None is more merciful than God Most Gracious

[Cliffy]

If God said the beer is allowed in moderate quantity, who would guaranty people will be moderate? And what is this moderation limits?

Moreover, even the little amount of alcohol will have its influence and effect on the body tissues including the liver and the brain cells. Such effect will accumulate gradually leading to dangerous outcome of liver cirrhosis and brain cortex cells atrophy, specially of the frontal lobe leading to the early dementia: loss of recent memory and delerium and tremor ..etc.

In addition, the danger of the alcohol is evident to any just man: most of the crimes and quarrels issue from the drunkenness; because the drunken will lose at least some of his sound judgment and mind and conciousness, and his behavior will not be like the conscious man, and when the effect of the drunkenness disappear, he will mostly regret and feel sorry.

This is what happens o the religious too. It is the opiate of the masses and has caused all sorts of war, death, crimes against humanity and destruction throughout history. Religion is the scourge of humanity. We do not need religion to communicate with our creator, to know right from wrong or anything else that religions tell us we need. They are only in it for the money and control.

 

[eanassir]

A merciful god wouldn't massacre a large number of people, innocent ones included, just because they did something that wasn't good. Especially since the god built them that way to begin with. A merciful god would forgive them and teach them the right thing. A merciful god would lead by example.

God is more merciful than all the merciful are.

If you have a child and you leave him without disciplining, will his behavior be like the other child that you discipline?

So leaving your children without rewarding at some instances and punishing at other times will lead to their corruption.

Moreover, if the government leave people to their own accord and behavior: they will wrong each other and transgress on the rights of the weak; therefore the government is obliged to make courts of justice and make laws for punishing and judgment and made jails to imprison the criminals.

So if the criminal is left to transgress on people, kill them and steal their property, and all the individual will be alike in dealing with the innocent and the criminal; is this logical?

In addition, you said "Especially since the god built them that way to begin with." What do you mean by this?

And you said: "A merciful god would forgive them and teach them the right thing. A merciful god would lead by example."

He in fact forgives them and teaches them, but they insist on their transgression and wrong-doing and ingratitude.

 

[eanassir]

This is what happens o the religious too. It is the opiate of the masses and has caused all sorts of war, death, crimes against humanity and destruction throughout history. Religion is the scourge of humanity.

This is true concerning the religion of idolatry and the associating of patrons with God; but it is certainly not the religion of God.

In fact the tyrants: the associaters and idolaters and the charlatans: the tyrants the enemy of God and His religion of the monotheism and devotion to God alone; these enemy of God cause wars and suffering.

While Prophet Mohammed fought those who fought him and drove him from his home town, killed some of his companions and robbed their property, and brought the armies against him; so what would he do? Would he let them kill him and his companions?

We do not need religion to communicate with our creator, to know right from wrong or anything else that religions tell us we need. They are only in it for the money and control.

God wants our benefit and advantage: His purpose from His instructions is to let us have advantage and benefit and avoid the dangers and abominations.

 

[AnnaG]

God is more merciful than all the merciful are.

The evidence for this is lacking.

If you have a child and you leave him without disciplining, will his behavior be like the other child that you discipline?

Maybe.Some are inherently good kids, some aren't.

So leaving your children without rewarding at some instances and punishing at other times will lead to their corruption.

Sometimes.

Moreover, if the government leave people to their own accord and behavior: they will wrong each other and transgress on the rights of the weak; therefore the government is obliged to make courts of justice and make laws for punishing and judgment and made jails to imprison the criminals.

Isn't it funny that those rotten terrible human beings built governments without the aid of government?

So if the criminal is left to transgress on people, kill them and steal their property, and all the individual will be alike in dealing with the innocent and the criminal; is this logical?

What?

In addition, you said "Especially since the god built them that way to begin with." What do you mean by this?

The creator created people to be the way they are. If the people are bad, the creator enabled them to be. If they are good, the creator enabled them to be good.

And you said: "A merciful god would forgive them and teach them the right thing. A merciful god would lead by example."

He in fact forgives them and teaches them, but they insist on their transgression and wrong-doing and ingratitude.

So he kills them instead of fixing them? What a weak-minded, inept god.

 

[eanassir]

The creator created people to be the way they are. If the people are bad, the creator enabled them to be. If they are good, the creator enabled them to be good.

This is not true; I tell you how this is:
God created people and gave them the free choice (not like the bee); then He acquainted them about the way of the truth and the way of falsehood and ingratitude.
So some of them chose to follow the way of truth, and others chose to be ungrateful and infidels.

