Sixth Annual Israeli Apartheid Week

Are all human being entitled to fundamental human rights?

  • Yes, all people are entitled to food, clothing, shelter, medicine...

    Votes: 11 64.7%
  • No, only some people are entitled to human rights.

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Palestinians don't qualify as human beings.

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • Total voters
    17

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300,000 dead in the Sudan.....and these people want to boycott Israel......
Far as the vote is concerned it is for further investigation, no boycott. The odd thing is with complaints is they seem to be geared to the Government being the one to lodge the complaint for the way another Nation is acting towards them. A ruling Government is usually the ones causing the deaths and mayhem inside their own country, they aren't likely to be the ones turning themselves in, so there has to be some method for civil war to also covered as being equal to external threats.
The death squads in South America should have been investigated and prosecuted by some court that is impartial. Why would investigations (of complaints) be left to the aggressors, that is a recipe for disaster. In the above divide the ones against should do the investigative work that need to be done on Hamas and a similar choice for the ones that voted for a deeper investigation to investigate Israel. All that material is then reviewed by a panel from the absent or abstained group.
 

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Irrelevent? Who says no aid was allowed in,
The Goldstone report charged that Israel was denying food to the Palestinians. That is patently false.

I suspect you are promoting another thing that has no factual basis.
If you had read the report, you wouldn't make such idiotic assertions.

Do you have a limit on the number oof lies you can tell a day?
I don't lie, I pass on facts. How about you try reading the actual report before you go trying to argue it.

How much was it before if that is what they allowed in as part of fulfilling their agreement?
That had nothing to do with any agreement, they simply ceased fire almost every day at about 1pm to allow trucks through to deliver aid. It was Hamas that kept attacking while Israel was allowing food and aid in. Hamas subsequently hijacked several loads of aid, prompting the UN SG to condemn the act.

A fact left out of both the Goldstone report, and eao's list of Hamas war crimes.

Bear I thought in a some thread we were on that you mentioned you lost some respect/faith (something similar) with the Native leaders because they had become as corrupt as the their conquerors are.
Irrelevant. My ethnicity and my heritage has no bearing on this topic. It is simply an attempt to smear and attack me purposely, using racial undertones and without merit.

If you continue, I will report your posts for what they are.

The same corruption they adopted is the same thing that is happening to a different people these days.
Not at all. Most of the leaders in my community have no need of violence. They certainly have not waged a violent and bloody war on the people Canada. The only comparison is, that we the Natives of Canada, are much like the Israeli's. In that one day, we will be fighting someone else for our own land.
The only point worth bringing forward is the 'build-up' to cast lead. Israel says it is because of the last 8 years and the 12,000 rockets and other acts like suicide bombers.
Although I do not remember there being any suicide bombings, you're pretty close.
How many complaints did Israel make to the UN during that time?
I have no idea how many, but I do know that one such complaint was before the Security Council, and a non punitive declaration was levy against Palestine for the rocket attacks. Which of course are an actual targeting of Israeli citizens, another war crime eao and yourself have missed.
Some incidents were costly in civilian lives. Israel wasn't sitting back for even an 'attack' that didn't claim any lives. Nor were the current 'leaders' in power for that whole period of time.
True, which is why I personally question Israel's action on the matter.
To use that earlier date as the 'base' then any step to a true cease-fire in the months prior was made in bad faith. While signing cease-fire documents the war room was putting the final touches on operation cast lead.
I think you should ease up on the dope.

The false-flag tunnel incident was done with the intention off seeing an increase in rocket attacks.
There's more proof you need to ease up on the dope.

Once the above is added to Israel's original report they cover quite a bit of the complaints. This next link covers some of the complaints that have been 'shelved'.
Your point?

The only one I had reservations about is the flour mill. If Israel had control of the compound for 3 days they could have put the shell casings on the roof.
Conspiracy theories make your argument weak.
The reason they gave for not using the roof was because it 'would make them easy targets' seems a bit much in that they targeted the building because they said there were snipers there.
Army training is far more complex and drastically different then insurgent training.

With close air support (gunships) anybody on the roof during the rifle-fire portion would have been sitting ducks from. The ruling that it could be used for snipers means anything that would be high-ground is a valid target.
Yes!!! This is simple military strategy 101. If you had any knowledge of military tactics, you would know this. But you don't, so here we are.

Buildings (the flour-mill) wasn't the high ground, the helicopters and drones of Israel was the high-ground.
:roll:

I'm quite sure they make tank shells that are designed to start fires rather than scatter the building across the landscape.
Here's a link to a picture of the flour mill after Cast Lead. Take a look and rethink your comment...

http://mondoweiss.net/images/elbaderflourmill.jpg
If the bomb that was 'found' there was not meant for there the serial # should be able to be tied to another target.
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Even with the Israeli update there are quite some incidents that are still not settled and the vote indicated the investigations continue.
Awesome. A illegitimate, unprofessional, bias, false and erroneous report triggers another investigation, that will use the same flawed techniques to come to the same erroneous conclusion. Just awesome.

So when will an impartial investigation begin? Or better yet, when will a real investigation begin on Hamas?

300,000 dead in the Sudan.....and these people want to boycott Israel......

Right.

And it is not that they hate Jews.

Right.
:lol:...Amazing ain't it?

Far as the vote is concerned it is for further investigation, no boycott. The odd thing is with complaints is they seem to be geared to the Government being the one to lodge the complaint for the way another Nation is acting towards them. A ruling Government is usually the ones causing the deaths and mayhem inside their own country, they aren't likely to be the ones turning themselves in, so there has to be some method for civil war to also covered as being equal to external threats.
The death squads in South America should have been investigated and prosecuted by some court that is impartial. Why would investigations (of complaints) be left to the aggressors, that is a recipe for disaster. In the above divide the ones against should do the investigative work that need to be done on Hamas and a similar choice for the ones that voted for a deeper investigation to investigate Israel. All that material is then reviewed by a panel from the absent or abstained group.
And none of that absolves you of bias, hatred and undue imbalance.

The crimes committed in the Sudan, outweigh anything, Israel has done.

Yet you and eao justify your hatred and hide it under the guise of "peace'. What utter BS.
 
