None is more merciful than God Most Gracious

[JLM]

"The life of the World is not the goal; the next spiritual life is the purpose: where man will live for millions of years."

How much longer are you going to continue to peddle this crap? You have no way of proving it and the rest of us have no way of disproving it, so what is the use to continue harping on about it? You credibility diminishes with every repitition, so put a lid on it.

 

[AnnaG]

The stupidity is to antagonize God Most Gracious.

His mercy involves all people: the believer and the non-believer in this World, and His mercy will exclusively be for believers in the afterlife.

Cancer in kids? Babies born with AIDS? Kids dying of malnutrition all over the world? I am sure that they can do without this god's idea of "mercy", as can I.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

God also created poisonous snakes; so not everything God created, He made lawful; the pork is forbidden in the Torah of Moses as is it forbidden in the Quran. And although Christians claim it is not forbidden, but actually Jesus commanded them to follow the Law of Moses in which the pork or bacon is forbidden.

I advise you also not to eat of the pork or bacon because of its serious consequences on decreasing the jealousy of man. The other factor in decreasing the jealosy of man is the alcohol drinking.

And just what is wrong with poisonous snakes? Snakes are fully as much part of nature as any other animal, snakes fulfill valuable ecological functions. Many of the poisonous snakes (e.g. the coral snake or king cobra) are beautiful creatures.

And nothing wrong with ham ro bacon either (except for the irrational prejudices of Muslims). Nothing wrong with beef either (except for the irrational prejudices of Hindus).

 

[talloola]

"The life of the World is not the goal; the next spiritual life is the purpose: where man will live for millions of years."

How much longer are you going to continue to peddle this crap? You have no way of proving it and the rest of us have no way of disproving it, so what is the use to continue harping on about it? You credibility diminishes with every repitition, so put a lid on it.

I know that 'scientifically' these things can't be proven,
so then we, who have intelligence beyond any of the animals on this earth, can reason, figure things out, make sense
of things, 'can' use our 'common sense' and know that
a story telling us that we go somewhere else and live for
millions of years is 'crap', we know approximately how long we live,
where we live, and where we will spend eternity, and I
don't need scientific proof to tell me that, it is what it
is, we can see that, have seen it for thousands of years,
and know where our ancestors are, where we buried them, and
I would feel stupid if I even thought about believing some fairy tale,
told by those who 'wish' for those things, then 'try' to
convince us that it is true.

Sorry, not biting.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

How can any intelligent man think God is not Merciful.

Well, he can look around with eyes and mind open and see what's really going on. My grandparents' generation was the first in history that could routinely expect most of its children to survive to adulthood, thanks entirely to human efforts in fields like medicine and hygiene. God had nothing to do with it, though he could have told us a long time ago about things like bacteria and viruses and certain elementary preventive measures. Evidently he chose not to and let billions of people die preventable premature deaths. You claim to be a physician, walk through a children's cancer ward or a geriatric ward some time and explain what you see in terms of god's mercy. You've blinded yourself to reality in order to maintain your mythology.

p.s. It may be a complete surprise to you, but intelligent women can do this too.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

I say this because the atheists, with their insisting, try to claim God is cruel and merciless; glory be to God Most Gracious and Most Kind.

This meaning is affirmed in the Quran in a lrage number of the ayat; and His mercy always is mentioned before His revenge on the wrong-doer; and that He is the Most Merciful Most Forgiving.

In a quick search that I have just made, I find
56 sites in the Quran where God is mentioned that He is Most Merciful, Most Forgiving.غفور رحيم
119 times He is Most Gracious Most Merciful. رحمان رحيم
56 times He is Most Gracious. رحمان
227 times He is mentioned in the Quran as Most Merciful. رحيم
7 times He is Most Kind. لطيف
11 times He is Most Compssionate. رؤوف
91 times He is Most Forgiving غفور
6 times He is All Forgiving غفار

In addition to a large number of the ayat where God's mercy and grace is mentioned by meaning not as idiom.

