Sixth Annual Israeli Apartheid Week

Are all human being entitled to fundamental human rights?

  • Yes, all people are entitled to food, clothing, shelter, medicine...

    Votes: 11 64.7%
  • No, only some people are entitled to human rights.

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Palestinians don't qualify as human beings.

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • Total voters
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That was me, first off, I did not say that the Hagannah was using pitchforks, and secondly, you proved nothing. You posted some crap, that was an OpEd piece, that made blanket claims without substantiating them.

The actual history of the war is well documented. Including accounts of civilians lined up carrying pitchforks to defend themselves.

Try and educate yourself for gawds sake.
Then it wasn't you because the post said 'pitchfork' specifically. Smells like a Colpy post.
 

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1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Check what Israel was up against - check both side military assets -
How does this make Israel the underdog?

In 1946 Ben-Gurion decided that the Yishuv would probably have to defend itself against both the Palestinian Arabs and neighbouring Arab states and accordingly began a "massive, covert arms acquisition campaign in the West". By September 1947 the Haganah had "10,489 rifles, 702 light machine-guns, 2,666 submachine guns, 186 medium machine-guns, 672 two-inch mortars and 92 three-inch (76 mm) mortars" and acquired many more during the first few months of hostilities. The Yishuv also had "a relatively advanced arms producing capacity", that between October 1947 and July 1948 "produced 3 million 9 mm bullets, 150,000 Mills grenades, 16,000 submachine guns (Sten Guns) and 210 three-inch (76 mm) mortars",[69] along with a few "Davidka" homemade mortars that were highly inaccurate but had a spectacularly loud explosion that demoralized the enemy. Initially, the Haganah had no heavy machine guns, artillery, armored vehicles, anti-tank or anti-aircraft weapons,[70] nor military aircraft or tanks.[71]
Sources disagree about the amount of arms at the Yishuv's disposal at the end of the Mandate. According to Karsh before the arrival of arms shipments from Czechoslovakia as part of Operation Balak, there was roughly one weapon for every three fighters, and even the Palmach armed only two out of every three of its active members.[72] According to Collins and LaPierre, by April 1948 the Haganah had managed to accumulate only about 20,000 rifles and Sten guns for the 35,000 soldiers who existed on paper.[73] According to Walid Khalidi "the arms at the disposal of these forces were plentiful".[67]

They used those same forces against villagers between Nov '47 and May 48. The declaration of independence include possession of all the land with no compensation due and no right of return. They were committing war-crimes even before they called themselves a Nation (without borders).
 

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Forgive the poor formatting job on my part, should be easy for you to seperate my dribble from your pearls of wisdom.
That's easier done then said.
Where is the proof of the tunnel? You believe there was one because your masters told you there was one.
No I believe there was one, because they have been proven to exist, time and time again. This is where Okkams razor and critical thinking, leave you in the dust.​
The report is only a recommendation that there be a full investigation into events.
Not according to eao, and to some extent yourself. It is being touted as the end all of evidence confirmation.

It will be the Prosecution that lays out all the gory details. Think how much live footage the IDF can supply, barring any fires of unknown origin.
True, which is why no one can, nor will they attempt to actually bring Israel to the ICoC.

The local Arab population was given 'protections' that were never enforced by the ones that gave them the rights,
That just happens to include the 10 countries that voted against UN Resolution 181. In an open society they had the right to appeal that decision made by the 33 countries, without that right it is no different than some events of WWII. We both know the count would have been much higher than 10 if it was an put all the votes into a hat and count where the countries voting choice was known only to them.​
They were also given the option of a state of their own, they declined, thus giving them no voice.

Go look at the list that each side was supposed to live up to. Humanitarian supplies and repair equipment never increased at all in the beginning. Israel's desire was to open it only near the end of the agreement (barring some incident, the Nov 4 false-flag incident was the excuse to keep the gates closed. You should be able to spot worthless agreements, after all you went from thinking they were 'illegal' to accepting them as being the way the ball bounces. That is the way it works, so why all the false hoods that we try and project on everybody that were are against such actions.
Your babbling without context and support.

Like the Banksters they are only against genocide when they are the intended targets.
Now you're babbling nonsense.
The important thing in the video is the 10 steps that are used to destroy a society.​
Which I'm sure is required reading in all Arab grade schools.

I will take that as you taking the 5th. Hamas had the right to fire on the IDF. If there had been a tunnel they would have abandoned the building.
Your incompetent quoting skills aside, why can't you answer the question?