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Irrelevent? Who says no aid was allowed in,​
The Goldstone report charged that Israel was denying food to the Palestinians. That is patently false.​
The fuel an food supplies for Oct 11 - Nov 21 is on this site. This is the highest it ever got during the cease-fire. I have read the stats on the aid Israel let in and I can also refind the page that gives the tonnage for Jan - may og '08, might as well see that tonnage also along with the whole of crease fire.​
I suspect you are promoting another thing that has no factual basis.​
If you had read the report, you wouldn't make such idiotic assertions.​
There are more detailed pages available. How many trucks were turned away on a daily basis due to restrictions imposed by Israel. It would seem Israel gets to determine if the people of Gaza eat once or twice per day.​
REPORT: Paragraph 72 (72) asserts:
The Mission acknowledges that the supply of humanitarian goods, particularly foodstuffs, allowed into Gaza by Israel temporarily increased during the military operations. The level of goods allowed into Gaza ... has again decreased after the end of the military operations.​
Do you have a limit on the number of lies you can tell a day?​
I don't lie, I pass on facts. How about you try reading the actual report before you go trying to argue it.​
That would depend entirely if Israel is telling the truth.​
I'm not arguing that Israel cut off food supplies during operation cast lead. I am saying that blocking aid from coming from international waters is a sea blockade of humanitarian supplies and the is a war crime that spans many years.​
How much was it before if that is what they allowed in as part of fulfilling their agreement?​
That had nothing to do with any agreement, they simply ceased fire almost every day at about 1pm to allow trucks through to deliver aid. It was Hamas that kept attacking while Israel was allowing food and aid in. Hamas subsequently hijacked several loads of aid, prompting the UN SG to condemn the act.​
The agreement about humanitarian aid during the 6 month long cease-fire. If food was being hi-jacked then obviously not enough was getting through. Name one aid group that said there was too much food being delivered.​
A fact left out of both the Goldstone report, and eao's list of Hamas war crimes.​
Israel listed them after the start of the operation. That is why it is called a 'report' rather than a Judicial Judgment. Israel has written two papers so far, a response from the ones the paper is meant for (at the UN) gets to respond. Almost 100 countries voted for further investigation near the end of Feburary, 10 voted no. When the proposed Jewish homeland was on the table the vote of the minority (10 Nations also lol) meant nothing. Why should it mean something now? They should have the right to 'appeal' the vote, same as the 10 Nations should have been able to do in '47. The 'immigrants' were already being held on Cyprus and those people wanted them gone before they got too comfortable so the floodgates of Jewish immigration was assurred even before any vote took place​
That was a holding area only, the takeover of Palestine for Jews was well established by 1946.​
(in part)Findings​
In April 1946, the Committee reported. Miraculously its members arrived at a unanimous decision, despite the vast range of their opinions. The Committee recommended the immediate admission of 100,000 Jewish refugees from Europe into Palestine. It also recommended that Palestine remain a mandated territory, that facilities be put in place to ensure Jewish migration and that the 1940 Land Act which banned Jews from purchasing land in 95% of Palestine be rescinded.​
Excerpts from the recommendations are as follows:​
Recommendation No. 3. In order to dispose, once and for all, of the exclusive claims of Jews and Arabs to Palestine, we regard it as essential that a clear statement of the following principles should be made:​
* I. That Jew shall not dominate Arab and Arab shall not dominate Jew in Palestine.​
* II. That Palestine shall be neither a Jewish state nor an Arab state.​
* III. That the form of government ultimately to be established, shall, under international guarantees, fully protect and preserve the interests in the Holy Land of Christendom and of the Moslem and Jewish faiths.​
Thus Palestine must ultimately become a state which guards the rights and interests of Moslems, Jews and Christians alike; and accords to the inhabitants, as a whole, the fullest measure of self-government, consistent with the three paramount principles set forth above.​
Recommendation No. 4. We have reached the conclusion that the hostility between Jews and Arabs and, in particular, the determination of each to achieve domination, if necessary by violence, make it almost certain that, now and for some time to come, any attempt to establish either an independent Palestinian State or independent Palestinian States would result in civil strife such as might threaten the peace of the world.​
Recommendation No. 6. The administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions.​
Recommendation No. 7. We recommend that the Land Transfers Regulations of 1940 be rescinded and replaced by regulations based on a policy of freedom in the sale, lease or use of land, irrespective of race, community or creed.​
Bear I thought in a some thread we were on that you mentioned you lost some respect/faith (something similar) with the Native leaders because they had become as corrupt as the their conquerors are.​
Irrelevant. My ethnicity and my heritage has no bearing on this topic. It is simply an attempt to smear and attack me purposely, using racial undertones and without merit.​
You are the one who posted the information and if it has a bearing on your current political then it is relevant. You have no qualms about saying all sorts of personal insults to others.

If you continue, I will report your posts for what they are.​
That is your right.​
Why doesn't Gaza get to take their complaints to the UN Court set up to hear those very complaints, really in the last 60 years they should have been there more than once.​
The same corruption they adopted is the same thing that is happening to a different people these days.​
Not at all. Most of the leaders in my community have no need of violence. They certainly have not waged a violent and bloody war on the people Canada. The only comparison is, that we the Natives of Canada, are much like the Israeli's. In that one day, we will be fighting someone else for our own land.​
Nor do the vast majority of the people of Gaza. You think so eh, try setting a armed checkpoint anywhere.

