B.P.'s Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Thread (it's all here).....

[Tonington]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

I hate to remind all of you, but this leak happened in April, 2010. George Bush went out of office on January 20, 2009.

This leak is not the responsibility of an administration that had been out of office for over 15 months at the time it happened.

The leak is the responsibility of BP and partners. The certification process they went through is the responsibility of the government at that time. Do you think it would be wise for every new President to go over all approvals of the previous Administration? How much time and resources would that use up?

The responsibility on Obama is to make sure that the mistakes which lead to this accident are not repeated, where possible. It seems abundantly clear that the process of approving off-shore oil sites needs to be adjusted, and based not on what the industry wants to see, but what is best for all who are impacted by events like this.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

BP fired the gun, I am pretty sure Bush had nothing to do with it. BP is 100% responsible. BP's corporate executives should face a legal trial personally as well.

Bush had everything to do with it, as his administrators gave BP the permission to drill. They probably did not look too closely into what plans BP had in case of a disastrous oil spill.

I hate to remind all of you, but this leak happened in April, 2010. George Bush went out of office on January 20, 2009.

This leak is not the responsibility of an administration that had been out of office for over 15 months at the time it happened.

Just when are you spoiled children finally going to accept that Mr. Obama and his administration ARE responsible for what happens on his watch?

I am sick and tired of the liberals blaming everything on earth on George Bush. Is Barack Obama responsible for nothing at all?

The spill is the responsibility of the administration which gave BP the permission to drill without inquiring into the possibility of disastrous leaks and what safeguards BP had in place in case such a leak occurs. It is the responsibility of the administration which refused to impose any kind of regulation on businesses, which indulged in a free for all. with no consequences for mistakes, no accountability.

And that was Bush administration, Obama had nothing to do with it.

BP and either a big error or corporate greed were the causes of this leak. Bush or Obama know dlddly about what happened. When this is all over though, the U.S. better own BP lock stock and barrel.

It was Bush’s job to enquire into what kind of safeguards BP had in place, what were the possibilities of the spill etc., before giving the permission to drill. But then, Republicans were besotted with ‘drill, baby, drill!’ philosophy at that time. Strangely enough we don’t hear much about ‘drill, baby drill’ these days.

‘Drill, bay, drill’ philosophy is what is responsible for the current fiasco.

And US government own BP? Don’t you believe it. As I said before, BP will spend a few million $ on clean up, apologize for the spill, pocket the few billion profit it made in the first quarter and go about its merry ways. As to imposing any sanctions on BP, it can rely on Republicans to block any attempt to do so with a Senate filibuster. Just as they tried to block the financial Sector Reform (luckily for the country, a handful of Republicans voted with Democratic Party to pass it).

 

[petros]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

GASP!!! There is no corruption in resources. None. Nada. Zip zant doodley squat. Absolutely no. Don't be silly. Move along. Look the other way. Nothing to see here.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

Are you sure?????????????????????? whether Bush has been out of office for 15 months the blind eye as a result of the oil addiction took place for 8 years under GW Bushes’ watch.

This is priceless.

Sorry Charlie...wasn't his watch.

Obama is getting shellacked about this and rightfully so.

 

[Stretch]

Re: US considers setting fire to Gulf of Mexico oil leak

Scientists find evidence of large underwater oil plume in gulf

Tags:

• SCIENCE/HEALTH/CLIMATE/NATURE

Scientists have found evidence of a large underwater "plume" of oil in the Gulf of Mexico, adding to fears that much of the BP oil spill's impact is hidden beneath the surface.
The scientists, aboard a University of South Florida research vessel, were testing the water in sites east and northeast of the leak's source. The university said they detected traces of dissolved oil as deep as 1,300 feet below the surface.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

This is priceless.

Sorry Charlie...wasn't his watch.

Obama is getting shellacked about this and rightfully so.

Obama is geting shallacked by the repulbicans, from the day the spill happened. The official Republican Party line (as propounded by Limbaugh and other republicans) is that Obama caused the spill and wants it to extend as far as possible, wants it to do maximum possible damage, so that he may be able to ban any further offshore drilling.

And yes, it was definitely under Bush's watch, he gave BP the permission to drill.

 

[ironsides]

Re: US considers setting fire to Gulf of Mexico oil leak

Guess they could always detonate those underwater "plume's", if they can find them all. Maybe?

 

[karrie]

Re: US considers setting fire to Gulf of Mexico oil leak

BP lobbied hard against a blow-out preventer citing the enormous cost.

*scratches head* I can't find a link for this. Where did you read it?

This was the post I replied to with that quote.... because BP has never lobbied against BOP's. But, three weeks ago when the conversation took place, wolf or someone else, pointed out that you mean the remote control, not BOP's themselves.

 

[Risus]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

Are you sure?????????????????????? whether Bush has been out of office for 15 months the blind eye as a result of the oil addiction took place for 8 years under GW Bushes’ watch. Regulation comes from Government not from Industry. Industry lobbied to help keep Bush financially healthy (republicans) and regulatory legislation took the back seat. We witnessed the same thing when the American Air lines were deregulated and American planes that belonged to Frank Lorenzo were falling off the sky due to short cuts on maintenance as a result of deregulation. The Bush Administration is to be blamed huge for the Golf disaster today.


No Obama can not be blamed for this disaster, he took a country that was badly damaged on all fronts from the Republicans, you can not fix a damaged country in 15 months.

Bush was/is an idiot, so it wouldn't surprise me if he ignored certain regulations during the drilling planning and lined his pockets... After all bush was responsible for Katrina, too. Oh yeah, did I for get to mention that he thought he was God??

Anyway Obama can be blamed for not getting on to BP's case sooner .

 

[ironsides]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

Bush had everything to do with it, as his administrators gave BP the permission to drill. They probably did not look too closely into what plans BP had in case of a disastrous oil spill.



The spill is the responsibility of the administration which gave BP the permission to drill without inquiring into the possibility of disastrous leaks and what safeguards BP had in place in case such a leak occurs. It is the responsibility of the administration which refused to impose any kind of regulation on businesses, which indulged in a free for all. with no consequences for mistakes, no accountability.

And that was Bush administration, Obama had nothing to do with it.



It was Bush’s job to enquire into what kind of safeguards BP had in place, what were the possibilities of the spill etc., before giving the permission to drill. But then, Republicans were besotted with ‘drill, baby, drill!’ philosophy at that time. Strangely enough we don’t hear much about ‘drill, baby drill’ these days.

‘Drill, bay, drill’ philosophy is what is responsible for the current fiasco.

And US government own BP? Don’t you believe it. As I said before, BP will spend a few million $ on clean up, apologize for the spill, pocket the few billion profit it made in the first quarter and go about its merry ways. As to imposing any sanctions on BP, it can rely on Republicans to block any attempt to do so with a Senate filibuster. Just as they tried to block the financial Sector Reform (luckily for the country, a handful of Republicans voted with Democratic Party to pass it).

The American tax payer will pay for this spill, no question about it. As for Obama, he probably had no personal knowledge of what the oil industry was doing. He also appointed people who knew nothing or very little either. Obama will be judged on how he resolves the issue of what BP will be required to pay. His career future will be based upon what he does or doesn't do.

Bush was/is an idiot, so it wouldn't surprise me if he ignored certain regulations during the drilling planning and lined his pockets... After all bush was responsible for Katrina, too. Oh yeah, did I for get to mention that he thought he was God??

Anyway Obama can be blamed for not getting on to BP's case sooner .

Bush made his decision based upon what was happening at the time. Hind sight is always perfect.

Bush pushes Congress for more offshore drilling

Bush looks offshore for oil remedy - Oil & energy- msnbc.com

 

[Highball]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

BP nor any other Oil conglomerate has any financial incentive to take the US and its laws seriously as they relate to oil explloration. There is a cap on their financial responsibility in the American law (75 million) and there is also another cap on what they can be held accountable for in claims. They are a multi-billion dollar a year operation. With those caps in place what incentive do they have to pay attention to what we say? They can make all of the claims about willingness to pay for the damages and issues of people being put out work. The real issue will be when they cut all of those checks regardless of the caps set in law. So far they have been less than honest with those seeking the facts and that tells me something. But the actions of the regulatory personnel from the Minerals Management Service have been less than professional too.

 

[ironsides]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

BP has spent over $350 Million so far.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

The American tax payer will pay for this spill, no question about it. As for Obama, he probably had no personal knowledge of what the oil industry was doing. He also appointed people who knew nothing or very little either. Obama will be judged on how he resolves the issue of what BP will be required to pay. His career future will be based upon what he does or doesn't do.

Quite so, people will judge him based upon how he handled the crises. Here we are discussing who was responsible for the crises. It was Bush and the Republicans, for giving BP permission to drill without proper safeguards.

I really cannot blame BP, a private company will try to maximize the profits, will try to cut as many corners as it legally can, that is the nature of the beast. If a beast goes out of control and causes damage, the fault lies with the beast keeper, and not the beast.

Bush made his decision based upon what was happening at the time. Hind sight is always perfect.