(We have created man from a "scanty [seminal] fluid" with sperms, mixed [with the ovum of woman], to try him [to see whether he comply to, or rebel against, Our commands], and have made him hear and see.

We have shown to him the [correct] way; [and have given to him the choice] whether to be grateful or ungrateful.

Surely, We have prepared, for unbelievers, chains and shackles [binding hands to necks] and a blazing fire.

Surely, those charitable [in the World] shall drink [in Paradise] a cup of wine mixed with Kafoor.

[There in Paradise is] a [water-] spring from which the [righteous] servants of God shall drink [and at which they shall bathe] and make it gush out [as they please.])

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 76: 2-6
​

إِنَّا خَلَقْنَا الْإِنسَانَ مِن نُّطْفَةٍ أَمْشَاجٍ نَّبْتَلِيهِ فَجَعَلْنَاهُ سَمِيعًا بَصِيرًا . إِنَّا هَدَيْنَاهُ السَّبِيلَ إِمَّا شَاكِرًا وَإِمَّا كَفُورًا . إِنَّا أَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَافِرِينَ سَلَاسِلَا وَأَغْلَالًا وَسَعِيرًا . إِنَّ الْأَبْرَارَ يَشْرَبُونَ مِن كَأْسٍ كَانَ مِزَاجُهَا كَافُورًا . عَيْنًا يَشْرَبُ بِهَا عِبَادُ اللَّهِ يُفَجِّرُونَهَا تَفْجِيرًا​

So he kills them instead of fixing them?

He kills them if they insist on their wrong-doing and disbelief and refuse to repent and reform their conduct.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[AnnaG]

This is not true; I tell you how this is:
God created people and gave them the free choice (not like the bee); then He acquainted them about the way of the truth and the way of falsehood and ingratitude.
So some of them chose to follow the way of truth, and others chose to be ungrateful and infidels.

But this god built them to be this way, so ultimately it is the god's own fault that some humans are bad.
If I hand you a apple pie to hold and you eat it, then I hit you because you ate the pie, it's my own fault because I gave you the pie in the first place.

 

[eanassir]

But this god built them to be this way, so ultimately it is the god's own fault that some humans are bad.
If I hand you a apple pie to hold and you eat it, then I hit you because you ate the pie, it's my own fault because I gave you the pie in the first place.

I told you God did not command them to follow the bad conduct; on the contrary He warned them not to follow such bad conduct and explained to them by His envoy: the apostles and by His revealed books; but some of them chose to act contrary to this.

And He gave them the apple to eat, but some of them chose to eat the thorn.

 

[GreenFish66]

Who are we to say what God is ?..iITt is what it is ... GOD ...Just is ..

Peace or pieces ?

Peace...

 

[AnnaG]

I told you God did not command them to follow the bad conduct; on the contrary He warned them not to follow such bad conduct and explained to them by His envoy: the apostles and by His revealed books; but some of them chose to act contrary to this.

So? He built them, so he built them to be disobedient.

And He gave them the apple to eat, but some of them chose to eat the thorn.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[eanassir]

eanassir, whats up there eh bud?

Hi Johnnny, eh?

Are you from the Arab countries in origin: I know a young man called Johny: he is nice; is it you Johnnny?

 

[eanassir]

So? He built them, so he built them to be disobedient.

He does not build them to be disobedient: on the contrary He required them to be believers and work righteous work.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

It has, but you close your eyes lest you should know the truth about God as One God and the beautiful names of God.

 

[GreenFish66]

As God is ...We evolve our idea's as to what God is ...As we are not God..

 

[eanassir]

Who are we to say what God is ?..iITt is what it is ... GOD ...Just is ..

Peace or pieces ?

Peace...

It is God Himself That said in the Quran 5: 98
اعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ وَأَنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

The explanation:
(Know God is Terrible in retribution, and God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful)

 

[AnnaG]

He does not build them to be disobedient: on the contrary He required them to be believers and work righteous work.

So this god only built good humans. Interesting. Who built the rest of them?

It has, but you close your eyes lest you should know the truth about God as One God and the beautiful names of God.

It has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[GreenFish66]

It's all a matter of interpretation .Philosophy....No one speaks the language of God... All are in the state of transition/transformation /Evolution ...Becoming ...God is the "Wholeness"..The Universe..The complete ..The 1 ..God said " Let there be light ,and there was" ( as was apparently written by primitive animals, trying to be humans , trying to become angels ..) ...

Didn't say he was "THE LIGHT"...

Philosophy only gets you so far ...After that you need a greater understanding ...Science...



Peace or pieces?...