The only point worth bringing forward is the 'build-up' to cast lead. Israel says it is because of the last 8 years and the 12,000 rockets and other acts like suicide bombers.​
Although I do not remember there being any suicide bombings, you're pretty close.​
Some pretty serious ones. If Israel is going back 8 years for their operation cast lead then should it not also be applied to the year 2000, what was going on in the 8 years previous that would warrant gorilla warfare on Israel. The fact that Arafat squirled away all the loot he did had to have been authorized by the US and Israel. The West is playing host to his widow, the people of Gaza never had any court that would strip her of the money. That is a time honored tactic, reward a few enormously and tha mass majority can live in abject poverty.​
How many complaints did Israel make to the UN during that time?​
I have no idea how many, but I do know that one such complaint was before the Security Council, and a non punitive declaration was levy against Palestine for the rocket attacks. Which of course are an actual targeting of Israeli citizens, another war crime eao and yourself have missed.​
I have stated that Hamas should be taken to the world court, they would gladly do it if it also resulted in Israel also appearing for the complaints against them, not just for last year, all the way back to the first annihilated Arab village after Nov, '47.​
Some incidents were costly in civilian lives. Israel wasn't sitting back for even an 'attack' that didn't claim any lives. Nor were the current 'leaders' in power for that whole period of time.​
True, which is why I personally question Israel's action on the matter.​
How about the world would accept 12,000 rockets and some actual deaths as a 'valid reason' for military action. Using the data from the beginning of the 6 month cease-fire (say 20 rockets and 0 deaths) would not warrant an operation that is a month long. (and be accepted by the masses of everyday people)​
To use that earlier date as the 'base' then any step to a true cease-fire in the months prior was made in bad faith. While signing cease-fire documents the war room was putting the final touches on operation cast lead.​
I think you should ease up on the dope.​
If the reason Israel is using was 8 years in the making then 'cast lead' was already 'in the works' before the 6-month cease-fire was signed by either side.​
The false-flag tunnel incident was done with the intention off seeing an increase in rocket attacks.​
There's more proof you need to ease up on the dope.​
Are you saying that is a tactic that is never used by Israel or any Nation? lol​
It was an important event and no proof was ever offered.​
Overview​
1. On November 4 a series of events in the Gaza Strip signaled a significant erosion of the lull arrangement. The arrangement which went into effect on June 19, 2008 , initiated a five-month period of relative calm in the Gaza Strip and the western Negev population centers. During the first five months of the arrangement the Palestinian terrorist organizations generally did not carry out terrorist attacks and the IDF has avoided operating within the Gaza Strip. Hamas and the other terrorist organizations have exploited the quiet created by the lull to continue their military buildup and prepare themselves for “the morning after.”​
2. The events which threaten the lull arrangement and cast a question mark over its validity began on November 4. Following information about Hamas's preparations to abduct IDF soldiers through a tunnel, the IDF operated near the border. The operation prevented the planned attack and killed seven Hamas terrorist operatives. Hamas reacted with massive rocket and mortar shell fire, unprecedented since the lull arrangement went into effect. After the immediate barrages, sporadic rocket and mortar shell fire continued (carried out by the smaller terrorist organizations). Israel responded by closing the Gaza Strip crossings.​
3. Another event occurred on November 12, when the IDF killed four Hamas terrorist operatives who tried to lay an IED near the border security fence. The Palestinian terrorist organizations, led by Hamas, again fired dozens of rockets and mortar shells at western Negev population centers, including the town of Sderot and city of Ashqelon . The fire, in various quantities, continued uninterrupted for four days.​
4. The ongoing escalation is the first of its kind during the lull. Several of its parameters are conspicuous: its scale (a total of 91 rockets and 38 mortar shells were fired between November 4 and 16); its continuity (the attacks occurred almost daily for ten days and are still ongoing); the various types of rocket used (including standard Grad 122mm rockets, fired at Ashqelon, for which Hamas claimed responsibility); the amount of time that Israel closed the Gaza Strip crossings in response (they have been closed to the delivery of merchandise since November 5). Following the lack of goods in the Gaza Strip and in response to appeals from the international community, on November 11 Israel began delivering a limited supply of diesel fuel for the Gaza Strip power plant. However, the deliveries quickly ended on November 12 because Hamas renewed its rocket fire.​
5. Another important facet of the recent escalation is that for the first time, there is direct Hamas involvement in the rocket and mortar shell fire. Moreover, Hamas publicly claims responsibility, as do the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Fatah and the smaller organizations (until now, Hamas did not participate in the rocket and mortar attacks and the other terrorist organizations generally did not publicly claim responsibility for them.) At the same time, Hamas heads and spokesmen publicly stated that their intention was not to end the lull arrangement but to provide “an equal response” to what they call the “Israeli violations.” In addition, even after Hamas had “responded” (as the organization called its attacks) to the Israeli preventive activity, the other terrorist organizations (Fatah, the PIJ, etc.) did not stop attacking but continued sporadic rocket and mortar shell fire into Israel . For example, on the afternoon of November 14 Hamas stopped its fire, and since then the other Palestinian terrorist organizations have continued to fire rockets and mortar shells (while Hamas does not use force to keep them from attacking).​
6. In summation , the series of events which began on November 4 with the prevention of a Hamas abduction signals a significant erosion in the lull arrangement and leaves its continuation in doubt. Theoretically, the two most important sides in the arrangement, Israel and Hamas , each for its own reasons, seem interested in having it continue , and both publicly state as much. Egypt , which brokered the arrangement, is also interested in having it continue, and in our assessment is working behind the scenes to calm the situation on the ground. 1 Actually, an examination of events shows that for the first time since the lull arrangement went into effect, the dynamics of the escalation on the ground make it difficult for the parties involved to restore the status quo ante.​
Rocket and Mortar Shell Fire since the Beginning of the Escalation​
(as of noon , November 16)​
Once the above is added to Israel's original report they cover quite a bit of the complaints. This next link covers some of the complaints that have been 'shelved'.​
Your point?​
Only that this document is after Israel's last one in late January.​
It is the UN's follow up to the Goldstone report as well as other investigations conducted mentioned in this document.​
Sixty-fourth session​
Agenda item 64​
Report of the Human Rights Council​
Follow-up to the report of the United Nations Fact-Finding​
Mission on the Gaza Conflict​
Report of the Secretary-General​
The only one I had reservations about is the flour mill. If Israel had control of the compound for 3 days they could have put the shell casings on the roof.​
Conspiracy theories make your argument weak.​
The picture on page 58 was taken when the fire was bing put out, a gunman on the roof would be quite visible to patrolling aircraft.​
The reason they gave for not using the roof was because it 'would make them easy targets' seems a bit much in that they targeted the building because they said there were snipers there.​
Army training is far more complex and drastically different then insurgent training.​
Given the quality of the pictures Israel supplied there should have been a body on the roof also.​
With close air support (gunships) anybody on the roof during the rifle-fire portion would have been sitting ducks from. The ruling that it could be used for snipers means anything that would be high-ground is a valid target.​
Yes!!! This is simple military strategy 101. If you had any knowledge of military tactics, you would know this. But you don't, so here we are.​
Then why would Hamas put anybody out in the open?​
I'm quite sure they make tank shells that are designed to start fires rather than scatter the building across the landscape.​
Here's a link to a picture of the flour mill after Cast Lead. Take a look and rethink your comment...​
The photo below is after the clean-up from the fire. I doubt it is up and running today.​
The pics in the UN document taht were supplied by the IDF shows the whole roof as still standing.​
Even with the Israeli update there are quite some incidents that are still not settled and the vote indicated the investigations continue.​
Awesome. A illegitimate, unprofessional, bias, false and erroneous report triggers another investigation, that will use the same flawed techniques to come to the same erroneous conclusion. Just awesome.​
That same "illegitimate, unprofessional, bias, false and erroneous report" dismisses a few complaints as not being valid. lol​
So when will an impartial investigation begin? Or better yet, when will a real investigation begin on Hamas?​
...Amazing ain't it?​
This UN paper indicates Hamas did some things that requires a response from them. One complaint was about having a water-treatment plant as a 'compound' . Every water treatment plant in the world has a fence around it and security guards. Even if that wrecking of a 'well' is excused incidents when settlers are being protected by the IDF while they pour cement into the wells is a valid charge against the IDF as targeting a well. War crime.​
Hamas will also have to give their version of how the sewage spill started.​
Far as the vote is concerned it is for further investigation, no boycott. The odd thing is with complaints is they seem to be geared to the Government being the one to lodge the complaint for the way another Nation is acting towards them. A ruling Government is usually the ones causing the deaths and mayhem inside their own country, they aren't likely to be the ones turning themselves in, so there has to be some method for civil war to also covered as being equal to external threats.​
The death squads in South America should have been investigated and prosecuted by some court that is impartial. Why would investigations (of complaints) be left to the aggressors, that is a recipe for disaster. In the above divide the ones against should do the investigative work that need to be done on Hamas and a similar choice for the ones that voted for a deeper investigation to investigate Israel. All that material is then reviewed by a panel from the absent or abstained group.​
And none of that absolves you of bias, hatred and undue imbalance.​
The crimes committed in the Sudan, outweigh anything, Israel has done.​
Yet you and eao justify your hatred and hide it under the guise of "peace'. What utter BS.​
I've read both of their reports in full. The only Goldstone quotes I have read are what has been posted on this thread. I take it as a report that would be enough to start an investigation on the conduct of both sides. Is Hamas expected to reply for the 8 prior years also, if I were them I would double it to be 16 years back, once courtroom testimony starts.​
Towards you or Israel?​
Are you suggesting you have to kill a certain number before you can be investigated?​
 

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I sent a collection of posting to a highly respected Dr of Psychiatry and this is what he/she noted...
You claim a psychiatrist wrote that drivel????? My guess is you wrote that pathetic load of BS yourself. I doubt any psychiatrist is that illiterate, incompetent or ignorant.

Back on subject:

Ehud Barak Calls Endless Occupation Apartheid

It's been three years since Jimmy Carter was demonized as anti-Semitic for writing that if Israel maintained the occupation without giving Palestinians full rights, it would become an apartheid state.

And now Israel's hawkish Defense Minister -- and most highly decorated soldier -- agrees.

Speaking at a conference outside Tel Aviv, Barak said, if "millions of Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state."

Currently, Israel's democracy applies only within the pre-'67 lines. The millions of Palestinians in the occupied territories have no democratic rights. Barak is saying that Israel must either get out of the territories or be another apartheid South Africa.

Exactly what President Carter said.

Except when Israel's Defense Minister says it, he is also saying that Israel cannot defend itself unless it ends the occupation.

That is why supporters of a secure Israel must oppose the occupation. Thanks, Minister Barak. But then it is easier to speak the truth about the occupation in Israel than here in Washington. You don't have the lobby to deal with.

MJ Rosenberg: Ehud Barak Calls Endless Occupation Apartheid
Millions of people living in areas occupied by the Israeli military have no democratic rights. Yet Jewish Israelis who also live in the same areas have full rights. That makes Israel an Apartheid state now.

