residents of Palestine.


There's something that you need to understand.... First, I couldn't give a rats-a$$ about the UN. They are an inneffective body (at best). Secondly, the terrorists that wrap themselves in the Palestinian flag deserve no UN consideration whatsoever... That leaves the innocents. Considering that the Palestinian terrorists have absolutely no regard for their people, don't expect the Israeis to. I mean really, Hamas leverages their own women/children 'cause they are to afraid to put themselves into the fight - how despicable is that?
The current State of Israel exists because of the UN, so when you get the UN disbanded don't forget to erase all she has accomplished for the West. Useful for Afghanistan and Gulf I though.

I'll ask again - Protection from who? Hamas or the Israelis?
The Arabs being protected and given the rights in UN181. Little fuking late, not that there ever was a plan apparently, just more dribble out of the mouths of liars, our country included.

Are you referring to the electric wheelchairs again?... Yeah, sure - they can't afford medical treatment or basic food stuffs for their population, but every household gets to electric wheelchairs.
If Israel would quit maiming people there would be less demand for them.

The big irony on that.... Israel provides in the neighbourhood of 70% of the electricity to them from the Israeli grid.
They used to have their own power stations and a lot of other things that the 'good neighbors' destroyed as part of their genocidal collective punishment policy. I wonder how many Nazis that the US saved ended up being 'advisors' to Israel.

I see it in all your posts.
You haven't seen any of my posts except for this thread.

"You" being Hamas....... My eyes are green
They should be brown from the amount of shyte that comes out of your mouth.

Here's a question for you champ; In this situation, which group has announced a policy of eradicating an specific, highly identifiable group/culture from the planet?
Jews are insisting that all Muslims be eliminated for the good of the Jewish people, backed by 50 million American Evangelicals.

Yeah, sing me the blues about human rights.
Why, you support the right of the Canada to determine who should be in power in foreign lands while insisting on 'independence' is what we claim even though we are noting but a lap-dog for Israel and the US.

Wrong.. I don't support anything of the sort, I leave that to sickos like yourself.
Sure you do, no moves on your part to curb Canadians going to the far-east so they can have sex with children, seen any Government or religious pedophiles sent to prison in Canada lately, say 1 year. How many on the current court docket? Are there even any?
Trying to stop this practice makes one a 'sicko' eh. Well FU

But while we're on the topic, tell us all about the rampant homosexual abuse of boys and the marriage of 12 & 13 y/o girls to men who could be their grandfathers... Tell us about the repeated rapes of these youngsters and the beatings they suffer if they don't put out for their loving protectors.
Why focus on them, is that so we can ignore those same things in our society? At least you don't have to go far to find them, the finding and hiding them is quite a disgusting practice, yet that is our favorite way of handling it. A real shinning beacon we are for the world, not.

The group you are supporting have it ingrained in their culture, so think twice before you accuse others of atrocities that are run-of-the-mill among the terrorists that you so rabidly support.
Our culture is based on Europe, not the nicest bunch that ever lived, as anybody left alive in any of the colonies she created can bear witness to, and all those Muslim Nation of today were under the thumb of such colonial powers so if it is as widespread as you seem to think (rather than hidden like it is in Western-style cultures) then it is a holdover from what the Colonial powers were doing with regularity.

Ah... But strapping high explosives to mentally handicapped women is above board and inline with the basic rules of engagement is it?
The training starts when you have little children sign bombs, oh wait, that is an Israeli practice along with lawn chairs so they can watch things like operation Cast Lead from some hill with a good view.

They used it to kill women and kids. Being such a fine supporter of the rule of law when will you add support to the US Law that forbids the US from shipping weapons to any Nation that will not sign the NPT and allows inspections of their nuclear facilities. It's there and not being enforced or considered to be a law since the US and Israel 'wish' it wasn't, yet they have the nerve to demand obedience to established laws from everybody else in the world. That means the US and Israel are not law abiding Nations so why should they be dictating policy to anybody?

More tin-foil hat talk.
Says the 3rd little monkey.

Then Turkey really ought to rethink their participation in this entire mess, hadn't they?
I would be quite sure there are things being discussed that will have far reaching consequences.

Goal achieved quite some time ago through Israel and Egypt.... You can call off the flotilla I suppose, unless, well, hey - maybe there is an alternative motive here!
What did it take to bring Egypt into the fold, of yeah, several billion of American tax-payer money per years, another welfare state just like Israel, she needs a tit to suck on in order to survive.

Except for that time when Egypt, Syria and Jordan attacked..... Do you recall the outcome?
Somewhat, once the pre-emptive strike on the Egyptian air ports was complete they headed north but they had to first kill all the Egyptian troops that were under a white flag in the Sinai. Unfortunately for the Liberty, they overheard some pilots complain that the Egyptians had surrendered. Can't let that out so Prez. Johnson gave them permission to sink the ship with all hands on board. Should we cover the attacks on the UN facilities next?
 