Peace...

 

[theconqueror]

hey eanassir, psst. Don't tell the others why god chose us and not them. Don't give our secrets away either. let them drown alone without the knowlege of god, he might have other plans for them.

 

[eanassir]

So this god only built good humans. Interesting. Who built the rest of them?

God created all people, explained to them the way of the truth and devotion to Him alone on one hand, and on the other hand the way of falsehood, idolatry and associating others with Him;

then He gave to them the free choice: to choose what way they like: one of the two ways; so the believer chose the guidance and the disbeliever chose the error and idolatry.

(We have shown to him [man] the [correct] way; [and have given to him the choice] whether to be grateful or ungrateful.)

The above in blue between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 76: 3​

إِنَّا هَدَيْنَاهُ السَّبِيلَ إِمَّا شَاكِرًا وَإِمَّا كَفُورًا​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/
​

 

[eanassir]

hey eanassir, psst. Don't tell the others why god chose us and not them. Don't give our secrets away either. let them drown alone without the knowlege of god, he might have other plans for them.

There is no secret:
if you associate Jesus and The patron saint with God Almighty, you will lose in the afterlife,
and no redemption or intercession will avail you and anyone that associates Jesus, the saints, imams, shaikhs, Ali or anyother being, besides God Most Gracious.

Q25

Q26

 

[darkbeaver]

If God said the beer is allowed in moderate quantity, who would guaranty people will be moderate? And what is this moderation limits?

You have forgotten the privilage of choice god has given all of us as her main culling tool. We do not need to be spoon fed every bit of comonsence. God helps them who help themselves. He has many things to do and probably dosn't want to spend the time protecting those stupid enough to drink to excess.

Moreover, even the little amount of alcohol will have its influence and effect on the body tissues including the liver and the brain cells. Such effect will accumulate gradually leading to dangerous outcome of liver cirrhosis and brain cortex cells atrophy, specially of the frontal lobe leading to the early dementia: loss of recent memory and delerium and tremor ..etc.

It can, but constant consumption of processed food will do the same thing faster. Where is the law against eating crap?

In addition, the danger of the alcohol is evident to any just man: most of the crimes and quarrels issue from the drunkenness; because the drunken will lose at least some of his sound judgment and mind and conciousness, and his behavior will not be like the conscious man, and when the effect of the drunkenness disappear, he will mostly regret and feel sorry.

Obviously and unmistakably part of gods filtration system to keep the weak and stupid and damaged from getting into heaven. This type of interference in gods plan could be considered stepping out of bounds. I would suggest a giant dose of humility, you are overstepping your bounds trying to impose liquor rules on other groups of people when you know full well the rules were meant for Muslims exclusively on account of their beautiful delicate natures. . Why can't you let god get on with her plan instead of constantly trying to get your hands on the steering wheel.:lol:

As in the Quran 5: 91

إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ الشَّيْطَانُ أَن يُوقِعَ بَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَاء فِي الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ وَيَصُدَّكُمْ عَن ذِكْرِ اللّهِ وَعَنِ الصَّلاَةِ فَهَلْ أَنتُم مُّنتَهُونَ

The explanation:
( Satan intends only to
>> excite enmity and hatred between you by means of wine and gambling,
>> and to turn you away from remembrance of God and from prayer.

Will you then have done?)

Therefore, it can't be that any prophet or apostle came and made the alcohol drinks lawful. Even just people who are not prophets and some of them are not religious and they stood firm against the alcohol.

I come from a long line of Beaker people my ancestors reinvented mead and beer under appointment of her majesty, God. Do not insist on breaking that liquid covenant.


Evidently, it is a big problem and its serious consequences are so obvious.

Proabition dosn't work.

 

[AnnaG]

God created all people, explained to them the way of the truth and devotion to Him alone on one hand, and on the other hand the way of falsehood, idolatry and associating others with Him;

then He gave to them the free choice: to choose what way they like: one of the two ways; so the believer chose the guidance and the disbeliever chose the error and idolatry.

(We have shown to him [man] the [correct] way; [and have given to him the choice] whether to be grateful or ungrateful.)

The above in blue between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 76: 3​

إِنَّا هَدَيْنَاهُ السَّبِيلَ إِمَّا شَاكِرًا وَإِمَّا كَفُورًا​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/
​

The key phrase there is "He gave to them the free choice". In other words, he built them to be the way they are so if people go bad it is this god's own fault.
I see nothing merciful about babies with genetic disorders, diseases, malnutrition, etc. So far I've shown more concern for the kids of the world than any god and I am only human.