One example of Israel using children as human shields from the Goldstone Report:
...the Mission finds that there were numerous violations of
international humanitarian law and human rights law committed in the context of these
detentions. Civilians, including women and children, were detained in degrading conditions,
deprived of food, water and access to sanitary facilities, and exposed to the elements in January
without any shelter. The men were handcuffed, blindfolded and repeatedly made to strip,
sometimes naked, at different stages of their detention.
58. In the Al Atatra area in north-western Gaza Israeli troops had dug out sand pits in which
Palestinian men, women and children were detained
. Israeli tanks and artillery positions were
located inside the sand pits and around them and fired from next to the detainees....


http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/docs/UNFFMGC_Report.pdf
Would any Israeli supporters care to explain why they support the above?

Should all countries have the same right to handcuff children, hold them in open pits surrounded by razor wire, deprive them of water, food and shelter, in order to protect tanks and artillery as they shell the children's relatives or is just Israel entitled to do this?

For example, do you also believe that the Canadian military should start abducting Afghanistan children to use them the same way Israel does?

If you do support soldier abducting children to use them as human shields, how far does this go? Should soldiers also be allowed to abduct children and then use them to seach for booby traps and locate enemy positions like Israel?

...Majdi Abd
Rabbo, Abbas Ahmad Ibrahim Halawa and Mahmoud Abd Rabbo al-Ajrami, all claim that they
were threatened with execution. Majdi Abd Rabbo also claimed that he was kicked and beaten
by soldiers until he gave in to their request to enter the house of HS/08. Mahmoud Abd Rabbo
al-Ajrami was thrown from the second floor of his house after refusing to provide information to
Israeli soldiers, resulting in several broken ribs.
1100. The use of the “neighbour procedure”, now apparently renamed “Johnnie procedure”,
constitutes a violation of fundamental human rights norms. It puts the right to life of the civilians
concerned, protected in article 6 of ICCPR, at risk in an arbitrary and unlawful way. The anguish
to which civilians who, blindfolded and handcuffed, are forced at gunpoint to enter houses which
– this is the reason they are forced to enter the houses – might be booby-trapped or harbour
combatants who might open fire on them
, can only be described as cruel and inhuman treatment
prohibited by article 7 of ICCPR....

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/docs/UNFFMGC_Report.pdf
 
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Here's another story Israeli apologists should defend:

...The Israeli soldiers also ordered those in other houses to move to Wa’el al-Samouni’s
house. As a result, around 100 members of the extended al-Samouni family, the majority women
and children, were assembled in that house by noon on 4 January. There was hardly any water
and no milk for the babies....

...Suddenly, a projectile struck... ...Within about five minutes, two or three more projectiles had
struck the house directly. Saleh and Wa’el al-Samouni stated at the public hearing that these
were missiles launched from Apache helicopters.... ...overall 21 family members were killed and 19 injured in the
attack on Wa’el al-Samouni’s house. The dead include Saleh al-Samouni’s father, Talal Helmi
al-Samouni, his mother, Rahma Muhammad al-Samouni, and his two-year-old daughter Azza.
Three of his sons, aged five, three and less than one year (Mahmoud, Omar and Ahmad), were
injured, but survived. Of Wa’el’s immediate family, a daughter and a son (Rezqa, 14, and Fares,
12) were killed, while two smaller children (Abdullah and Muhammad) were injured....

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/docs/UNFFMGC_Report.pdf
Can any Israeli apologists defend rounding up civilians, detaining them in an over crowded house without water and then bombing the house?
 

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I'm tired of your conspiracy theories, nonsensical drivel and your circular logic.

When you've actually read the report, grown up and removed your head from your ass, please feel free to communicate with a greater knowledge of the issue.

Back on subject:

Here's another story...

eao, I met your challenge, I answered your posts, complete with page numbers, paragraph numbers.

Why have you ignored them?
 

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When you've actually read the report, grown up and removed your head from your ass, please feel free to communicate with a greater knowledge of the issue.


eao, I met your challenge, I answered your posts, complete with page numbers, paragraph numbers.

Why have you ignored them?
I believe he is talking about post #388 EAO, the one where he parrots what their first draft of their defense of the complaints, The Operation in Gaza: Factual and Legal Aspects as well as the follow-up document submitted to the UN near the end of January,'10.

Do you mean read like in this type of reading about the 'way events actually unfolded'? Like these summaries.

