Your deduction is wrong; the correct is: He built them but did not oblige them to be wrong-doer and idolaters; on the contrary He warned them of the consequences of such idolatry.
Retorting the Atheist
None is more merciful than God Most Gracious
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Your deduction is wrong; the correct is: He built them but did not oblige them to be wrong-doer and idolaters; on the contrary He warned them of the consequences of such idolatry.
Retorting the Atheist
The life of the World is not the goal; the next spiritual life is the purpose: where man will live for millions of years.
All creatures are limited and restricted:
Man and all other created beings are limited and restricted in everything: if he lifts 40kg, he cannot lift 50kg; and if he runs at a certain speed, he cannot run faster. Similarly are all his thinking and other capabilities.
God restricted all His creatures, or else His created being will be like god. The creature whatever it be is limited and restricted; but God is Infinite and His might is unlimited and unrestricted.
The suffering in the life of the World:
So man in the life of the World suffers much of everything from his birth till his death; and he needs His Creator God Almighty and Most Gracious.
So man in the life of the World suffers much of everything from his birth till his death; and he needs His Creator God Almighty and Most Gracious.
The needs of man are many and everyday man has other needs: if he desires to have a son, next day he will desire to have another son or daughter; if he desires for a house and God gives him what he required of Him, he next year will desire to have a wider house with a wider garden …etc.
So man in this life of the World is always suffering, then comes God's mercy and grace to moderate his suffering and ease his way.
The purpose is the afterlife:
The purpose or the aim is the next spiritual life not this material life in this World.
The purpose or the aim is the next spiritual life not this material life in this World.
This World is only a school: a primary school where man learns skills and acquires experience until he is about 40 years when his mind will mature and his wisdom is about complete.
At the same time this Woldly life is only an examination and checking and trial to attain his grade in the next afterlife.
How man acquires his knowledge and experience:
That is through suffering and experiencing the happiness and the misery, the health and the disease, the richness and poverty …etc. So if he does not feel ill sometimes, he will not know what the blessing of the health is, and if he does not suffer the economic need, he will not know what the richness grace …etc.
The affliction of man in this World:
Moreover, whatever hard circumstances face man, it will be better for him (if he is devoted to God alone and forbears patiently and do not blaspheme), while he is usually unaware of that.
Moreover, whatever hard circumstances face man, it will be better for him (if he is devoted to God alone and forbears patiently and do not blaspheme), while he is usually unaware of that.
E.g. the young child is very dear to man, but when God tries him with the death of his son, it will be very difficult like a stabbing in the heart; to this many men blaspheme and revile God Most Gracious;
while if he forbears patiently he will go to Paradise and find his son still a young child alive there and he will be delighted with him; and none in Paradise has any child of his own excepting the one whose child died in the Word; because the soul does not grow but will remain as it is: if he dies a child, his spiritual soul in Paradise will be a child.
The afflictions are because of the sins and disobedience:
In addition, the sins of people will bring on them the punishment: if they steal the property of each other and wrong each other and the weak will complain to God, God then will punish that community and that wrong-doing man or community.
In addition, the sins of people will bring on them the punishment: if they steal the property of each other and wrong each other and the weak will complain to God, God then will punish that community and that wrong-doing man or community.
Such punishment includes many incurable diseases like the cancers and AIDS…etc.
The reason why God is Merciful to Christians and disbelievers in this World:
And when people are merciful to each other, then God will be Merciful to them; like Christians: many of them are merciful to each other and cooperate with each other and their mercy extended to involve the animals
à so God has been Merciful to them in this World only and has given them their recompense [of their good work] in this World only, but in the afterlife they will lose because many of them denied the Quran and Prophet Mohammed: His apostle and the religion of the Islam and devotion to God alone.
[This is drived from the Quran interpretation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible.]
Those who know Arabic see the interpretation of the ayat 4: 29, 30
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Some manifestations of God's mercy and grace
· The kindness of the parents, particularly of the mother to her baby is some of God's kindness and mercy; because it is He That inserted such kindness and mercy and made it part of the instincts.
