B.P.'s Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Thread (it's all here).....

bill barilko

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Re: Rigs operating in the Gulf of Mexico

This will blow you away! Wow the things you know nothing about!

Why do you assume I know nothing about it?

I know for sure that shills/decoys and much worse for Big Oil will soon start their whispering about how 'Everything is really OK and has been for years Go Back To Sleep'
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hint, hint........
 

The Old Medic

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Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

Are you aware the BP is shorthand for BRITISH Petroleum, and that is is a BRITISH Corporation? It is neither based in, nor controlled in, the United States of America. It is based in, and controlled from Great Britain. Therefore, it is not now, nor has it ever been, under former President Bush's control or favor.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

Are you aware the BP is shorthand for BRITISH Petroleum, and that is is a BRITISH Corporation? It is neither based in, nor controlled in, the United States of America. It is based in, and controlled from Great Britain. Therefore, it is not now, nor has it ever been, under former President Bush's control or favor.

the US administration under Bush were ill informed as to the potential BP'S clean up capability, OR the Bush administration turned a blind eye due to the oil addiction Bush confirmed to the world US HAS. Either way the earth wants the oil of its back, the people need their lives back and down the road this is going to be a messy fight. The blame game will take place and the people will pay for stupid unregulated oil exploration.

We as inhabitants of this earth should insure that we don’t kill the planet for the good of our pockets. It does smell like favouritism to allow a company take a resource under the sea bed of a country and not to bother enforcing strict drilling rules.
 

Stretch

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its not a bloody spill, its a leak!

nobody spilt anything, we drilled into a pressurized pocket and **** happened and now we have a leak we cant stop.......

BP launches PR fightback over oil spill

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Under-fire oil giant BP launched a public relations fightback on Monday over the Gulf of Mexico rig spill, pledging up to 500 million dollars to study the impact and taking out major newspaper ads.

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... and trying to get this article deleted from the net as a huge PR gaffe!
 

ironsides

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Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

BP fired the gun, I am pretty sure Bush had nothing to do with it. BP is 100% responsible. BP's corporate executives should face a legal trial personally as well.

 

Mowich

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Re: US considers setting fire to Gulf of Mexico oil leak

*scratches head* I can't find a link for this. Where did you read it?

“BP currently operates under our Operating Management System (OMS), which includes all of the elements proposed in this rulemaking. While BP is supportive of companies having a system in place to reduce risk, accidents, injuries and spills, we are not supportive of the extensive, prescriptive regulations as proposed in this rule. We believe industry’s current safety and environmental statistics demonstrate that the voluntary programs implemented since the adoption of API RP 75 have been and continue to be very successful. “

http://www.mms.gov/federalregister/PublicComments/AD15SafetyEnvMgmtSysforOCSOilGasOperations/BPAmerica9-14-09.pdf

Last year, BP, the owner of the well that blew up in the gulf, teamed with other offshore operators to oppose a proposed rule that would have required stricter safety and environmental standards and more frequent inspections. BP said that “extensive, prescriptive” regulations were not needed for offshore drilling, and urged the minerals service to allow operators to define the steps they would take to ensure safety largely on their own.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/08/us/08agency.html?ref=politics

http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Energy-lobby-molded-rules-undercutting-spill-479515.php#page-1
 

AnnaG

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Re: US considers setting fire to Gulf of Mexico oil leak

Anyone with ideas on how to fix the ruptured pipe and any of the effects of the oil can submit their solutions here
 

The Old Medic

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Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

I hate to remind all of you, but this leak happened in April, 2010. George Bush went out of office on January 20, 2009.

This leak is not the responsibility of an administration that had been out of office for over 15 months at the time it happened.

Just when are you spoiled children finally going to accept that Mr. Obama and his administration ARE responsible for what happens on his watch?

I am sick and tired of the liberals blaming everything on earth on George Bush. Is Barack Obama responsible for nothing at all?
 

ironsides

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Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

BP and either a big error or corporate greed were the causes of this leak. Bush or Obama know dlddly about what happened. When this is all over though, the U.S. better own BP lock stock and barrel.
 