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Your opinion is the law and only your is the law?
My opinion is based on the facts petros, where's your facts?

Now that you have tried to deviate the conversation, shall you post some facts to support your claims that the Mossad knew what was on board, the lack of munitions found makes a difference, and so on?

Or shall you continue to try and justify your BS a little more first?
 

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When did all the facts come in? You have access to official files couriered directly to your HQ?
Well?

Who said Mossad was aboard? I said that like any other top notch special boogimen they are crawling all over their enemey's ports right along side the UN who inspected the loads pre-departure.

To claim otherwise is making a mockery of the Mossad and the entire world effort of international security.
 

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Well what?

My opinion is based on the facts petros, where's your facts?

Now that you have tried to deviate the conversation, shall you post some facts to support your claims that the Mossad knew what was on board, the lack of munitions found makes a difference, and so on?

Or shall you continue to try and justify your BS a little more first?

Where's your proof petros?

Mhz has already posted the laws pertaining to the event in the OP. With the facts at hand, it is clear that the Israeli's are justified, and legally righteous.

Who said Mossad was aboard? I said that like any other top notch special boogimen they are crawling all over their enemey's ports right along side the UN who inspected the loads pre-departure.
Proof please.

To claim otherwise is making a mockery of the Mossad and the entire world effort of international security.
:lol:

Now, where are the facts to back up your claims petros.

Spin all you want, until you post some facst to back up your claims, they're BS and you know it.
 

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Hamas was elected because the only other choice was totally corrupt.....and had cheated the Palestinians out of their chance for a nation. Certainly they have a social services wing.......or they did before they came to power......a shame, that.

nope. maybe you aren't wearing your glasses, i'll put it in bigger text

Hamas got elected because of their honesty and benevolent actions towards their citizens, such as their charitable social services.


Read it. Comprehend it. Believe it. Don't believe it? Research it.


Now they exist only to shell Israel.

You think Hamas is shooting rockets at Israel because they despise all jews , but it's because of these immoral blockades of oppression. You think Hamas is a terrorist organization and i'll agree, except my definition of terrorism is probably different, in this case i'd define it as a justified reaction to oppression.


Economic disaster and starvation would go hand in hand.....except that Israel allows 2000 tonnes of aid PER DAY into Gaza. Israel is punishing Gazans economically.......she is NOT starving them.

all false.
i believe egypt opened their borders for aid to get into gaza when israel's blockade made it impossible after the flotilla incident. so it's thanks to egypt gazans aren't starving to death.

The policy of the Government of Israel is to condition the access of Palestinians who live in the Palestinian territories to healthcare in Israel (rather than in one of the 9 hospitals in Palestinian territories) upon financial coverage from the Palestinian Authority. In January 2009, after the end of the Israeli military offensive in the Gaza Strip, the Palestinian Authority cancelled financial coverage for all medical care for Palestinians in Israeli hospitals, including coverage for chronically ill Palestinian patients, and those in need of complex care that is not available in other tertiary medical centers in the region.

From wikipedia.....so WHO is denying Palestinians health care???

don't try to feed me your bull**** like israel has a utopian health care plan for Gazans

"The agencies highlighted the case of Fidaa Talal Hijjiy, a 19 years old student. She was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s disease in 2007, and was treated at Shifa Hospital (Gaza). She received a referral to an Israeli hospital (Tel Hashomer Hospital) for a potentially life saving bone marrow transplant in 2009, as this procedure is not available in Gaza. Through the District Liason Office, Fidaa applied for a permit to cross into Israel for her appointment, and waited. Authorities did not respond and Fidaa lost her appointment. She obtained a new appointment and submitted a new application. No response was received. Fidaa died waiting."

Palestine Monitor - Gaza?s Crippled Healthcare(...)
 

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So they do have the capability of being a free nation? Other than Hamas why has this not hapened yet? They don't need Hamas to decide whether or not they draft a charter and declare themselves a free nation do they?
UN181 states Palestine was to be considered a Nation no later than Nov of '48. it is the world in general that is refusing to recognize that fact.

Economic disaster and starvation would go hand in hand.....except that Israel allows 2000 tonnes of aid PER DAY into Gaza. Israel is punishing Gazans economically.......she is NOT starving them.
For 1.5 million people that works out to 0.000000606 lbs / day. Please go on that diet for a full year and then come back and report how much you enjoyed it
 

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nope. maybe you aren't wearing your glasses, i'll put it in bigger text

Hamas got elected because of their honesty and benevolent actions towards their citizens, such as their charitable social services.

Read it. Comprehend it. Believe it. Don't believe it? Research it.




You think Hamas is shooting rockets at Israel because they despise all jews , but it's because of these immoral blockades of oppression. You think Hamas is a terrorist organization and i'll agree, except my definition of terrorism is probably different, in this case i'd define it as a justified reaction to oppression.




all false.
i believe egypt opened their borders for aid to get into gaza when israel's blockade made it impossible after the flotilla incident. so it's thanks to egypt gazans aren't starving to death.



don't try to feed me your bull**** like israel has a utopian health care plan for Gazans

"The agencies highlighted the case of Fidaa Talal Hijjiy, a 19 years old student. She was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s disease in 2007, and was treated at Shifa Hospital (Gaza). She received a referral to an Israeli hospital (Tel Hashomer Hospital) for a potentially life saving bone marrow transplant in 2009, as this procedure is not available in Gaza. Through the District Liason Office, Fidaa applied for a permit to cross into Israel for her appointment, and waited. Authorities did not respond and Fidaa lost her appointment. She obtained a new appointment and submitted a new application. No response was received. Fidaa died waiting."

Palestine Monitor - Gaza?s Crippled Healthcare(...)

First of all, Hamas if I can guess at your culture and habits...........Hamas would stone you to death at their first opportunity... :)

I did not deny Hamas' charitable services....before they took power.....nor was I wrong about Fatah.

Hamas hates Jews.........they don't talk about Israelis, the talk about Jews.........and killing them. look at the educational material....

Now this stuff about Hamas "justified"is simply silly....Israel abandoned Gaza years ago, Hamas took over and has been attacking Israel, because they want the Jews dead. Self-defense, my arse. If they stopped shooting at Israel, peace would break out.

As far as I know, it takes less that 3 years for people to starve........and more than 3 days for people to recover from starvation. I said ISRAEL lets in 2000 tonnes of aid PER DAY. Obviously, as there is no starvation in Gaza.

I never said Palestinian health care was utopian.......but Israel STILL treats Palestinians, although now they do it for free, asthe PA won't pay for the health of its own citizens........

Yeah, I read the case of the girl, a tragedy, she got caught up in red tape.

But how many aren't unfortunate, and are treated in Israel???? LOTS, including the daughter of a Hamas leader, in April........
 

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lol what are you talking about. you directly replied to me and i'm just saying their neighbours aren't as hostile as you think. mostly propaganda you've been fed.


I believe that I made it clear regarding why I mentioned Egypt, Jordan and Syria. If you choose to ignore that reason, well, there's nothing that I can really do, is there?

As far as "good neighbours" are concerned, that relationship took a lot of work and also had its share of conflict as evidenced by the 6-Day War.... Unless ofcourse you're suggesting that it never happened.

Find me a cargo ship that doesn't have weapons CAPTAIN.

Find you one?... Easy... The bigot-brigade assured the world that there were no weapons on board; just humanitarian aid... Remember now?

Are you beginning to see the conflicts and lies by these bigots yet?
 

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First of all, Hamas if I can guess at your culture and habits...........Hamas would stone you to death at their first opportunity... :)

hamas use of stoning in capital punishment is rooted in their religious faith. majority of countries in the middle east practice this. i definitely don't agree with it.



If they stopped shooting at Israel, peace would break out.

stop shooting at our oppressors and continue being oppressed, right. lawl.


I said ISRAEL lets in 2000 tonnes of aid PER DAY. Obviously, as there is no starvation in Gaza.
no they don't.




I never said Palestinian health care was utopian.......but Israel STILL treats Palestinians, although now they do it for free, asthe PA won't pay for the health of its own citizens........

won't pay? more like can't pay because of the economic mess israel has put on gaza.
 

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Quote: Who said Mossad was aboard? I said that like any other top notch special boogimen they are crawling all over their enemey's ports right along side the UN who inspected the loads pre-departure.
Proof please.
What is there to prove? Common knowledge that port security around the globe and especially middle east is as tight as frogs ass?

Where were you when they dumped hundreds of bilions if not trillions into port security world wide and stuck you personally with sizable chunk of the bill?
 

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What is there to prove? Common knowledge that port security around the globe and especially middle east is as tight as frogs ass?

Where were you when they dumped hundreds of bilions if not trillions into port security world wide and stuck you personally with sizable chunk of the bill?

Here's the thread you're looking for...

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/members-lounge/92349-off-topic-all-time.html

Now, can you prove the Mossad had knowledge of what was on board before it left port, or not?

Do you have proof that whether they find munitions on board or not makes a difference in the legality of the inspection or not?
 

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I believe that I made it clear regarding why I mentioned Egypt, Jordan and Syria. If you choose to ignore that reason, well, there's nothing that I can really do, is there?

As far as "good neighbours" are concerned, that relationship took a lot of work and also had its share of conflict as evidenced by the 6-Day War.... Unless ofcourse you're suggesting that it never happened.

we're talking about the relationship they have today, not decades ago.