Without such kindness of the parents the children will certainly perish.
(And God has made wives for you, of your likeness,
and has made for you – of your wives – sons and grandsons;
and He has provided you of the 'good and wholesome things'.
and has made for you – of your wives – sons and grandsons;
and He has provided you of the 'good and wholesome things'.
Will they then believe in vain things, and be ungrateful for God's grace?)
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 16: 72
وَاللّهُ جَعَلَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَاجًا وَجَعَلَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَزْوَاجِكُم بَنِينَ وَحَفَدَةً وَرَزَقَكُم مِّنَ الطَّيِّبَاتِ أَفَبِالْبَاطِلِ يُؤْمِنُونَ وَبِنِعْمَتِ اللّهِ هُمْ يَكْفُرُونَ
· The mutual love and inclining of the husband to his wife is another kind of God's mercy. This will make the family ties and the ease of the suffering of both the man and the woman because of their comfort with each other.
(And of His signs is this: [that] He has created for you, of yourselves [likeness], wives in whom you may repose, and has made between you [mutual] affection and mercy. Surely, in that are [indicative] signs to a people who contemplate. )
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 30: 21
وَمِنْ آيَاتِهِ أَنْ خَلَقَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَاجًا لِّتَسْكُنُوا إِلَيْهَا وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَكُم مَّوَدَّةً وَرَحْمَةً إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ
Other manifestations of God's mercy and grace:
· The home and habitation:
(And God has made your homes as an abode for you,
and has made for you [also], of the hides of cattle [portable] homes which you find light [to carry] on the day that you journey and on the day you abide;
and of their wool and their camel-fur and their hair: furnishings and comfort for a while [before the coming of your death.]
· The home and habitation:
(And God has made your homes as an abode for you,
and has made for you [also], of the hides of cattle [portable] homes which you find light [to carry] on the day that you journey and on the day you abide;
and of their wool and their camel-fur and their hair: furnishings and comfort for a while [before the coming of your death.]
And God has made for you, out of the things He created, something to give you shade; has made for you small homes in the mountains, has made for you garments to protect you from heat, and coats [of mail] to protect you from your violence.
As such will He perfect His grace on you that you may submit [to Him.])
As such will He perfect His grace on you that you may submit [to Him.])
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 16: 80
وَاللّهُ جَعَلَ لَكُم مِّن بُيُوتِكُمْ سَكَنًا وَجَعَلَ لَكُم مِّن جُلُودِ الأَنْعَامِ بُيُوتًا تَسْتَخِفُّونَهَا يَوْمَ ظَعْنِكُمْ وَيَوْمَ إِقَامَتِكُمْ وَمِنْ أَصْوَافِهَا وَأَوْبَارِهَا وَأَشْعَارِهَا أَثَاثًا وَمَتَاعًا إِلَى حِينٍ
· The cattle and riding-animal:
(And the cattle – He created them; wherein is warmth and many advantages for you, and whereof you eat.
In them is there beauty for you [people] when you drive them home to rest, and when you drive them forth to graze.
And [camels] carry your heavy loads to a country which you cannot [otherwise] reach unless with much trouble to yourselves; for your Lord is Most Kind [and] Most Merciful.
And horses, and mules and asses, for you to ride, and an adornment; and He creates what you know not.)
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 16: 5-8
وَتَحْمِلُ أَثْقَالَكُمْ إِلَى بَلَدٍ لَّمْ تَكُونُواْ بَالِغِيهِ إِلاَّ بِشِقِّ الأَنفُسِ إِنَّ رَبَّكُمْ لَرَؤُوفٌ رَّحِيمٌ ...الخ
Why did your god create pigs yet you refuse to eat them? Pig meat is delicious and I highly recommend you try it. If I was a muslim, I would be unable to resist bacon.
"Why did your god create pigs yet you refuse to eat them? Pig meat is delicious and I highly recommend you try it. If I was a muslim, I would be unable to resist bacon."
DurkaDurka, seems that the most merciful Allah finally granted me the priviledge and pleasure to agree with you!