Bush pushes Congress for more offshore drilling

Bush looks offshore for oil remedy - Oil & energy- msnbc.com

Bush made his decision based upon ideology and not upon science. A good president always looks at both sides of the issue before making his decision. A good president does not present to the Congress an energy bill drafted from consultations exclusively with energy lobby.

BP has spent over $350 Million so far.

A drop in the bucket compared to the profits they made in the first quarter of 2010 alone (several billion dollars). As I said before, they probably are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[ironsides]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

No, Bush based his decision on what the people at the time wanted, and $4.00 per gal. for gas was not what we wanted. Politicians jobs were at stake as they are now.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

No, Bush based his decision on what the people at the time wanted, and $4.00 per gal. for gas was not what we wanted. Politicians jobs were at stake as they are now.

A president must weigh all sides and sometimes take decisions which may not have popular support at the time. That is called leadership.

A president must not take ideological decisions (or take decision just because they have popular support), they invariably come back to bite the American people, like the economic meltdown or the BP disaster.

 

[Mowich]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

Are you inferring that GW would actually bend regulations to favour an oil company? Let's think that over. Members of the Bush family favouring big oil. Plausible.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Mowich]

Nothing we fine them will replaced the wildlife they have destroyed, but 10-20 billion would be a good start.

Then you take that money and start buying up the wetlands now held by private concerns and begin restoring them - they will be needed even more now. But wait, that would be the smart thing to do - what am I thinking???

'Top kill' halts flow of oil and gas, admiral says


I sure hope so.

Reporting from Houma, La.
Engineers have succeeded in stopping the flow of oil and gas into the Gulf of Mexico from a gushing BP well, the federal government's top oil spill commander, Adm. Thad Allen, said Thursday morning.

The so-called "top kill" effort, launched Wednesday afternoon by industry and government engineers in Houston, has pumped enough drilling fluid to block all oil and gas from the well, Allen said. The pressure from the well is very low, but persistent, he said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-oil-spill-stopped-top-kill-link,0,1045555.story?track=rss

Sorry, Ironsides, but Anderson Cooper is reporting as I write that the oil is still gushing out but now it has been joined by some of the mud that they are using to try and plug the hole. Apparently, the operation stopped for several hours today but no one seems to have a definitive answer as to why they did so.

 

[ironsides]

Then you take that money and start buying up the wetlands now held by private concerns and begin restoring them - they will be needed even more now. But wait, that would be the smart thing to do - what am I thinking???



Sorry, Ironsides, but Anderson Cooper is reporting as I write that the oil is still gushing out but now it has been joined by some of the mud that they are using to try and plug the hole. Apparently, the operation stopped for several hours today but no one seems to have a definitive answer as to why they did so.

At least there still pumping. What are you thinking . That money will disappear into the goverment coffers never to be seen again, at least for cleaning up the environment.


ROBERT, La. – As BP labored for a second day Thursday to choke off the leak at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, dire [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]new [COLOR=#366388 !important]government [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 !important]estimates[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] showed the disaster has easily eclipsed the Exxon Valdez as the biggest oil spill in U.S. history.
After an 18-hour delay to assess its efforts and bring in more materials, BP resumed pumping [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]heavy [COLOR=#366388 !important]drilling [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 !important]mud[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] into the blown-out well 5,000 feet underwater. Officials said it could be late Friday or the weekend before the company knows if the procedure known as a top kill has cut off the oil that has been flowing for five weeks.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill

 

[ironsides]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

By MANU RAJU | 5/27/10 7:57 PM EDT


Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) said Thursday that President Barack Obama will pay a political price for his lack of visibility in the Gulf region during the catastrophic BP oil spill.

“The president has not been as visible as he should have been on this, and he’s going to pay a political price for it, unfortunately,” Landrieu told POLITICO. “But he’s going down tomorrow, he’s made some good announcements today, and if he personally steps up his activity, I think that would be very helpful.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37878.html​

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: Did Bush neglect strict laws on oil drilling due to favouritism?

By MANU RAJU | 5/27/10 7:57 PM EDT​

Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) said Thursday that President Barack Obama will pay a political price for his lack of visibility in the Gulf region during the catastrophic BP oil spill. ​

“The president has not been as visible as he should have been on this, and he’s going to pay a political price for it, unfortunately,” Landrieu told POLITICO. “But he’s going down tomorrow, he’s made some good announcements today, and if he personally steps up his activity, I think that would be very helpful.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37878.html​

The golf is a devastating disaster and the Republicans are on record contributing to this disaster, in the 8 years Bush acted as a loose cannon on the deck of a war ship.

Obama took a damaged country from the Republicans and that part of history will never change. Imposable to fix 8 years of Republican carelessness in 11/2 years.