AnnaG

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Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

I hate to remind all of you, but this leak happened in April, 2010. George Bush went out of office on January 20, 2009.

This leak is not the responsibility of an administration that had been out of office for over 15 months at the time it happened.

Just when are you spoiled children finally going to accept that Mr. Obama and his administration ARE responsible for what happens on his watch?

I am sick and tired of the liberals blaming everything on earth on George Bush. Is Barack Obama responsible for nothing at all?
Reality would suggest that the guilty culprits are whoever built the "failsafe" mechanism that failed, whoever/whatever caused the explosion, and BP for not making sure that everything was working right.

California is broke. Is that Obama's fault? :roll:
 

EagleSmack

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Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

I hate to remind all of you, but this leak happened in April, 2010. George Bush went out of office on January 20, 2009.

Does not matter...

What happened during the Bush era is all Bush's fault and what happens under the Obama era is all Bush's fault.

This leak is not the responsibility of an administration that had been out of office for over 15 months at the time it happened.

If liberals were to use common sense and integrity you would be correct.

Just when are you spoiled children finally going to accept that Mr. Obama and his administration ARE responsible for what happens on his watch?

Never.

I am sick and tired of the liberals blaming everything on earth on George Bush. Is Barack Obama responsible for nothing at all?

Which is why they truly miss Bush. They miss their days of complaining about Bush so they are clinging to the past.

I find it rather amusing actually being that this disaster is in the New Orleans area. Thinking back to the left's perpetual attack on how Bush failed to act accordingly and quick enough to Katrina and now their inability to critisize Obama for allowing this disaster to fester unabated.
 

ironsides

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Oil Spill

'Top kill' halts flow of oil and gas, admiral says


I sure hope so.

Reporting from Houma, La.
Engineers have succeeded in stopping the flow of oil and gas into the Gulf of Mexico from a gushing BP well, the federal government's top oil spill commander, Adm. Thad Allen, said Thursday morning.

The so-called "top kill" effort, launched Wednesday afternoon by industry and government engineers in Houston, has pumped enough drilling fluid to block all oil and gas from the well, Allen said. The pressure from the well is very low, but persistent, he said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-oil-spill-stopped-top-kill-link,0,1045555.story?track=rss

 

DurkaDurka

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Now your government should fine BP somewhere in the range of 10-20 billion dollars for the damage they have done.
 

wulfie68

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Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

What happened during the Bush era is all Bush's fault and what happens under the Obama era is all Bush's fault.

No, but by the same token, not every screw up that occurred in Bush's 8 years (or in the preceeding gov'ts) cannot be corrected instantly like many Republicans seem to want either. 15 months ISN'T a lot of time to go and rewrite a lot of policy, especially when your gov't is overseeing 2 armed conflicts that they inherited from the previous one, and trying to crawl out of the worst ecnomic conditions in 80 years or so.

How Obama should be judged on this, is how his administration handles the situation not that it ocurred at all. Things like wanting an investigation on the spill (or leak if you prefer) to begin immediately is a good start: you don't wait for the evidence to disappear before you begin looking into something like this. In my mind, there should be an interim plan upgraded and put into place for dealing with similar situations (should they arise) that can be ammended once the investigation and final analysis is complete. And this interim plan should include increased inspections on existing platforms and the ability of inspectors to shut them down if BOPs, relief valves and other safety devices are not functioning properly.

I find it rather amusing actually being that this disaster is in the New Orleans area. Thinking back to the left's perpetual attack on how Bush failed to act accordingly and quick enough to Katrina and now their inability to critisize Obama for allowing this disaster to fester unabated.

Bush was targeted for a lot of criticisms that should have been aimed at municipal and state officials, but he was his own worst enemy with the appointment of his buddy "Brownie" (someone completely unqualified and seemingly unprepared for the role he was asked to fill) to be in charge of the US Federal gov't actions.

Finally, yes BP does stand for British Petroleum and their HQ is in London. They aren't solely British but rather a multinational, with shareholders all over the globe, including those of Amoco, whom BP merged with in 1998 (hmmm what does Am-O-Co stand for, I wonder...;-)). As for the "When this is all over though, the U.S. better own BP lock stock and barrel." mindset, I disagree. BP should be responsible for ALL costs associated with this disaster (they screwed up, no one else), including applicable fines and penalties imposed by the US gov't but if they can pay all this and remain standing, its their right to continue to operate as a business (although the US gov't should have the right to revoke any leases that do not conform to ALL applicable regulations and laws).
 

Socrates the Greek

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Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

I hate to remind all of you, but this leak happened in April, 2010. George Bush went out of office on January 20, 2009.

This leak is not the responsibility of an administration that had been out of office for over 15 months at the time it happened.

Just when are you spoiled children finally going to accept that Mr. Obama and his administration ARE responsible for what happens on his watch?

I am sick and tired of the liberals blaming everything on earth on George Bush. Is Barack Obama responsible for nothing at all?
Are you sure?????????????????????? whether Bush has been out of office for 15 months the blind eye as a result of the oil addiction took place for 8 years under GW Bushes’ watch. Regulation comes from Government not from Industry. Industry lobbied to help keep Bush financially healthy (republicans) and regulatory legislation took the back seat. We witnessed the same thing when the American Air lines were deregulated and American planes that belonged to Frank Lorenzo were falling off the sky due to short cuts on maintenance as a result of deregulation. The Bush Administration is to be blamed huge for the Golf disaster today.


No Obama can not be blamed for this disaster, he took a country that was badly damaged on all fronts from the Republicans, you can not fix a damaged country in 15 months.
 

ironsides

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Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

Are you sure?????????????????????? whether Bush has been out of office for 15 months the blind eye as a result of the oil addiction took place for 8 years under GW Bushes’ watch. Regulation comes from Government not from Industry. Industry lobbied to help keep Bush financially healthy (republicans) and regulatory legislation took the back seat. We witnessed the same thing when the American Air lines were deregulated and American planes that belonged to Frank Lorenzo were falling off the sky due to short cuts on maintenance as a result of deregulation. The Bush Administration is to be blamed huge for the Golf disaster today.


No Obama can not be blamed for this disaster, he took a country that was badly damaged on all fronts from the Republicans, you can not fix a damaged country in 15 months.
Now we agree, Bush is very possibly responsible for my "Golf" disaster, and many others. As I have said, the only ones responsible are BP and those that supplied them with the rigs.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

Based on that I think that BP will not pay the total clean up bill, and the American tax payer will be on the hook for most of the cost as well the compensation to their livelihoods‘.

BP made a profit of 5.6 billion $ in the first quarter. They have spent a few millions on the clean up, they are laughing all the way to the bank. To them, it is more profitable to drill without any regard to safeguards, make billions and then spend a few million on the clean up if there is an occasional spill. That is just the cost of doing business.

It works on the same principles as credit card companies. Credit card companies want to sign up as many customers as possible, that is how they make profit. If some of them default, well that is just the cost of doing business.

Are you aware the BP is shorthand for BRITISH Petroleum, and that is is a BRITISH Corporation? It is neither based in, nor controlled in, the United States of America. It is based in, and controlled from Great Britain. Therefore, it is not now, nor has it ever been, under former President Bush's control or favor.

Sure it was, they had to get government’s permission to drill offshore, they couldn’t just go there and start drilling. It being a British company is simply a red herring.

Bush himself is a former oil executive, so I assume he has never come across a drilling plan that he did not like. During the 12 years Republicans were in power, they were notoriously lax in enforcing any regulation on businesses. One result of that (of not regulating the financial sector) was the financial meltdown, another result (of not regulating the energy sector) was the current BP disaster.

Indeed, USA should be glad that Congress did not pass the Cheney energy plan into law. Cheney totally ignored environmental groups and formulated energy policy by exclusively consulting the energy industry. If Congress had adopted his plan, we may have had such disasters even sooner and with greater frequency.
 
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