Like this aya 28: 73

وَمِن رَّحْمَتِهِ جَعَلَ لَكُمُ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ لِتَسْكُنُوا فِيهِ وَلِتَبْتَغُوا مِن فَضْلِهِ وَلَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ​

The explanation:
(It is some of His mercy toward you [people] that He has made the night and day [succeeding each other]; that you may rest by [the night], and seek after His bounty by [the day], and that you may be grateful [to God.])​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/
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As far as to judging the 'mercifulness' of your Allah, your Quran is - let's face it - biased. How about we poll the people who were subjugated by the 'merciful Muslims? That's right - The Quran is full of examples of how Allah and his 'prophet' were compassionate - as long as those they opposed gave inHeaven forbid someone should say, "Oh! I'm dreadfully sorry! I think it's ABSOLUTELY wonderful that you have all found yourselves, but I'm QUITE happy where I am religiously - and I actually believe it!" NO! Mohammed and his marauding minions slashed and burned their way through the known world. And you know what? Call me a hypocrite, but given the choice between rape /given to some Islamic conqueror and conversion? Heck - I'd convert, and then plot for my 'Islamic saviour's demise, since he probably did away with all my non-muslim loving relatives.
Get over yourself Einassir, and get over this bizarre 'everyone we conquered loved us' belief. Trust me, when confronted with the muslim hordes? They resorted to survival mode.
And quite frankly? Any deity worth his or her salt does't need to resort to the terrorist tactics or the subjugation that YOUR Allah does. Any REAL deity doesn't need to dictate death doom and destruction to women who walk freely in the sun, not hiding how their creator made them. The creation is not bad. The slimy little gits who listen to the 'serpent'? They're the ones who should be in purdah.Uhnfortunatley YOUR religion is run by those little gits, and your Allah should do something about it.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

as far as to judging the 'mercifulness' of your allah, your quran is - let's face it - biased. How about we poll the people who were subjugated by the 'merciful muslims? That's right - the quran is full of examples of how allah and his 'prophet' were compassionate - as long as those they opposed gave inheaven forbid someone should say, "oh! I'm dreadfully sorry! I think it's absolutely wonderful that you have all found yourselves, but i'm quite happy where i am religiously - and i actually believe it!" no! Mohammed and his marauding minions slashed and burned their way through the known world. And you know what? Call me a hypocrite, but given the choice between rape /given to some islamic conqueror and conversion? Heck - i'd convert, and then plot for my 'islamic saviour's demise, since he probably did away with all my non-muslim loving relatives.
Get over yourself einassir, and get over this bizarre 'everyone we conquered loved us' belief. Trust me, when confronted with the muslim hordes? They resorted to survival mode.
And quite frankly? Any deity worth his or her salt does't need to resort to the terrorist tactics or the subjugation that your allah does. Any real deity doesn't need to dictate death doom and destruction to women who walk freely in the sun, not hiding how their creator made them. The creation is not bad. The slimy little gits who listen to the 'serpent'? They're the ones who should be in purdah.uhnfortunatley your religion is run by those little gits, and your allah should do something about it.

einassir - your silence speaks volumes.

 

[Cliffy]

einassir - your silence speaks volumes.

I am beginning to think that Muslim men are terrified of strong women. That is why they demand they cover up. They would probably pee their pants if faced with a woman like you. Eanassir is probably off in the corner licking his wounds.

 

[talloola]

As far as to judging the 'mercifulness' of your Allah, your Quran is - let's face it - biased. How about we poll the people who were subjugated by the 'merciful Muslims? That's right - The Quran is full of examples of how Allah and his 'prophet' were compassionate - as long as those they opposed gave inHeaven forbid someone should say, "Oh! I'm dreadfully sorry! I think it's ABSOLUTELY wonderful that you have all found yourselves, but I'm QUITE happy where I am religiously - and I actually believe it!" NO! Mohammed and his marauding minions slashed and burned their way through the known world. And you know what? Call me a hypocrite, but given the choice between rape /given to some Islamic conqueror and conversion? Heck - I'd convert, and then plot for my 'Islamic saviour's demise, since he probably did away with all my non-muslim loving relatives.
Get over yourself Einassir, and get over this bizarre 'everyone we conquered loved us' belief. Trust me, when confronted with the muslim hordes? They resorted to survival mode.
And quite frankly? Any deity worth his or her salt does't need to resort to the terrorist tactics or the subjugation that YOUR Allah does. Any REAL deity doesn't need to dictate death doom and destruction to women who walk freely in the sun, not hiding how their creator made them. The creation is not bad. The slimy little gits who listen to the 'serpent'? They're the ones who should be in purdah.Uhnfortunatley YOUR religion is run by those little gits, and your Allah should do something about it.