[SIZE=+1]THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0]February 25, 1994 (Palestine):[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]While worshippers in the Ibrahimi Mosque in the city of Hebron were kneeling and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] prostrating before God, turning their faces toward the sacred house of God in the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Friday dawn prayer on February 25, 1994, showers of treacherous Zionist bullets[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] began raining down on them from all directions, felling more than 350 peaceable[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] worshippers, some of whom were killed, and others wounded. And thus began the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] second chapter of this terrorist massacre at the hands of terrorist settler Baroukh[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Goldstein and his helpers. As for the first chapter, it had begun at the hour for the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] final evening prayer on Thursday, at which time Jewish settlers and soldiers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] prevented Muslim worshippers from entering the sacred masque to perform the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] evening prayer under the pretext that this was the day of their "Boleme" feast.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Terrorist settlers gathered in the outer courtyards of the mosque and began setting[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] off fireworks in the direction of the worshippers. Some time after this, the occupation[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] forces allowed them to go inside the mosque itself in groups. At 10:00 p.m. the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Muslim worshippers were asked to leave the mosque, and Zionist occupation[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] soldiers began beating many of them as they left.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Hatim Qufaysha, a witness of the Zionist crime, says, "At 5:20 a.m. today everyone[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] was standing up [in the mosque]. As I took off my shoes, I saw an old man wearing[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] military clothes who was running along carrying a huge weapon loaded with[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] ammunition. I was surprised to see him come into the mosque during the prayer. He[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] opened fire, and I ran away and asked the soldier who guards the area to intervene.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] But all he did was beat me up, then I left the mosque area.52[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Eye witnesses who survived the massacre say, "We heard the sound of a muffled[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] explosion. It was followed by the whiz of bullets passing over the heads of the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] worshippers." Talal Abu Sunayna, who was shot in both shoulders, adds, "I saw a[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] settler hiding behind one of the pillars in the mosque' as he fired on the worshippers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] with his rifle. Another [Jewish] settler stood beside him loading a second rifle so that[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] it would be ready to go to work next."53 Muhammad Sari, one of the worshippers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] present at the time of the massacre, states, "People are used to attending the dawn[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] prayer on Fridays in large numbers." He estimated the number of worshippers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] present that morning at about 500. Then he added, "the muezzin announced the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] beginning of the prayer, so we knelt and made the first prostration. Then all of a[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] sudden we heard the sound of heavy gun fire coming from behind us. When I turned[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] around in the direction of the sound, I saw a soldier in full uniform. He had put ear[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] pieces in his ears, and he was holding a rapid-firing machine gun and firing in the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] direction of the worshippers."54 Sari was wounded in both legs when he tried to[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] stand up. A number of young men were able to get over to where the attacker was[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] and to protect others in the mosque with their bodies. And within moments Goldstein[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] had been brought to the ground by the young men.55 But due to the heavy gun fire,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] the mosque had turned into something on the order of a slaughterhouse, filled with[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] pools of blood. Muhammad Sulayman Abu Salih, a custodian at the Abrahamic[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] mosque, describes the terrifying sight inside the mosque saying, "The terrorist was[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] trying to kill as many people as possible. The corpses were scattered all over,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] spattering the floor of the mosque with blood. Worshippers who had been prostrate[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] tried to flee in terror, and some of them fell on the floor." Then he adds, "I shouted at[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] the top of my lungs to the soldiers to come and stop him, but all they did was run[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] away. The armed man reloaded his rifle at least once and killed at least seven[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] people at one time, the contents of their skulls scattering all over the floor. He kept on[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] shooting for ten minutes, and the army didn't step in until the massacre was over."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Sheikh Ibrahim Abdeen, the imam of the mosque, says that the bullets were coming[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] from several places, that it was a true blood bath. The Israeli soldiers' reaction was[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] very slow; they actually delayed the arrival of the ambulances.57 Nor did this terrorist[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] massacre stop with the killing of Goldstein. When the shooting stopped, the soldiers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] came pouring into the mosque. According to witnesses of the massacre, the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] soldiers, together with a number of Jewish settlers, opened fire on those who had[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] gathered around Goldstein, and not one of them survived. And thus occurred the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] second massacre. Then outside the mosque, the soldiers opened fire on the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] ambulance which had arrived at the mosque to treat the wounded; thus occurred the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] third massacre, which itself did not stop there, since the soldiers pursued the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] wounded and those seeking to treat them as far as the doors of the hospitals, where[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] they proceeded to kill even more. Other forces pursued their victims' funeral[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] processions as far as the cemetery gates, where they killed still more. Hence, this[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] heinous massacre carried out against worshippers at the Ibrahimi Mosque led to[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] more than 24 deaths and injured hundreds of others.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]THE JABALIA MASSACRE:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0]28 March 1994, A Jewish undercover police opened fire on Palestinian activists brutally killing 6 and injuring 49. Some of the wounded activists were taken out of their cars and shot in their heads to death.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Aramta Massacre:[/SIZE]
15/4/1994(Lebanon): After blockading the town, armed men entered and ordered the people to gather at the town's square, where they were assaulted. Then, they took the men and women to the detention camp. Later on they stormed, the district of the town, and killed whomever they saw. 2 perosns were l\killed, 6 were wounded. [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0]17 July 1994, Palestinian sources reported that the occupation forces had committed Sunday morning a disgusting massacre against Palestinian workers at Eretz checkpoint. Eyewitnesses and Israeli sources reported that 11 Palestinians have been shot dead and 200 injured. Israeli sources also reported that 21 Israeli soldiers including 1 settler were injured. Two soldiers were shot by bullets, one died. As reported by Palestinian and Israeli sources, the scene was described as a war zone which lasted for 6 hours. Four Israeli tanks and helicopters were brought by the occupation forces, while a number of settlers were taking part in firing at Palestinians. Protests had spread all over the Occupied Territories. In Gaza, Palestinians raised black flags and called for revenge. In Ramallah, shops closed while several clashes were reported. Several clashes were reported at Hebron University yesterday, and today two Palestinians were shot in Hebron.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre:[/SIZE]
5/8/1994(Lebanon):
The Israeli warplanes fired a "vacuum" missile at a two- story building,in Deir Al-Zahranee which was destroyed over the heads of the inhabitants. 8 people were killed , 17 wee injured. [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre:[/SIZE]
21/03/1994(Lebanon):
The Israeli warplanes targeted school bus ful of puiples 4 childs were killed,10(child) Injured. [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The Sohmor Second Massacre :[/SIZE]
2/04/1996 (Lebanon):
The Israeli artillery targeted a civilian car carrying eight passengers, killing all of them . [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Mnsuriah Massacre:[/SIZE]
On 13 April 1996, at about 1:30 P.M., an IDF helicopter fired rockets at a vehicle carrying thirteen civilians fleeing the village of al-Mansuri, killing two women and four young girls. The vehicle was a Volvo station wagon with a blue flooding light, a red crescent painted on the hood and the word “ambulance” written in Arabic. Reporters at the scene filmed the incident. The film footage shows, and testimony of UN soldiers who arrived immediately after the car was hit corroborate, that there were no weapons or any other type of military equipment in the car, only some food and clothes. Amnesty’s investigation revealed that none of the passengers were connected to Hizbullah.
[SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Nabatyaih Massacre:[/SIZE] 18 April 1996, Eleven persons were killed and ten injured in an IDF air attack on a house in Nabatiyya al-Faqwah, some three kilometers north of Nabatiyya, in South Lebanon. Eight of those killed were from one family: a mother and her seven children, including a four-day-old baby. Around 6:30 a.m., IDF helicopters fired rockets at three buildings in the village, demolishing one totally and severely damaging the other two. Lebanese families were living in the buildings. The IDF Spokesperson claimed that the helicopters fired at the building in which the eleven were killed because Hizbullah was hiding there after firing the mortars. Investigations conducted by Amnesty and HRW did not confirm this contention The IDF's statement ignored the fact that the IDF fired at two other buildings during the same attack. [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]


[SIZE=+1]Qana Massacre :[/SIZE]
18 April 1996,[SIZE=+0] The "ethnic cleansing" operations carried out by the Zionist terrorist army have[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] encompassed not only Palestinian civilians, but Lebanese civilians in south Lebanon[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] as well.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] In an attempt to break the power of the Lebanese Hizbollah organization, Zionist[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] forces undertook a military operation against south Lebanon. This operation was[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] likewise based upon the Zionist mentality, supportive as it is of blood-letting and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] terrorism and based upon the belief that "exercising pressure against Lebanese[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] citizens . . . will lead in practical terms to comprehensive, overall pressure on account[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] of which the Hizbollah organization will be obliged to adhere to a ceasefire."59 Given[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] this reasoning, the Zionist forces bombed the shelter which was providing refuge to[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] approximately five hundred Lebanese, most of whom were children, elderly and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] women who had been forced out of their homes by Israeli raids on their villages, and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] who had been unable to get to Beirut. This bombing led to the deaths of 109[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Lebanese civilians and seriously wounded 116 others. During the attack, Israeli[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] forces used between 5 and 6 advanced bombs designed to explode above their[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] target in order to cause the largest possible number of casualties. Moreover,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] international investigations confirmed that the Israeli forces had deliberately targeted[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] the shelter.60[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Ali, one of those wounded in the attack, says, "I fled in the morning with two friends[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] and went for refuge to the emergency forces in Qana. I had my wife and my four[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] children with me. They led us into a shelter where there were about fifty people. Then[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] suddenly the sound of bombing rang out. A first shell, then a second fell near the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] shelter, and as we were trying to get out, another shell hit the shelter directly. I don't[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] know what happened to my wife and children."61 Fadi Jabir weeps as he talks about[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] things he saw after the Israeli bombs fell on those who had left their homes to come[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] to the base for the UN Fayjiya peace-keeping forces. He says, "I heard people[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] shouting 'Allahu akbar!', and a woman fell down unconscious. I reached out to get an[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] idea what had happened to her, and her brain fell into my hand."62 As for Sa'd Allah[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Balhas, who was wounded by a piece of shrapnel in the Zionist massacre, he says,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] "In one second I lost everything: my children, 14 of my grandchildren, and my wife. I[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] don't want to live anymore. Tell the doctors to let me die."63[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
T[SIZE=+1]rqumia Massacr:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]March 10 1998 :Israeli Occupied West Bank, March 10--Israeli soldiers opened fire with automatic[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]weapons on a van full of unarmed Palestinian workers, killing Adnan Abu Zneid, 34, and two other Palestinians. Two more laborers were wounded as the group returned from helping to construct a building near Tel Aviv. Eyewitnesses described the Israeli gunfire as "indiscriminate."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Israeli Army Maj. Uzi Dayan said that the soldiers acted "according to regulations" in opening fire on the van with automatic weapons at a checkpoint outside Hebron.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ali Abu Zneid, 37, a cousin of the deceased, was in the van and fell uninjured under the others' bodies. He said that the Jewish soldiers, "shot to kill."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Israeli Defense Minister Yitzhak Mordechai described the killings as an "accident"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Janta Massacre :[/SIZE]
22/12/1998 (Lebanon):
Israeli warplanes waited for the children to come home from the field to embrace their mother when they carried out this savage attack. Mother and her 6 children [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]24 Of June 1999 Massacres[/SIZE] 24/6/1999 (Lebanon)
Martyrs: 8
Injures: 84
Target: Under
Building in
Beirut
In an interview with the "kolhaer" magazine, five Israeli soldiers said that the artillery commander had said to his soldiers "We are skilled marksmen. Anyhow, there are millions of Arabs... It's their problem. Whether Arabs become one more or less is just the same...We have accomplished our duty.
The whole issue is not about more than a group of "Arabosheem" (a racist term hostile to Arabs used by the Israelis). We should have launched more shells to kill more Arabs.
[SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Western Bekaa villages Massacre:[/SIZE]
29/12/1999 (Lebanon):
The Israeli warplanes dropped bombs on he children who were celebrating the “eid” festival, killing eight children and wounding 11 others.