In my life I have had many Muslim friends. They all ate ham, bacon and pork chops, then washed it down with a healthy swig of alcohol.
DurkaDurka, seems that the most merciful Allah finally granted me the priviledge and pleasure to agree with you!
In my life I have had many Muslim friends. They all ate ham, bacon and pork chops, then washed it down with a healthy swig of alcohol.
God also created poisonous snakes; so not everything God created, He made lawful; the pork is forbidden in the Torah of Moses as is it forbidden in the Quran. And although Christians claim it is not forbidden, but actually Jesus commanded them to follow the Law of Moses in which the pork or bacon is forbidden.
I advise you also not to eat of the pork or bacon because of its serious consequences on decreasing the jealousy of man. The other factor in decreasing the jealosy of man is the alcohol drinking.
We have been blessed I suppose.
I have known some Muslim colleagues to go out for beers after work, but they were pretty mush non-practicing as far as I could tell. Life is too short to have your died restricted by Mo.
I don't eat poisonous snakes though, so that's not really relevant.
I had a large bacon sandwich this morning with no side effects other then a desire for another.
You don't know what you are missing, Eanassir, bacon is a gift from God. If you ever come to Toronto, I'll take you out for some beers & bacon. :smile:
"I advise you also not to eat of the pork or bacon because of its serious consequences on decreasing the jealousy of man. The other factor in decreasing the jealosy of man is the alcohol drinking."
Jealousy is a sin, isn't it?
So, decreasing it would be a virtue, wouldn't it?
BTW, the most rigid Wahabbi Saudi Arabian diplomats are the greatest gluttons for pork and alcohol - when they are not home. Also parking violators.
Jealousy is a sin, isn't it?
So, decreasing it would be a virtue, wouldn't it?
BTW, the most rigid Wahabbi Saudi Arabian diplomats are the greatest gluttons for pork and alcohol - when they are not home. Also parking violators.
Durka, you advise me with this, but on my turn I advise you not to eat pork, bacon nor to drink beer or alcohol, (see my reply #67
but eat and drink of all other wholesome and lawful foods.
If you come one day to Baghdad and be my guest, I shall eat together with you the most delicious sheep meat and river fish, and at breakfast the dibis of the dates and cream of the buffalo milk at morning breakfast :smile:
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This is not the jealousy which I mean: the jealousy that the male sheep or cock show to defend its female partner and not allowing others to come near to them.
The pig is defective in this aspect, and invites other males to its female and does not pay attention to this, contrary to all other animals like the sheep, the cock, the goat the ox ...etc.
For this reason, it was specifically forbidden apart from all other animals (in the Torah and the Quran.)
And there may be another reason.
I dare you to go grab the wife of a pork rind chomping redneck and see if the pork has inhibited his jealous reactions or not. :lol:
There may be other reasons also, we may know some of them and do not know others; but anyhow it is forbidden in the Torah (included in the Old Testament or the Law) as it is forbidden in the Quran.
Moreover, Jesus commanded his followers to stick to the Law statements.
Therefore, all these three heavenly books agree about the forbidding of this animal in particular; why is this? what do you think?
Certainly the swine is aggressive, but in this respect its behavior among its herd it behaves as such: different from other birds (like the cock) and cattle (like the sheep, the goat and the ox).
Once, I noticed a male sheep goring with a male goat which was stronger and bigger than it, and evenso he kept defending and hitting that goat and did not submit.
So then why even mention mercy in this world when it isn't applied in this world? That's just stupid.
If you make some search in the Bible you will know that you are wrong; like this aya in the Torah, the Book of Exodus, 34: 6
"Yahweh passed by before him, and proclaimed, "Yahweh! Yahweh, a merciful and gracious God, slow to anger, and abundant in loving kindness and truth,"
And in the 2 chronicle " for Yahweh your God is gracious and merciful,"
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The stupidity is to antagonize God Most Gracious.
His mercy involves all people: the believer and the non-believer in this World, and His mercy will exclusively be for believers in the afterlife.