I applaude you, and thank you for that.

 

[eanassir]

As far as to judging the 'mercifulness' of your Allah, your Quran

God is All-Mighty​

This is in the Quran 26: 9​

وَإِنَّ رَبَّكَ لَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الرَّحِيمُ​

The explanation:
(And your Lord [O Mohammed], indeed, is the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful.)​

Therefore, God is Most Merciful exclusively to believers in the afterlife. It means: His mercy will not include the disbelievers in the afterlife.
On the other hand, He is All-Mighty in His sovereignty: He takes revenge of disbelievers, and they cannot escape His sentence.​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[JLM]

God is All-Mighty​

This is in the Quran 26: 9​

وَإِنَّ رَبَّكَ لَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الرَّحِيمُ​

The explanation:
(And your Lord [O Mohammed], indeed, is the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful.)​

Therefore, God is Most Merciful exclusively to believers in the afterlife. It means: His mercy will not include the disbelievers in the afterlife.
On the other hand, He is All-Mighty in His sovereignty: He takes revenge of disbelievers, and they cannot escape His sentence.​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

And the tooth fairy is paying $5000 for old teeth. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Cliffy]

Psycho-babble BS. Your god is a lunatic.

 

[eanassir]

And just what is wrong with poisonous snakes? Snakes are fully as much part of nature as any other animal, snakes fulfill valuable ecological functions. Many of the poisonous snakes (e.g. the coral snake or king cobra) are beautiful creatures.

And nothing wrong with ham ro bacon either (except for the irrational prejudices of Muslims). Nothing wrong with beef either (except for the irrational prejudices of Hindus).

I said about poisonous snakes; because she said: what is wrong with pig meat, hasn't God crreated it?
Therefore, I answered her about snakes: I meant: not everything God created is lawful and wholesom.

E.g. The black raven is forbidden to be eaten by man.

Some Muslims asked Prophet Mohammed: the black raven is available in large numbers; is it lawful to be eaten?

Therefore, this Quran aya 5: 100 was revealed:

قُل لاَّ يَسْتَوِي الْخَبِيثُ وَالطَّيِّبُ وَلَوْ أَعْجَبَكَ كَثْرَةُ الْخَبِيثِ فَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ يَا أُوْلِي الأَلْبَابِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ​

The explanation:​

(Say [Mohammed, to them]:​

The "corrupt" [like the black raven] and the "good" [like the chicken and sheep] are not equal, though the abundance of the "corrupt" attracts you [O man];​

so ward off [the punishment of] God, O intelligent men; haply so you will prosper.)​

Therefore, the black raven is a bird that eats carcasses of dead animals, and it is forbidden to eat the meat of the black raven and every other bird or animal that eats the carcasses of dead animals.​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[eanassir]

Well, he can look around with eyes and mind open and see what's really going on. My grandparents' generation was the first in history that could routinely expect most of its children to survive to adulthood, thanks entirely to human efforts in fields like medicine and hygiene. God had nothing to do with it, though he could have told us a long time ago about things like bacteria and viruses and certain elementary preventive measures. Evidently he chose not to and let billions of people die preventable premature deaths. You claim to be a physician, walk through a children's cancer ward or a geriatric ward some time and explain what you see in terms of god's mercy. You've blinded yourself to reality in order to maintain your mythology.

p.s. It may be a complete surprise to you, but intelligent women can do this too.

It is God That cures the patient​

So you think that God has nothing to do with curing the patient and healing the diseased.​

I tell you that a rich patient with poliomyelitis was sent to Europe to be treated, and it was useless, and another poor with the same polio disease, and his family could not afford sending him abroad for treatment, and this latter was cured.​

Although medicine and science is essential and is to be sought and exploited to achieve the prosperity of man, and in fact God gave man much knowledge which is only relatively very little to God's knowledge. ​

Therefore, I ask you: are the diseases in the West less than the diseases in the East?​

Not at all, but the diseases differ according to each community.​

The cancers and malignant diseases, psychiatric illnesses, and other incurable diseases like the AIDS are more prevalent in the West; while infectious diseases and many other diseases are more in the Eastern countries.​