There is nothing circular about 100 countries voting for the investigations to go forward, you either support that vote or you are a rebel and a terrorist to the workings of a democratic vote. You also have to be cheerful about being on the losing end of a vote, basically a landslide when it is a 10/1 ratio, when you voice your support for the investigations to proceed. Just put your 'x' beside the proper word.
Yes
No
 

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the one where he parrots
You actually have the gull to accuse me of parroting, then post a complete cut & paste of someone elses thoughts?

Get help.

My posts that addressed eao's request, were written in my own words, based on my own finds. The fact that you would make such an absurd accusation, while espousing the very quality you just falsely accused me of, is mind boggling. I challenge you to prove I parroted anything.

When you have achieved the same level of critical thought, I might entertain your idiocy and give you enough credit to again respond to your asinine posts. Until then, babble on in complete ignorance.

[SIZE=+1]THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0]February 25, 1994 (Palestine):[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]While worshippers in the Ibrahimi Mosque in the city of Hebron were kneeling and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] prostrating before God, turning their faces toward the sacred house of God in the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Friday dawn prayer on February 25, 1994, showers of treacherous Zionist bullets[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] began raining down on them from all directions, felling more than 350 peaceable[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] worshippers, some of whom were killed, and others wounded. And thus began the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] second chapter of this terrorist massacre at the hands of terrorist settler Baroukh[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Goldstein and his helpers. As for the first chapter, it had begun at the hour for the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] final evening prayer on Thursday, at which time Jewish settlers and soldiers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] prevented Muslim worshippers from entering the sacred masque to perform the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] evening prayer under the pretext that this was the day of their "Boleme" feast.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Terrorist settlers gathered in the outer courtyards of the mosque and began setting[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] off fireworks in the direction of the worshippers. Some time after this, the occupation[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] forces allowed them to go inside the mosque itself in groups. At 10:00 p.m. the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Muslim worshippers were asked to leave the mosque, and Zionist occupation[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] soldiers began beating many of them as they left.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Hatim Qufaysha, a witness of the Zionist crime, says, "At 5:20 a.m. today everyone[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] was standing up [in the mosque]. As I took off my shoes, I saw an old man wearing[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] military clothes who was running along carrying a huge weapon loaded with[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] ammunition. I was surprised to see him come into the mosque during the prayer. He[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] opened fire, and I ran away and asked the soldier who guards the area to intervene.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] But all he did was beat me up, then I left the mosque area.52[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Eye witnesses who survived the massacre say, "We heard the sound of a muffled[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] explosion. It was followed by the whiz of bullets passing over the heads of the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] worshippers." Talal Abu Sunayna, who was shot in both shoulders, adds, "I saw a[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] settler hiding behind one of the pillars in the mosque' as he fired on the worshippers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] with his rifle. Another [Jewish] settler stood beside him loading a second rifle so that[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] it would be ready to go to work next."53 Muhammad Sari, one of the worshippers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] present at the time of the massacre, states, "People are used to attending the dawn[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] prayer on Fridays in large numbers." He estimated the number of worshippers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] present that morning at about 500. Then he added, "the muezzin announced the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] beginning of the prayer, so we knelt and made the first prostration. Then all of a[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] sudden we heard the sound of heavy gun fire coming from behind us. When I turned[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] around in the direction of the sound, I saw a soldier in full uniform. He had put ear[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] pieces in his ears, and he was holding a rapid-firing machine gun and firing in the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] direction of the worshippers."54 Sari was wounded in both legs when he tried to[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] stand up. A number of young men were able to get over to where the attacker was[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] and to protect others in the mosque with their bodies. And within moments Goldstein[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] had been brought to the ground by the young men.55 But due to the heavy gun fire,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] the mosque had turned into something on the order of a slaughterhouse, filled with[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] pools of blood. Muhammad Sulayman Abu Salih, a custodian at the Abrahamic[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] mosque, describes the terrifying sight inside the mosque saying, "The terrorist was[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] trying to kill as many people as possible. The corpses were scattered all over,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] spattering the floor of the mosque with blood. Worshippers who had been prostrate[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] tried to flee in terror, and some of them fell on the floor." Then he adds, "I shouted at[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] the top of my lungs to the soldiers to come and stop him, but all they did was run[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] away. The armed man reloaded his rifle at least once and killed at least seven[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] people at one time, the contents of their skulls scattering all over the floor. He kept on[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] shooting for ten minutes, and the army didn't step in until the massacre was over."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Sheikh Ibrahim Abdeen, the imam of the mosque, says that the bullets were coming[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] from several places, that it was a true blood bath. The Israeli soldiers' reaction was[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] very slow; they actually delayed the arrival of the ambulances.57 Nor did this terrorist[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] massacre stop with the killing of Goldstein. When the shooting stopped, the soldiers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] came pouring into the mosque. According to witnesses of the massacre, the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] soldiers, together with a number of Jewish settlers, opened fire on those who had[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] gathered around Goldstein, and not one of them survived. And thus occurred the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] second massacre. Then outside the mosque, the soldiers opened fire on the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] ambulance which had arrived at the mosque to treat the wounded; thus occurred the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] third massacre, which itself did not stop there, since the soldiers pursued the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] wounded and those seeking to treat them as far as the doors of the hospitals, where[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] they proceeded to kill even more. Other forces pursued their victims' funeral[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] processions as far as the cemetery gates, where they killed still more. Hence, this[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] heinous massacre carried out against worshippers at the Ibrahimi Mosque led to[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] more than 24 deaths and injured hundreds of others.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]THE JABALIA MASSACRE:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0]28 March 1994, A Jewish undercover police opened fire on Palestinian activists brutally killing 6 and injuring 49. Some of the wounded activists were taken out of their cars and shot in their heads to death.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Aramta Massacre:[/SIZE]
15/4/1994(Lebanon): After blockading the town, armed men entered and ordered the people to gather at the town's square, where they were assaulted. Then, they took the men and women to the detention camp. Later on they stormed, the district of the town, and killed whomever they saw. 2 perosns were l\killed, 6 were wounded. [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0]17 July 1994, Palestinian sources reported that the occupation forces had committed Sunday morning a disgusting massacre against Palestinian workers at Eretz checkpoint. Eyewitnesses and Israeli sources reported that 11 Palestinians have been shot dead and 200 injured. Israeli sources also reported that 21 Israeli soldiers including 1 settler were injured. Two soldiers were shot by bullets, one died. As reported by Palestinian and Israeli sources, the scene was described as a war zone which lasted for 6 hours. Four Israeli tanks and helicopters were brought by the occupation forces, while a number of settlers were taking part in firing at Palestinians. Protests had spread all over the Occupied Territories. In Gaza, Palestinians raised black flags and called for revenge. In Ramallah, shops closed while several clashes were reported. Several clashes were reported at Hebron University yesterday, and today two Palestinians were shot in Hebron.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre:[/SIZE]
5/8/1994(Lebanon):
The Israeli warplanes fired a "vacuum" missile at a two- story building,in Deir Al-Zahranee which was destroyed over the heads of the inhabitants. 8 people were killed , 17 wee injured. [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre:[/SIZE]
21/03/1994(Lebanon):
The Israeli warplanes targeted school bus ful of puiples 4 childs were killed,10(child) Injured. [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The Sohmor Second Massacre :[/SIZE]
2/04/1996 (Lebanon):
The Israeli artillery targeted a civilian car carrying eight passengers, killing all of them . [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Mnsuriah Massacre:[/SIZE]
On 13 April 1996, at about 1:30 P.M., an IDF helicopter fired rockets at a vehicle carrying thirteen civilians fleeing the village of al-Mansuri, killing two women and four young girls. The vehicle was a Volvo station wagon with a blue flooding light, a red crescent painted on the hood and the word “ambulance” written in Arabic. Reporters at the scene filmed the incident. The film footage shows, and testimony of UN soldiers who arrived immediately after the car was hit corroborate, that there were no weapons or any other type of military equipment in the car, only some food and clothes. Amnesty’s investigation revealed that none of the passengers were connected to Hizbullah.
[SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Nabatyaih Massacre:[/SIZE] 18 April 1996, Eleven persons were killed and ten injured in an IDF air attack on a house in Nabatiyya al-Faqwah, some three kilometers north of Nabatiyya, in South Lebanon. Eight of those killed were from one family: a mother and her seven children, including a four-day-old baby. Around 6:30 a.m., IDF helicopters fired rockets at three buildings in the village, demolishing one totally and severely damaging the other two. Lebanese families were living in the buildings. The IDF Spokesperson claimed that the helicopters fired at the building in which the eleven were killed because Hizbullah was hiding there after firing the mortars. Investigations conducted by Amnesty and HRW did not confirm this contention The IDF's statement ignored the fact that the IDF fired at two other buildings during the same attack. [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]