Well no proof was ever offered that there was a tunnel. IDF troops in Gaza was a breech of the cease-fire agreement. Israel was in the wrong place.
Prove it.

The IDF has sufficiently proven that Hamas is continuously breaching the ceasefire.

You are trying to make the tunnel factual. The same claim was made when Rachel was bulldozed into the ground, was any proof of a tunnel ever presented. Not that I know of, the current court case would reveal that I would think.
I don't have to prove there was a tunnel. All I have to do is prove that it was more likely then not, which is the premise of a civil trial. Which of the family will lose. I look forward to all the details. So I can feed them to you and eao, again and again.​
The topic is a tunnel, one that was never proven to even exist in a form greater than words
No, the topic is reality. Time and time again, Isreal has been attacked via tunnels. The evidence is not just substantial, it's concrete. At this point, after the IDF has supplied thousands of documents about tunnels. I need no confirmation as to their existence. Only a fool, those void of critical thought need argue their existence.

You already support Israel doing those crimes by not saying Israel was in violation of the ceasefire agreement by being in Gaza on a night raid in Nov '08.
:lol:

You mean my opinion is showing, you also have a bias.
No I meant your bias. And yes I have a bias. But the facts and reality support my bias.

List the times the IDF asked for that sort of help and were denied it (just from the start of the cease-fire that was agreed on. Newspapers and FOX etc repeatedly use certain adjectives to describe friends and foes. The reports I read said the IDF forces got fired on before they got to their target, one killed and one wounded. They retreated and the IAF levelled the house killing the Hamas members.

I doubt the 200 or so nuclear weapons are for Hamas. lol
Sorry, your incoherent ramble, makes it impossible to address this.

Facts eh, what a crock of dung, what pro Israeli supporter has ever demanded 'proof' from Israel that there was a tunnel in that house that 'raided by aircraft' in nearly Nov 2008.
Why are you fixated on this one tunnel? This only proves my point your knowledge on this subject is at best limited.

It seems only you have an issue with the evidence. Although I have an extensive library of facts on the matter, it took me less then a minute to find out that even the Palestinian Authority community acknowledges the tunnels in question. Further more, the Egyptians also have a program to dismantle tunnels, and have killed Hamas terrorists in the process of doing so. Why aren't the Egyptians in the same spot light as Israel.
Why did that 'fact' never get confirmed, yet you (and others) would spout it as being fact because 'Israel' said so. lol
It has been confirmed, you just keep ignoring the facts. Not to mention, given your common practice of dismissing or ignoring anything of fact posted to you, is there a point in doing so?
Since you know only what I let you know about me the above must be a confession from your own heart.
And what little I know of you, is enough to determine my assertion.

Look back to when you grudgingly accepted your current reality, all those prior high ideals, poof. Reality has to start with the shedding of belief in a lie.
Hence why you revel in the surreal and fantasy.

The best physical manifestation of that in physical form is commonly referred to as 'then my stomach fell'.
If you say so.
My arguments concerning the conduct of the Jews in Palestine goes back to events starting in Nov, 1947.
You've gone back further, lol.

Why not start at least that far back when war crimes is the topic.
Sure, then we can bring into evidence the Nazism you and eao turn a blind eye to.

Operation cast lead was the largest death toll from a single operation, the goal of that operation was to have the world accept that Israel can slaughter 1400 people and not be held accountable for it being a crime, be it humanitarian of illegal use of military forces.
And as you so carefully ignored, I have already proven that to be false.

Their largest operation prior to that was the same style of operation but with Lebanon being the target. Their largest supported for those events (and all others really) is the US, a Nation who has killed over 1 million civilians in two military actions. One clearly based on lies that were known to be lies before the invasion even started.
That's great, I'm not talking about Iraq and the US.
That hasn't made any difference, the American people aren't doing anything to halt their own illegal activities nor will they ever actually interfere with the Jews killing Palestinians. They both use the same methods, disarm the prey through political clout, pen the citizens up and kill a lot of them as an example to the rest. Then go about killing the rest at a rate that the international community can stomach.
:lol:

Besides the fact that Palestinians can leave their so called ghetto's at anytime. Proves that to be false. They have chosen and been exploited to stay where they are by and large by the Arab community.
 
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What critical thought have you exhibited, you believe them about a tunnel without any proof.
There is proof, you're the one that ignores it. Preferring to live in fantasy. No one disputes or is fixated on this but you. The evidence is so surmountable that at no time has anyone in the international community questioned it, opponents or otherwise. Even you beloved wiki accepts that they exist, and makes no question of the existence of a tunnel in Nasrallah's home.