And I am much grateful to God Most Gracious (not like the ungrateful atheist and disbeliever): when I was resident in the internship of medicine in the hospital at 1973/1974, we were four junior doctors and were very tired: from day duty in the clinical ward to the night duty in outpatient clinic in a major city; and I was very tired, and asked God to help me, and I slept that night peacefully with deep sleep, and no patient came and awoke me from sleep till dawn or morning. And that happened many times. Who then answered my prayer and calmed the patients in that major city so they did not come until morning?​

Moreover, you think that the cure from diseases is according to man's will and science; then you should know that patients in the ancient times had their treatment by their local doctors and they became cured or worsened just like the modern patient with his modern doctor and modern medicine.​

So Who is doing all this: the patient falls ill, then is cured or getting worse?
Because the suffering of diseases and the suffering of poverty …etc. are among the afflictions in the life of the World, while the aim is the next spiritual afterlife.​

([Abraham also said]:
"[God] Who created me, and it is He Who guides me."
"And it is He Who gives me food and drink."
"And when I am sick, He heals me.")​

The above is the explanation of the Quran 26: 78-80​

...وَإِذَا مَرِضْتُ فَهُوَ يَشْفِينِ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[AnnaG]

More illogical, religious dogma. Go figure.

 

[Praxius]

If there is anything to be taken out of this thread that is true.... it's that online forums are not the best avenue to recruit people into your religion.

God's "Mercy" or God being the most Merciful above everything else is a joke, not just by common sense and reasoning of the average person, but also through prime examples explained above in religious quotes that show how this so-called "Mercy" is contradictory and subject to certain parameters.

"His mercy involves all people: the believer and the non-believer in this World, and His mercy will exclusively be for believers in the afterlife."

His so-called Mercy is given to everybody... believers and non-believers.... right up until you die, which is when his Mercy goes to crap and he picks and chooses who gets his mercy and who is cast down into hell and suffers horribly for all eternity.

Doesn't sound like mercy to me... it sounds like a conditional contract.

Do this for me, and in return, I'll do this for you..... if you don't do this for me, when it comes time to collect, I'm gonna break yer friggin legz regardless if you agree to this contract or not.

That's not Mercy, that's a Loan Shark.

And as it goes for his so-called mercy in our everyday lives, believer and non, that's pretty questionable, because if he was indeed, all merciful and such, he would show mercy on people by preventing their illnesses, suffering and early ending of their lives from one reason or another, so that those people can grow and learn that these actions to protect them are indeed from an all merciful god.

But instead, we're left to our own devices, genocides occur, religious wars exist, women are beaten and raped, innocent bystanders are shot up in drive bys...

.... hell, the finger of God came down on the US not too long ago and wiped out people's homes and killed loved ones (Tornadoes).... Earthquakes, Tidal Waves, Hurricanes, Floods, lightening strikes.... all so-called "Acts of God" that end up killing countless people around the world each year..... yet he's the most merciful entity in existence?

As I said in previous posts on page one (that seemed to have been avoided for some reason) I've seen, met and know of plenty of humans who are more merciful then God, who help and aid those in great need by any means at their disposal, regardless of their beliefs, race, age, sex, or other differences..... these people see humans and other living creatures in need.... they, on their own free will, will help others because they believe it's the right thing to do.

To claim some God who has more power and ability to do anything one can think of, is somehow more merciful, is a joke..... he picks and chooses who get's his mercy, and in reality, the only mercy of his that really counts in this discussion is the mercy he shows when someone dies since the mercy he "gives to all" in our current lives is impossible to prove as true, compared to being just random acts of nature or mankind..... he's prejudice when it comes to giving his mercy to someone and only gives mercy to those who fit in his little criteria.

If one doesn't fit this criteria, he seems to have no issue in being a sadist and sending these people off to be tortured and to suffer like bugs under a 6 year old's magnifying glass.

And that's the real kicker.... If someone is saved from some tragedy, it's the work of God.... but if someone dies or suffers something horrible.... suddenly it's mankind's fault, or some scientific explanation is pulled out of nowhere to sway the blame from God to something or someone else.... so that God remains infallible.

Or maybe it's all a part of "God's Plan." ~ If God has a plan and everything is supposed to go by this plan, if people are supposed to escape one tragedy, while others die from another because of some already pre-determined plan.... then not only does he already know who will believe in him and who won't (Thus some are doomed the moment they're born).... but that takes away any logical purpose of the existence of everything we know, including ourselves, because it's already known ahead of time and we're just going through the motions like pre-programmed robots.... we're going to end up going to heaven, or we're going to rot in hell for all eternity.... so why even bother to try?

 

[DurkaDurka]

I can understand some people using the bible/Koran/Torah as a tool to guide them selves by, but these people who believe every single line of these books as the word of God are nuts.

 

[AnnaG]

Here's some of Allah's mercy:

Those are kids dump scrounging for food.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Here's some of Allah's mercy:

Those are kids dump scrounging for food.

Sister Anna, let me add to your post"
Institutional Islamic Violence Against Women Video ?zle ?ndir - ?zles.net
and
Allah Order You To Beat Your Wife So You Should Do It Video ?zle ?ndir - ?zles.net
and I can't forget this one. The sight of a man in a modern suit explaining why a woman should be beaten (but hey! Lightly - don't make her bleed or leave any marks!), and justify it because she was made from a 'crooked rib'? Hey Einasser - explain that to me - God/Allah doesn't make mistakes, but YOUR people have decided that he did - he made women from a 'crooked rib'. Can you be any more arrogant? My guess? No paradise for you guys! Making a judgement call on God/Allah's creation - how rude!
:Debate On Wife Beating As Instructed In Quran Video ?zle ?ndir - ?zles.net

 

[eanassir]

If there is anything to be taken out of this thread that is true....
God's "Mercy" or God being the most Merciful above everything else
Doesn't sound like mercy to me... it sounds like a conditional contract.

Do this for me, and in return, I'll do this for you.....
.... hell, the finger of God came down on the US not too long ago and wiped out people's homes and killed loved ones (Tornadoes).... Earthquakes, Tidal Waves, Hurricanes, Floods, lightening strikes.... all so-called "Acts of God" that end up killing countless people around the world each year..... yet he's the most merciful entity in existence?

As I said in previous posts on page one (that seemed to have been avoided for some reason) ..... these people see humans and other living creatures in need.... they, on their own free will, will help others because they believe it's the right thing to do.

..... he picks and chooses who get's his mercy, and in reality, the only mercy of his that really counts in this discussion is the mercy he shows when someone dies since the mercy he "gives to all" in our current lives is impossible to prove as true, compared to being just random acts of nature or mankind.....

Part 1
Truly, I didn't avoid your words intentionally.
And I respect your words, unless they include some transgression on the position of God Most Gracious.

When Moses people dared asking him that they should see God manifestly with their own eyes, so they might believe his words, or else they would not believe. Moses said to them: Beware of God; God cannot be seen by the eyesight. But they insisted on their demand.

So they went with Moses (they were seventy men), and they were then thunder-stricken and died, while Moses dropped down unconcious, when God revealed His glory to the Mount Horeb: the mountain started shaking then was smashed to dust.

Then when Moses regained his consciousness, and saw the seventy men of his people dead, he prayed God to revive them, so He revived them and said to Moses:

(Said [God]:
"My chastisement I afflict with it whomever I will [the wrong-doers that are misguided],
and My mercy [: My Paradise] includes all things [in the planets: Paradise is the ethereal issue of the planets]; ​

therefore, I shall ordain it [His mercy or Paradise] for those: ​

who ward off [the association and the disobedience], and pay the Zakat [alms], and those who do believe in Our revelations."​

Such as follow the messenger, [Mohammed] the illiterate prophet, whom they find described in the Torah and the Gospel [which are] with them: ​

>> enjoining on them that which is right and forbidding them that which is wrong, ​

>> making lawful for them all the good things and prohibiting for them only the foul; ​

>> and relieving them of the burden [of their covenant] and the bounds that were on them. ​

Then those who believe in him, and assist him, and help him, and follow the light [: the Quran] which is sent down with him: they are the successful.​

Say [Mohammed, to them]: "O mankind, I am sent to you all, by God Who owns the heavens and the earth; there is no god but He [alone]; He gives life and causes death. ​

Believe, then, [O people] in God, [but do not associate anything or anyone with Him], and in His messenger: the illiterate prophet [: Mohammed], who believes in God and His words [: the Ten Commandments inscribed on the Tablets], and follow him that you may be guided [to the way of the truth.]")​

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 7: 156-158​

قَالَ عَذَابِي أُصِيبُ بِهِ مَنْ أَشَاء وَرَحْمَتِي وَسِعَتْ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ ..الخ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​