[SIZE=+1]Qana Massacre :[/SIZE]
18 April 1996,[SIZE=+0] The "ethnic cleansing" operations carried out by the Zionist terrorist army have[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] encompassed not only Palestinian civilians, but Lebanese civilians in south Lebanon[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] as well.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] In an attempt to break the power of the Lebanese Hizbollah organization, Zionist[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] forces undertook a military operation against south Lebanon. This operation was[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] likewise based upon the Zionist mentality, supportive as it is of blood-letting and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] terrorism and based upon the belief that "exercising pressure against Lebanese[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] citizens . . . will lead in practical terms to comprehensive, overall pressure on account[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] of which the Hizbollah organization will be obliged to adhere to a ceasefire."59 Given[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] this reasoning, the Zionist forces bombed the shelter which was providing refuge to[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] approximately five hundred Lebanese, most of whom were children, elderly and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] women who had been forced out of their homes by Israeli raids on their villages, and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] who had been unable to get to Beirut. This bombing led to the deaths of 109[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Lebanese civilians and seriously wounded 116 others. During the attack, Israeli[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] forces used between 5 and 6 advanced bombs designed to explode above their[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] target in order to cause the largest possible number of casualties. Moreover,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] international investigations confirmed that the Israeli forces had deliberately targeted[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] the shelter.60[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Ali, one of those wounded in the attack, says, "I fled in the morning with two friends[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] and went for refuge to the emergency forces in Qana. I had my wife and my four[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] children with me. They led us into a shelter where there were about fifty people. Then[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] suddenly the sound of bombing rang out. A first shell, then a second fell near the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] shelter, and as we were trying to get out, another shell hit the shelter directly. I don't[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] know what happened to my wife and children."61 Fadi Jabir weeps as he talks about[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] things he saw after the Israeli bombs fell on those who had left their homes to come[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] to the base for the UN Fayjiya peace-keeping forces. He says, "I heard people[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] shouting 'Allahu akbar!', and a woman fell down unconscious. I reached out to get an[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] idea what had happened to her, and her brain fell into my hand."62 As for Sa'd Allah[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Balhas, who was wounded by a piece of shrapnel in the Zionist massacre, he says,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] "In one second I lost everything: my children, 14 of my grandchildren, and my wife. I[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] don't want to live anymore. Tell the doctors to let me die."63[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
T[SIZE=+1]rqumia Massacr:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]March 10 1998 :Israeli Occupied West Bank, March 10--Israeli soldiers opened fire with automatic[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]weapons on a van full of unarmed Palestinian workers, killing Adnan Abu Zneid, 34, and two other Palestinians. Two more laborers were wounded as the group returned from helping to construct a building near Tel Aviv. Eyewitnesses described the Israeli gunfire as "indiscriminate."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Israeli Army Maj. Uzi Dayan said that the soldiers acted "according to regulations" in opening fire on the van with automatic weapons at a checkpoint outside Hebron.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ali Abu Zneid, 37, a cousin of the deceased, was in the van and fell uninjured under the others' bodies. He said that the Jewish soldiers, "shot to kill."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Israeli Defense Minister Yitzhak Mordechai described the killings as an "accident"[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]Janta Massacre :[/SIZE]
22/12/1998 (Lebanon):
Israeli warplanes waited for the children to come home from the field to embrace their mother when they carried out this savage attack. Mother and her 6 children [SIZE=-1]Back to top[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]24 Of June 1999 Massacres[/SIZE] 24/6/1999 (Lebanon)
Martyrs: 8
Injures: 84
Target: Under
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In an interview with the "kolhaer" magazine, five Israeli soldiers said that the artillery commander had said to his soldiers "We are skilled marksmen. Anyhow, there are millions of Arabs... It's their problem. Whether Arabs become one more or less is just the same...We have accomplished our duty.
The whole issue is not about more than a group of "Arabosheem" (a racist term hostile to Arabs used by the Israelis). We should have launched more shells to kill more Arabs.
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[SIZE=+1]Western Bekaa villages Massacre:[/SIZE]
29/12/1999 (Lebanon):
The Israeli warplanes dropped bombs on he children who were celebrating the “eid” festival, killing eight children and wounding 11 others.

There is nothing circular about 100 countries voting for the investigations to go forward, you either support that vote or you are a rebel and a terrorist to the workings of a democratic vote. You also have to be cheerful about being on the losing end of a vote, basically a landslide when it is a 10/1 ratio, when you voice your support for the investigations to proceed. Just put your 'x' beside the proper word.
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mhz, this is the finest example of parroting one could find. The absurdity that permeates your posts, is astounding. The absolute absurdity in accusing me of parroting, while the overwhelming majority of you posts is either stolen, unaccredited or other copied from someone else's work, is the a shining example of irony, hypocrisy and stupidity. I find it amazing that someone of such limited cognitive ability has managed to understand the obviously complicated mechanization of how to turn on a computer, let alone the value of such an asinine accusation. This complicated task is obviously performed by your well trained helper monkey. Whom for all intents and purposes is likely further up the evolutionary ladder then yourself.

Perhaps you and it, could have a melding of the minds, to which you would benefit from the elevation of single celled thought to that of the swinging variety of primate.

At which point of course, you would still require a millennium of educating, before you could possibly offer an opinion that rivals anything put forth by a 1st grader. At the very least you may eventually understand the intricacies of stuffing straw in an ant hill to feed yourself. Unfortunately this may come with the realization that you have sex organs. I pray to the all mighty that you don't recognize this fact and fail to find them and/or a suitable mate. As to decrease the ability for yourself to propagate and spread your obviously genetically deficient and inferior seed.