Fact is they were in violation of their agreement when they entered Gaza, at night of all times.
The fact is, you're wrong, lol.

Nov4, 2008, evidence of a tunnel, you believe only in the verifiable truth, which you always have so produce that one speck of it.
I know I haven't, only in your mind though.

If the IDF had to plan for 2 years for the blitzkreig on Egypt then i doubt very much that they could come up with the 12,000 targets in Gaza in less than 2 months. That would include false-flag operations.
More proof of your paranoid delusions.

Then it wasn't you because the post said 'pitchfork' specifically. Smells like a Colpy post.
No it was me, and I know exactly what I said. Your tenuous grip on reality, is limiting to your cognitive skills. Which is ultimately the reason for your confusion.
 
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" A complete lie. Given that not only was raw material for food production never stopped, Israel shipped some 14,000lbs of aid/day into Gaza. That is a UN figure, not an Israeli one."
For a population of 1.55 million people that works out to about 0.14 ounces of food per day per person. Israel probably throws out more food per day than that.
 

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" A complete lie. Given that not only was raw material for food production never stopped, Israel shipped some 14,000lbs of aid/day into Gaza. That is a UN figure, not an Israeli one."
For a population of 1.55 million people that works out to about 0.14 ounces of food per day per person. Israel probably throws out more food per day than that.
Irrelevant, the claim was Israel denied Palestinians of food. The facts state otherwise, by the UN's own records.
 

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No I believe there was one, because they have been proven to exist, time and time again. This is where Okkams razor and critical thinking, leave you in the dust.​
Not according to eao, and to some extent yourself. It is being touted as the end all of evidence confirmation.​

Well if Israel is using that as a reason for operation cast lead then proof should be in order. You believe what you are told to believe.

True, which is why no one can, nor will they attempt to actually bring Israel to the ICoC.
We'll see.

They were also given the option of a state of their own, they declined, thus giving them no voice.
Having 33 countries back Israel is what gave them no voice.

Your babbling without context and support.​

There must be a nice graph out there somewhere that shows the tonnage allowed into Gaza during '08

Now you're babbling nonsense.
Killing people in large numbers doesn't seem to bother many Israelis as long as it is them doing the killing.

Which I'm sure is required reading in all Arab grade schools.
What a clueless answer. lol
Why that what Germany did and that is also happening in America. Israel is shooting fish in a barrel.

Your incompetent quoting skills aside, why can't you answer the question?

I already apologized for the format, there was no question for me to answer. lol

Prove it.​

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Hamas is to blame for ending the cease-fire and Israel’s actions are in self-defense.
The three conditions for the June 2008 ceasefire were that (1) Israel would drastically reduce its military blockade of Gaza, (2) Israel would halt all military incursions into Gaza and, (3) Hamas would halt all rocket attacks into Israel.
From the outset of the cease-fire, Israel did little to ease its military blockade. As a result, Gazans continued to suffer from a lack of food, fuel, financial aid, electricity, clean water, medical supplies and more. The United Nations warned that Gaza would face “catastrophe” if the blockade were not lifted. The Israeli government maintained that the blockade was necessary to stop rocket attacks. However, as the Canadian Globe and Mail newspaper reports, Hamas had ceased launching rockets into Israel during the cease-fire and even arrested members of militant groups who did fire a handful of rockets.
Despite the intense blockade against Gazan civilians, the cease-fire held until Nov. 4. On that date, Haaretz reports, it was the Israeli military that made an incursion into Gaza and killed six Palestinians. The Israeli government sought to justify these actions, saying that these Palestinians were suspected of plotting to kidnap Israeli soldiers. Predictably, militants responded to the attack by launching rockets into Israel. Thus began the unraveling of the cease-fire.


The IDF has sufficiently proven that Hamas is continuously breaching the ceasefire.
Liar

I don't have to prove there was a tunnel. All I have to do is prove that it was more likely then not, which is the premise of a civil trial. Which of the family will lose. I look forward to all the details. So I can feed them to you and eao, again and again.​

Face it, you couldn't prove it to a judge.

No, the topic is reality. Time and time again, Isreal has been attacked via tunnels. The evidence is not just substantial, it's concrete. At this point, after the IDF has supplied thousands of documents about tunnels. I need to confirmation as to their existence. Only a fool those void of critical thought need argue their existence.​

Prove that tunnel existed, you can't or you would have.

No I meant your bias. And yes I have a bias. But the facts and reality support my bias.​

Your belief in a tunnel is not a fact, deal with it.

Why are you fixated on this one tunnel? This only proves my point your knowledge on this subject is at best limited.​

Because that one tunnel was the excuse for launching operation cast lead.

It seems only you have an issue with the evidence. Although I have an extensive library of facts on the matter, it took me less then a minute to find out that even the Palestinian Authority community acknowledges the tunnels in question. Further more, the Egyptians also have a program to dismantle tunnels, and have killed Hamas terrorists in the process of doing so. Why aren't the Egyptians in the same spot light as Israel.
Why should they have to smuggle anything in, they have (should have) international waters that should not be subject to any blockade.

It has been confirmed, you just keep ignoring the facts. Not to mention, given your common practice of dismissing or ignoring anything of fact posted to you, is there a point in doing so?
Another lie, no proof has ever been published that the tunnel existed.

And what little I know of you, is enough to determine my assertion.​

In your own mind. lol

Hence why you revel in the surreal and fantasy.
Only when I have to read your posts.

If you say so.
lol

You've gone back further, lol.
That because the creation of a Jewish homeland was first cooked up back in the 1880's

Sure, then we can bring into evidence the Nazism you and eao turn a blind eye to.
Who is 'we'?

And as you so carefully ignored, I have already proven that to be false.
Your little opinion piece relies only on what others have said. lol

That's great, I'm not talking about Iraq and the US.:lol:
There are a lot of subjects you shouldn't talk about.

Besides the fact that Palestinians can leave their so called ghetto's at anytime. Proves that to be false. They have chosen and been exploited to stay where they are by and large by the Arab community.
Why would they want to give up their home? Just because you turned your back on yours doesn't mean everybody is like you..
 

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I dont want to regret coming inot this conversation but i want to ask this to see if it checks out..

I hear the arab nations that house the refugees from palistine keep them in ghettos and refuse them citizenship in those countries, and keep them out of school. They pretty much leave them bumbing around in the dirt.

I hear they do this in order to protect thier the palistinian culture they have....
 

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Irrelevant, the claim was Israel denied Palestinians of food. The facts state otherwise, by the UN's own records.
Irrelevent? Who says no aid was allowed in, I suspect you are promoting another thing that has no factual basis. Do you have a limit on the number oof lies you can tell a day?How much was it before if that is what they allowed in as part of fulfilling their agreement?
 

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I dont want to regret coming inot this conversation but i want to ask this to see if it checks out..

I hear the arab nations that house the refugees from palistine keep them in ghettos and refuse them citizenship in those countries, and keep them out of school. They pretty much leave them bumbing around in the dirt.

I hear they do this in order to protect thier the palistinian culture they have....

Thats what and why they say they are doing it. No one picks on them though. :smile:
 

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Well if Israel is using that as a reason for operation cast lead then proof should be in order. You believe what you are told to believe.​
It wasn't the reason for Cast Lead. That's just what you believe because you are complete misinformed.

We'll see.
Please hold your breath.

Having 33 countries back Israel is what gave them no voice.
Umm, no, they had the opportunity to have their own state, They chose not to.

There must be a nice graph out there somewhere that shows the tonnage allowed into Gaza during '08
I'm sure there is, try the UN website. That's where I get much of my data. If you're looking to me to hold your hand, again, please hold your breath.

Killing people in large numbers doesn't seem to bother many Israelis as long as it is them doing the killing.
1444 people is not a large number. It shows amazing restraint for an operation the size of Cast Lead. If you weren't so buggered, you'ld be able to grasp that.


Why that what Germany did and that is also happening in America. Israel is shooting fish in a barrel.
To quote you.
What a clueless answer. lol
Yes it is.

I already apologized for the format, there was no question for me to answer. lol
Again showing your limited cognitive and comprehension skills.



MYTH # 2
Hamas is to blame for ending the cease-fire and Israel’s actions are in self-defense.
The three conditions for the June 2008 ceasefire were that (1) Israel would drastically reduce its military blockade of Gaza, (2) Israel would halt all military incursions into Gaza and, (3) Hamas would halt all rocket attacks into Israel.
From the outset of the cease-fire, Israel did little to ease its military blockade. As a result, Gazans continued to suffer from a lack of food, fuel, financial aid, electricity, clean water, medical supplies and more. The United Nations warned that Gaza would face “catastrophe” if the blockade were not lifted. The Israeli government maintained that the blockade was necessary to stop rocket attacks. However, as the Canadian Globe and Mail newspaper reports, Hamas had ceased launching rockets into Israel during the cease-fire and even arrested members of militant groups who did fire a handful of rockets.
Despite the intense blockade against Gazan civilians, the cease-fire held until Nov. 4. On that date, Haaretz reports, it was the Israeli military that made an incursion into Gaza and killed six Palestinians. The Israeli government sought to justify these actions, saying that these Palestinians were suspected of plotting to kidnap Israeli soldiers. Predictably, militants responded to the attack by launching rockets into Israel. Thus began the unraveling of the cease-fire.
:roll:

Which of course is irrelevant when you take into account that Khaled Meshaal's comments and inaction.

:lol:


Face it, you couldn't prove it to a judge.
Not even ISM disputes the tunnels.


Prove that tunnel existed, you can't or you would have.
I have posted this no less then 3 times to you since you first brought up tunnels.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/GazaOperationInvestigations.pdf

Your belief in a tunnel is not a fact, deal with it.
Your fixation, does not an issue make.


Because that one tunnel was the excuse for launching operation cast lead.
No it wasn't. Thanx again for proving you haven't clue one what you're talking about.

Why should they have to smuggle anything in, they have (should have) international waters that should not be subject to any blockade.
:lol:

Another lie, no proof has ever been published that the tunnel existed.
Which tunnel, the one the media likes to reference in regards to Corrie, or the one you seem to think started Cast Lead?

In your own mind. lol
Well yes, for most of us, this is where critical thought takes place. Which is why you wouldn't understand this.

Only when I have to read your posts.
As I said, because you need to come up with fantasy to bolster your position. Thanx for agreeing...;-)

That because the creation of a Jewish homeland was first cooked up back in the 1880's
So?

Who is 'we'?
I have a mouse in my pocket.

Your little opinion piece relies only on what others have said. lol
I know you're projecting, because if that was just merely an opinion, you should have been able to refute it. You didn't, you haven;t, and you can't, so you dismiss it as an OpEd piece to remove the onus from yourself.
There are a lot of subjects you shouldn't talk about.
I know you would like me to be silent. That's how your side works.

Why would they want to give up their home? Just because you turned your back on yours doesn't mean everybody is like you..
LMAO!!!

I turned my back on mine? Please provide proof.

I dont want to regret coming inot this conversation but i want to ask this to see if it checks out..

I hear the arab nations that house the refugees from palistine keep them in ghettos and refuse them citizenship in those countries, and keep them out of school. They pretty much leave them bumbing around in the dirt.

I hear they do this in order to protect thier the palistinian culture they have....
Yep, this is true.

Irrelevent? Who says no aid was allowed in, I suspect you are promoting another thing that has no factual basis.
The Goldstone report stated that Israel denied aid and food to the Palestinians. Which of course is in contradiction to the UN's own accounts.

Do you have a limit on the number oof lies you can tell a day?
No, I don't make it up or use someone elses made up crap. You're free to post evidence that you think refutes mine. I have yet to see anything of any substance.

How much was it before if that is what they allowed in as part of fulfilling their agreement?
Look it up on the UN website. I want to see if you can actually do any of your own research.
 
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Actually the Myth of a Jewish homeland in the region was set up in the 1840's.

This was about the same time as the Myth of an Arab homeland in the region.

Funny how Ottoman(Turkish) Rule does that. The British mandate that set up the current division? Helped to be enacted by the Arab muslims (and christians) in the region, I would suggest you become familiar with the famous Lawrence of Arabia.

I should also note that East Jeruslam is not part of Palestine, nor is it part of Israel. It is part of Jerusalem. Palestine/Jordan illegally occupied it for 20 years before Israel illegally took it from them. Now they demand it back for peace, the problem being its not theirs to take back and not Israel's to give.

Jordan claimed the right to annex East Jerusalem unilaterally in the 40's and base their claim on that. Israel claimed the right to annex it unilaterally in the 60's and bases their claim on that.

Hard sell to claim Jordan can annex but Israel can't. Its either Israels (and annexing is somehow ok) or it's its own occupied state (Jerusalem) and Palestine not only can forget owning it but can pay compensation to Jerusalem (along with Israel) for illegal occupation.
 

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Irrelevent? Who says no aid was allowed in, I suspect you are promoting another thing that has no factual basis. Do you have a limit on the number oof lies you can tell a day?How much was it before if that is what they allowed in as part of fulfilling their agreement?
MHZ
Would you agree that Israel is held to a higher standard than Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria because of its democratic values. And it being more sbject to external world pressure - From the US - Eu - ?
 

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Would you agree that Israel is held to a higher standard than Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria because of its democratic values. And it being more sbject to external world pressure - From the US - Eu - ?

What pressure would that be, far as I know Israel is under no sanctions, boycotts, embargoes, or blockades of any sort from any Nation despite the many UN resolutions that have popped up over the last 60 years?

It would seem that the world will let them stoop quite low when civilian deaths are concerned.
 

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What pressure would that be, far as I know Israel is under no sanctions, boycotts, embargoes, or blockades of any sort from any Nation despite the many UN resolutions that have popped up over the last 60 years?

It would seem that the world will let them stoop quite low when civilian deaths are concerned.
Then I presume you do not get out much - do not read papers - listen to the news -
 

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Then I presume you do not get out much - do not read papers - listen to the news -
Why would I have to go out to read the paper or watch the news?

I notice none of my list has any names attached to it., do they exist or not?
 

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Bear I thought in a some thread we were on that you mentioned you lost some respect/faith (something similar) with the Native leaders because they had become as corrupt as the their conquerors are. The same corruption they adopted is the same thing that is happening to a different people these days.
The only point worth bringing forward is the 'build-up' to cast lead. Israel says it is because of the last 8 years and the 12,000 rockets and other acts like suicide bombers.
How many complaints did Israel make to the UN during that time? Some incidents were costly in civilian lives. Israel wasn't sitting back for even an 'attack' that didn't claim any lives. Nor were the current 'leaders' in power for that whole period of time.
To use that earlier date as the 'base' then any step to a true cease-fire in the months prior was made in bad faith. While signing cease-fire documents the war room was putting the final touches on operation cast lead. The false-flag tunnel incident was done with the intention off seeing an increase in rocket attacks.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/GazaOperationInvestigations.pdf

Once the above is added to Israel's original report they cover quite a bit of the complaints. This next link covers some of the complaints that have been 'shelved'.
A/64/651 of 4 February 2010
The only one I had reservations about is the flour mill. If Israel had control of the compound for 3 days they could have put the shell casings on the roof.
The reason they gave for not using the roof was because it 'would make them easy targets' seems a bit much in that they targeted the building because they said there were snipers there. With close air support (gunships) anybody on the roof during the rifle-fire portion would have been sitting ducks from. The ruling that it could be used for snipers means anything that would be high-ground is a valid target. Buildings (the flour-mill) wasn't the high ground, the helicopters and drones of Israel was the high-ground. I'm quite sure they make tank shells that are designed to start fires rather than scatter the building across the landscape. If the bomb that was 'found' there was not meant for there the serial # should be able to be tied to another target.

Even with the Israeli update there are quite some incidents that are still not settled and the vote indicated the investigations continue.

Vote on Follow-up to Report on Gaza ConflictThe draft resolution on the Follow-up to the report of the United Nations Fact-Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict (document A/64/L.48) was adopted by a recorded vote of 98 in favour to 7 against, with 31 abstentions, as follows:

  • In favour: Algeria, Andorra, Argentina, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Belize, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, Chile, China, Congo, Costa Rica, Cuba, Cyprus, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Denmark, Djibouti, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Estonia, Finland, France, Gabon, Greece, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Libya, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Madagascar, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Monaco, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Nepal, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Portugal, Qatar, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Singapore, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, Uruguay, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zimbabwe.

  • Against: Canada, Israel, Micronesia (Federated States of), Nauru, Panama, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, United States.

  • Abstain: Albania, Australia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Colombia, Côte d’Ivoire, Croatia, Czech Republic, Georgia, Germany, Guatemala, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Liberia, Lithuania, Mexico, Montenegro, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, Poland, Republic of Korea, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Russian Federation, Samoa, San Marino, Slovakia, Ukraine.

  • Absent: Afghanistan, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Bahamas, Barbados, Benin, Bhutan, Botswana, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Fiji, Gambia, Ghana, Grenada, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Kiribati, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Lesotho, Malawi, Marshall Islands, Myanmar, Namibia, Palau, Philippines, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Sao Tome and Principe, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Suriname, Swaziland, Timor-Leste, Togo, Tonga, Tuvalu, United Republic of Tanzania, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Zambia.
 

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300,000 dead in the Sudan.....and these people want to boycott Israel......

Right.

And it is not that they hate Jews.

Right.