So please, ignore my advice and ignore the pleading of the wise primate at your side, do not listen to him, stay blissfully encompassed in ignorance. It is the most beneficial course of action for the human race.
 
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You actually have the gull to accuse me of parroting, then post a complete cut & paste of someone elses thoughts?

Get help.
When it give a number for the dead it is a factual number. What you fail to notice is all the dates were within 8 years of 2000. With this, and the list of events not listed, you have the same background that Israel's uses for their cast lead operation.

My posts that addressed eao's request, were written in my own words, based on my own finds. The fact that you would make such an absurd accusation, while espousing the very quality you just falsely accused me of, is mind boggling. I challenge you to prove I parroted anything.
"Your own finds" WTF does that mean, you went and conducted your own investigation just so you could post something on this thread, I don't think so.
You already said this to EAO "I answered your posts, complete with page numbers, paragraph numbers."


When you have achieved the same level of critical thought, I might entertain your idiocy and give you enough credit to again respond to your asinine posts. Until then, babble on in complete ignorance.
You won't be posting! Is that a promise?


mhz, this is the finest example of parroting one could find. The absurdity that permeates your posts, is astounding. The absolute absurdity in accusing me of parroting, while the overwhelming majority of you posts is either stolen, unaccredited or other copied from someone else's work, is the a shining example of irony, hypocrisy and stupidity. I find it amazing that someone of such limited cognitive ability has managed to understand the obviously complicated mechanization of how to turn on a computer, let alone the value of such an asinine accusation. This complicated task is obviously performed by your well trained helper monkey. Whom for all intents and purposes is likely further up the evolutionary ladder then yourself.
All your answers came from the two Israeli documents, that is parroting. There is more available on each of the incidents that came from that web-page.

Perhaps you and it, could have a melding of the minds, to which you would benefit from the elevation of single celled thought to that of the swinging variety of primate.
Even primates act in a better manner than Israel over the last 60 years.

At which point of course, you would still require a millennium of educating, before you could possibly offer an opinion that rivals anything put forth by a 1st grader. At the very least you may eventually understand the intricacies of stuffing straw in an ant hill to feed yourself. Unfortunately this may come with the realization that you have sex organs. I pray to the all mighty that you don't recognize this fact and fail to find them and/or a suitable mate. As to decrease the ability for yourself to propagate and spread your obviously genetically deficient and inferior seed.
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I guess you can pretty much stop calling others racists, lol.

So please, ignore my advice and ignore the pleading of the wise primate at your side, do not listen to him, stay blissfully encompassed in ignorance. It is the most beneficial course of action for the human race.
That seems like advice from you, which you also tell me to ignore. lol
 
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Quoting Goober I sent a collection of posting to a highly respected Dr of Psychiatry and this is what he/she noted...
You claim a psychiatrist wrote that drivel????? My guess is you wrote that pathetic load of BS yourself. I doubt any psychiatrist is that illiterate, incompetent or ignorant.

Back on subject:

Ok he is one of your relatives - Guess ignorance runs thru the family stick - as you do not in any way decend from a Family Tree
 

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The violence began Friday when soldiers patrolling the border crossed into Gaza after spotting Palestinians planting explosives near the fence with Israel.
Two Israeli soldiers and two Palestinian militants were killed in the gunbattle, the military said. Palestinian medics said one civilian was killed and seven were wounded in the fighting. Militants reported one wounded and one missing.
Hamas, the Islamic militant group that rules Gaza, confirmed their gunmen were involved in Friday's violence — marking a shift from the group's tendency over the past year to avoid confrontation with Israeli forces.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100327/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians.


"We will not tolerate any attempt to harm the citizens of the state of Israel and we will continue to operate firmly against anyone who uses terror against it," a military statement said.
 

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The violence began Friday when soldiers patrolling the border crossed into Gaza after spotting Palestinians planting explosives near the fence with Israel.
Two Israeli soldiers and two Palestinian militants were killed in the gunbattle, the military said. Palestinian medics said one civilian was killed and seven were wounded in the fighting. Militants reported one wounded and one missing.
Hamas, the Islamic militant group that rules Gaza, confirmed their gunmen were involved in Friday's violence — marking a shift from the group's tendency over the past year to avoid confrontation with Israeli forces.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100327/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians.


"We will not tolerate any attempt to harm the citizens of the state of Israel and we will continue to operate firmly against anyone who uses terror against it," a military statement said.
They were not planting IED's, they were planting green tomato's.

The IDF is lying.
 

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Yes, spring has just started. There intentions could have been mistaken, poor misunderstood Achmed (The Dead Terrorist). :lol:
Quite, the IDF is just interfering with the law planting of food, thus denying the Palestinians of sustenance.

Obviously this is a war crime and a crime against humanity.
 

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"The violence began Friday when soldiers patrolling the border crossed into Gaza after spotting Palestinians planting explosives near the fence with Israel."
If the explosives were in Gaza and the IDF never goes into Gaza how were they in 'mortal danger' that would require a gun-fight?
What ezaxt statute of the war-crimes act does planting explosives on your own property come under?
(the link)
Israeli troops used bulldozers to "flatten infrastructure used by terrorists to attack soldiers" before the early morning withdrawal, a military spokeswoman said.

So Israel can enter Gaza antime and anywhere and if they are shot at they will bring in dozers (or whatever) so they can't be shot at when in Gaza illegally. lol
 

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"The violence began Friday when soldiers patrolling the border crossed into Gaza after spotting Palestinians planting explosives near the fence with Israel."
If the explosives were in Gaza and the IDF never goes into Gaza how were they in 'mortal danger' that would require a gun-fight?
What ezaxt statute of the war-crimes act does planting explosives on your own property come under?
I know eh? Those bastards!!!
(the link)
Israeli troops used bulldozers to "flatten infrastructure used by terrorists to attack soldiers" before the early morning withdrawal, a military spokeswoman said.

So Israel can enter Gaza antime and anywhere and if they are shot at they will bring in dozers (or whatever) so they can't be shot at when in Gaza illegally. lol
I know, typical Jew aggression.

Those poor Hamas military personnel were just planting tomato's and those nasty evil war crime commiting, human rights violating war starting Joos came along and tried to starve them to death.

Bastards!!!
 

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I know eh? Those bastards!!!
I know, typical Jew aggression.

Those poor Hamas military personnel were just planting tomato's and those nasty evil war crime commiting, human rights violating war starting Joos came along and tried to starve them to death.

Bastards!!!
FU and your dead horse. You say you want a discussion and you post the dung quoted above. lol
How was an explosive device planted in Gaza a threat to anybody on the Istarli side of the fence?

Is it even a crime ?
If I put arsenic in a sandwich and it gets stolen and eaten am I responsible for the death if it was unintended?
 

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"The violence began Friday when soldiers patrolling the border crossed into Gaza after spotting Palestinians planting explosives near the fence with Israel."
If the explosives were in Gaza and the IDF never goes into Gaza how were they in 'mortal danger' that would require a gun-fight?
What ezaxt statute of the war-crimes act does planting explosives on your own property come under?
(the link)
Israeli troops used bulldozers to "flatten infrastructure used by terrorists to attack soldiers" before the early morning withdrawal, a military spokeswoman said.

So Israel can enter Gaza antime and anywhere and if they are shot at they will bring in dozers (or whatever) so they can't be shot at when in Gaza illegally. lol

Oh, don't be ridiculous.

Of course you can legitimately cross into another's territory to prevent an obvious attack......

Not only that, but you guys continually refer to Gaza as "occupied"........strange occupation, when soldiers have to cross a "border" to deal with threats... :roll: